What did Jesus mean by "those days should be shortened...?"

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Their is something that many miss.    What is the great city.   Where is it located.    a hint.     Where also our LORD was crucified.

so, its not coinincidence that while the catholic church is leading in the all inclusive,   Its hard core in Jerusalem.

Many are seeing the jews as the answer and looking to them,   WHEN they have forgotten something .   JESUS told the jews, THE FLESH PROFITS nothing

YE must be born again .     Oh dear sister, I see a big delusion coming .  and centered n jerusalme IT WILL BE.

and the men like haggie and others who trumpted Israel of the flesh as the answer , are doomed to the solution that Israel after the flesh WILL PROVIDE.

you see,  they think MESSIAH is coming to set up world peace.    interfaith too is heavy on this world peace and unity.

THEY being led to see the anti messiah AS MESSIAH .   this wont be stopped.  We in the last days. 

But no need to fear a thing .    Many will die , but whether we live or die WE ARE THE LORDS.   

the flesh profits nothing .   Don't matter if you born a jew or a gentile ,   all are in darkness , UNLESS they have CHRIST .  ALL I repeat ALL

who knows NOT CHRIST are deceived and doomed to perdition , lest they repent and believe in Christ .   

Yet, there are many that imagine the promise behind the vision of the valley of bones is done and over with: finished  and never to come to pass. I disagree. Israel is back and is a nation once again. ONLY GOD could accomplish that.  They have won all the wars since 1948. ONLY GOD could cause such a thing.  And somewhere inside that nation, and their blood brothers and sisters around the world, WILL BE those that survive all that is coming, and end up in the Millennial kingdom of Christ.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Giller said:

Yes these statements are true, and no no one is perfect, but how much are we truly walking in this, and how much do we let the cross expose us?

Most of what is called church are truly not walking in this, it is more than just proclaiming some truths of the bible, it is walking in it, more and more.

It has got to be a living word, and not a dead word, we have to let the truths of the bible change us, and not be a so-called just that looks like the world.

Many mention the cross and the resurrection, but do not truly walk in it, or truly proclaim it in a proper way.

 

And john had the answer to that .  He who says he knows GOD yet walks in darkness is a LIAR and the truth is not in him.

But most would never say that today.     Its you don't know their heart , Stop judging , stop hating ,

No, JESUS is no liar , men are , NOT HIM.  and HE said we sure can know a tree by its fruits.     are we going to believe JESUS or Sigmund fraud physcology.

Me,   JESUS ONLY.    False ones are easy to spot and right quick too.  right quick.

They never receive correction , they keep on justifying their pet sin.    THESE are FALSE .  PEROID , PEROID , PEROID.

hour by hour , day by day , week by week , month by month , year by year, they teach the same lies that allow us to twist JESUS sayings .  THESE are FALSE .

PEROID.     Be blessed giller.   be blessed.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Yet, there are many that imagine the promise behind the vision of the valley of bones is done and over with: finished  and never to come to pass. I disagree. Israel is back and is a nation once again. ONLY GOD could accomplish that.  They have won all the wars since 1948. ONLY GOD could cause such a thing.  And somewhere inside that nation, and their blood brothers and sisters around the world, WILL BE those that survive all that is coming, and end up in the Millennial kingdom of Christ.

If GOD were done with the jews its like paul said...................he would have had no hope.   HE aint .   PREACH the gospel to them.   if they or anyone for that matter

receives it not , they damned to perdition.     Damned to perdition.      Damned to perdition.

But if any jew or gentile receives the gospel and follows Christ ,    Eternal life ,   eternal life ,  eternal life .

May this sink so deep into the hearts and minds of all that read it ,    at any autospsy it could be seen etched in their hearts and minds .    YEAH its that serious.

and I promise ,  I promise if any man , woman ever tells a jew they don't need JESUS ,   THEY BLOOD IS ON YOU. and you will see perdition too. 

THAT SEROIUS .    SO say it with me three times.    JESUS ONLY SAVES and only JESUS saves .    whatever order you say it makes no difference .   JUST say it with me.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

"The Church"  as I stated, does not mean all who call themselves Christian! It means the true body of Christ. And again I say, much of the true body of Christ are not so far off in their end time doctrine. Untold millions are watching for His coming. 

Just remember if any says the Christ or messiah is here in Jerusalem and preaching world peace.  HEED THEM NOT

IF any says JESUS , allah and moses are dancing under the temple for world unity and peace,  HEED THEM NOT.

IF any jew says LOOK its messiah , BELIEVE THEM NOT

if any gentile says look He is here and stands for world peace  , HEED THEM NOT

this will be the anti messiah , son of perdtion , beast .    And the whole world is being prepared to worship him under interfaith all inclusive .

THUS if any says Hey lets put down doctrines that divide and focus on unity.  HEED THEM NOT

if they say hey lets hug them to JESUS , GOD IS LOVE , don't worry bout doctrine .  HEED THEM NOT , they under this spell , the spell that leadeth to the beast .

[Dennis1209]

I can only think of two possibilities. The first being that if the tribulation lasted more than seven years, there would be no one left due to all the disease, destruction, pestilence, plagues, nuclear fallout etc. This is the most logical and the one I favor. 

The second being a possibility in the link below I had never heard of or though about before. The article is about five pages long but sure gives a person something to chew on and ponder. 

Rapture Ready   raptureready.com/2017/11/19/days-shall-shortened-ronda-lane

Edited January 14, 2018 by Dennis1209

[ScottA]

On 1/13/2018 at 8:55 AM, iamlamad said:

Matthew 24:22

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

What did Jesus mean?  First, what are "those days?"

 

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

²² And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Many people imagine that Jesus put a TITLE on the last half of the week, titling it "The Great Tribulation." No, there is no such title for the last half of the week. In Jesus' own words, there will be "those days" of "great tribulation." 

What will cause "those days" of GT?

John tells us: there will be an image erected, as Nebuchadnezzar did, and the Beast will force all to worship this image or be put to death. 

Next, there will be a mark established, and all must receive this mark, or be put to death.  All will know, (whether they believe it or not) that to take the mark will doom them to the lake of fire. NO ONE will be able to buy or sell without the mark. Drinkable or safe water will become very hard to find. The only safe water will be in stores. But without the mark, no safe water to drink. Therefore, hunger and thirst will become intolerable and people may take the mark just to get a drink of water. 

In other words, GREAT PRESSURE will be put on people to take this mark. 

How long will "those days" of GT last?

First, when will "those days" begin? If we follow along with John's narrative in Revelation, we see the warning not to take the mark is in Rev. 14. And in chapter 15, we see the beheaded people begin to show up in heaven. Therefore the days of great tribulation will begin sometime between chapters 14 and 15. However, this is not to say hard times won't come before. The Beast will begin his attack on believers shortly after the midpoint. As John shows us, the False Prophet or second beast does not show up at the midpoint, but some unknown time later. It is the False prophet that convinces the people to erect this image to the Beast. So the image itself will come some unknown time after the midpoint of the week.  It is also this False Prophet that creates this mark without which no one can buy or sell. 

How long into the second half of the week will the image and mark be created? No one knows. John did not tell us.

HOW will God "shorten" "those days" of "great tribulation?"  When the murdering of the saints gets to a peak, God will begin pouring out the vials of His wrath, which will "shorten" those days of GT. In other words, after a few of these vials, there will be no one in the Beast's armies hunting down believers or beheading them. These vials of wrath will bring the Beast's operations to a HALT. Thus, the days of GT that could be, will not be. The beast will still have his 42 months of authority, but will be rendered helpless by the vials of wrath and associated plagues. 

Therefore, no one really knows how many days will be included in "those days." It is an unknown. All we can know is, the Beast, the False Prophet, and their armies will be rendered almost helpless as it relates to hunting down believers and beheading them. 

It will be the number of days that gets shortened. The 70th week will not be shortened, or will the Beast's 42 months get shortened. 

Your comments are all speculation...

He meant..."those days will be shortened." 

How about the rest of your questions?

1. "What will cause "those days" of GT?"

Jesus tells us... "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place." ...Which is the condemnation of Christ unto death. Which means "those days" were "those days."

2. "How long will those days last?" 

Jesus said, "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." It was that generation which He called "evil." Just as He also said, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" That is why it was shortened, even among the chosen, one was a devil. The next generation would have been worse: "A little leaven leaven the whole lump."

3. "How long into the second half of the week will the image and the mark be created?"

The "beast" is the manifestation of, the "image" of God...in the flesh. This is "the man of sin." But you say "the second half of the week" because you do not understand. This is the meaning of "a time, times, and half a time." Which is: All time, the times of Israel and the times of the gentiles, and those times divide." Meaning, all time is divided just as "the evening and the morning" since the beginning, into darkness and light - theses are the days of judgement, and we are "witnesses against ourselves."

 

Edited January 15, 2018 by ScottA

[Sister]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Readers, this is only human reasoning. Rev. 13 tells us what will cause those days of great tribulation, meaning, great pressure being put upon people. You are mistaken. The "war" as you call it, at the 6th trumpet will be an angelic war. And it will come before the days of great tribulation Jesus spoke of.  You are trying to mix Rev. 16, the vials, with Rev. 9, the trumpets. The trumpet judgments will be FINISHED by the time God begins pouring out the vials of His wrath.

iamlamad

The trumpets and the vials correlate.  They are the same.  The angel blows the trumpet, then pours out the vial.  What is contained in the vials is God's wrath that he is pouring out on the nations,...There are only 7 angels, not 14.

The 7th trumpet comes after the 6th.  The 7th trumpet is the finale, the last trump.  The 7th vial is also the finale. 

The 4 angels who are bound in the River Euphrates, are let out to gather all men for this war.  They are the ones who are stirring up the nations starting with the Medes. 

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

  Revelation 9:19   For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
 

This is describing weapons of warfare.  Military power.  War machines made with man's hands.

 

 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Sister said:

iamlamad

The trumpets and the vials correlate.  They are the same.  The angel blows the trumpet, then pours out the vial.  What is contained in the vials is God's wrath that he is pouring out on the nations,...There are only 7 angels, not 14. [/quote]

The 7th trumpet comes after the 6th.  The 7th trumpet is the finale, the last trump.  The 7th vial is also the finale. 

The 4 angels who are bound in the River Euphrates, are let out to gather all men for this war.  They are the ones who are stirring up the nations starting with the Medes. 

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

  Revelation 9:19   For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
 

This is describing weapons of warfare.  Military power.  War machines made with man's hands.

 

 

Can you show us a verse saying that the seven angels with the seven vials are the same 7 angels that had the trumpets? I cannot find such a verse. Therefore chances are very good that the vial angels are 7 different angels. Yes, there is a little correlation: where at the trumpets there is one third destruction, in the vials it is complete destruction. So there is a little correlation.

I will agree, the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet, but it is certainly not the last vial. These are two different kinds of judgments. In fact, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week, and the first vial comes much later in the week. You have ignored TIMING.

I agree, there are four angels that have been waiting for an exact moment in time, to do what they are called to do. That is to release, or perhaps guide this 2oo million angel army, all riding very strange horses.  Notice this verse:

²⁰ And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

There: you see? This attack is finished in this verse. It is over and done with before the midpoint of the week. These are angels and they will accomplish killing 1/3 of the human race very quickly. I don't agree with you that these are man man weapons. Some think John was describing helicopters. There are not that many helicopters in the world! But whoever or whatever they are, they are finished by verse 20. 

Edited January 15, 2018 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, ScottA said:

Your comments are all speculation...

He meant..."those days will be shortened." 

How about the rest of your questions?

1. "What will cause "those days" of GT?"

Jesus tells us... "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place." ...Which is the condemnation of Christ unto death. Which means "those days" were "those days."

2. "How long will those days last?" 

Jesus said, "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." It was that generation which He called "evil." Just as He also said, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" That is why it was shortened, even among the chosen, one was a devil. The next generation would have been worse: "A little leaven leaven the whole lump."

3. "How long into the second half of the week will the image and the mark be created?"

The "beast" is the manifestation of, the "image" of God...in the flesh. This is "the man of sin." But you say "the second half of the week" because you do not understand. This is the meaning of "a time, times, and half a time." Which is: All time, the times of Israel and the times of the gentiles, and those times divide." Meaning, all time is divided just as "the evening and the morning" since the beginning, into darkness and light - theses are the days of judgement, and we are "witnesses against ourselves."

 

Your theories are myth. Sorry to be so blunt. No one has ever pointed to events in the past and aligned them with the 7 trumpet judgments or the vial judgments. Why is that? Because these are FUTURE events. Perhaps you should do a study on this word: FUTURE. It is not a bad word. 

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Just remember if any says the Christ or messiah is here in Jerusalem and preaching world peace.  HEED THEM NOT

IF any says JESUS , allah and moses are dancing under the temple for world unity and peace,  HEED THEM NOT.

IF any jew says LOOK its messiah , BELIEVE THEM NOT

if any gentile says look He is here and stands for world peace  , HEED THEM NOT

this will be the anti messiah , son of perdtion , beast .    And the whole world is being prepared to worship him under interfaith all inclusive .

THUS if any says Hey lets put down doctrines that divide and focus on unity.  HEED THEM NOT

if they say hey lets hug them to JESUS , GOD IS LOVE , don't worry bout doctrine .  HEED THEM NOT , they under this spell , the spell that leadeth to the beast .

There is not going to be world peace until Jesus comes and enforces peace! Good post!