Lead us not into translations: Pope thinks Lord’s Prayer could be improved

[other one]

3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The Bible is 100% inerrant.  Do you reject the doctrine of inerrancy?

the original Bible is inerrant.....   our English translations are not if you are speaking of every single word or they would all say the exact same thing.

[Justmemyselfandi]

6 minutes ago, other one said:

I think i'll just not comment on that.

 

I wasn't making out that you lacked courage. I was saying the way I feel about the world around us.

[Justmemyselfandi]

Just now, other one said:

the original Bible is inerrant.....   our English translations are not if you are speaking of every single word.

Have you ever seen the Original Bible? I put it to you this way. I hav3e faith that the scribes that compiled the Bible were influence by the same Holy Spirit  that to later translators had . I don't think God would allow any of his Bibles to have any changes what-so-ever.

[Justmemyselfandi]

I just read up on the current Pope. He is a Jesuit

 

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Jesuit, member of the Society of Jesus (S.J.), a Roman Catholic order of religious men founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola, noted for its educational, missionary, and charitable works, once regarded by many as the principal agent of the Counter-Reformation, and later a leading force in modernizing the church.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, other one said:

the original Bible is inerrant.....   our English translations are not if you are speaking of every single word or they would all say the exact same thing.

Wrong.   You are confusing the doctrine of inspiration with the doctrine of inerrancy.  Inspiration only applies to the original.  

Inerrancy means that if the Bible says it happened, it happened.   That means that the doctrine of inerrancy applies even to copies, as does the doctrine of  infallibility and the doctrine of immutability.  

[notsolostsoul]

1 hour ago, Justmemyselfandi said:

I don't think God would allow any of his Bibles to have any changes what-so-ever.

God might not, but the Devil sure will. Man, all Man/Men are fallible.

The words mean nothing without the Spirit. It doesn't matter the words spoken/written. Devil can use scripture whether rewritten or as written. The Spirit is what will reveal the truth of God's Word.

(Meant to be read in whole, not picked apart, pick it apart and it loses its context)

God no matter how a verse or saying is phrased will through The Spirit make known God's direction.

[TheMatrixHasU71]

13 hours ago, Justmemyselfandi said:

“do not let us fall into temptation”

But that us what "Lead us not...." really means. Anybody should be able to see that

[other one]

45 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Wrong.   You are confusing the doctrine of inspiration with the doctrine of inerrancy.  Inspiration only applies to the original.  

Inerrancy means that if the Bible says it happened, it happened.   That means that the doctrine of inerrancy applies even to copies, as does the doctrine of  infallibility and the doctrine of immutability.  

Well oddly enough the Lord's prayer has us asking The Father not to lead us into temptation...   people can twist that around to mean whatever, but that is what it says.  I cant imagine The Father doing that and the other scripture says flatly that He doesnt.  Make of that what you will.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, other one said:

Well oddly enough the Lord's prayer has us asking The Father not to lead us into temptation...   people can twist that around to mean whatever, but that is what it says.  I cant imagine The Father doing that and the other scripture says flatly that He doesnt.  Make of that what you will.

It doesn't imply that God leads people into temptation.  Temptation isn't referring to being tempted to sin.  The whole sentence says, "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.  "Temptation" often times, in the Bible refers to trials and adversity, attacks from the enemy.  It is a sentence asking God to preserve from harm and from evil.  It doesn't mean we won't face those things, but that God will preserve us in them and through them.

Edited December 8, 2017 by shiloh357

[frienduff thaylorde]

8 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Get over it was not the option in 1955 when the township and the school systems were at battle over this issue of tremendous import at Massachusetts anyway. I still remember my home room teacher standing and demanding that we now change the way we pray each day at school because it had been decided we must change our official way of saying a prayer. One that most of us had no problem parroting regardless for it was just the daily parroting of things  we had to do. The only kid who wouldn't was a Jehovah's Witness. He took heat every morning for not standing for the pledge prayer and anthem. If one is not reciting the prayer in Aramaic God doesn't listen anyway. So what variables one wishes to make in English  is a vain argument don't you think?

PS there are several "Aramaic Only" videos for you on the internet. 

Its not this particular thing that bothers me about this pope .   Its what he does and stands for that should make us groan deep in the spirit .