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And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
What did Jesus mean?  First, what are "those days?"
 

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Many people imagine that Jesus put a TITLE on the last half of the week, titling it "The Great Tribulation." No, there is no such title for the last half of the week. In Jesus' own words, there will be "those days" of "great tribulation." 

What will cause "those days" of GT?

John tells us: there will be an image erected, as Nebuchadnezzar did, and the Beast will force all to worship this image or be put to death. 

Next, there will be a mark established, and all must receive this mark, or be put to death.  All will know, (whether they believe it or not) that to take the mark will doom them to the lake of fire. NO ONE will be able to buy or sell without the mark. Drinkable or safe water will become very hard to find. The only safe water will be in stores. But without the mark, no safe water to drink. Therefore, hunger and thirst will become intolerable and people may take the mark just to get a drink of water. 

In other words, GREAT PRESSURE will be put on people to take this mark. 

How long will "those days" of GT last?

First, when will "those days" begin? If we follow along with John's narrative in Revelation, we see the warning not to take the mark is in Rev. 14. And in chapter 15, we see the beheaded people begin to show up in heaven. Therefore the days of great tribulation will begin sometime between chapters 14 and 15. However, this is not to say hard times won't come before. The Beast will begin his attack on believers shortly after the midpoint. As John shows us, the False Prophet or second beast does not show up at the midpoint, but some unknown time later. It is the False prophet that convinces the people to erect this image to the Beast. So the image itself will come some unknown time after the midpoint of the week.  It is also this False Prophet that creates this mark without which no one can buy or sell. 

How long into the second half of the week will the image and mark be created? No one knows. John did not tell us.

HOW will God "shorten" "those days" of "great tribulation?"  When the murdering of the saints gets to a peak, God will begin pouring out the vials of His wrath, which will "shorten" those days of GT. In other words, after a few of these vials, there will be no one in the Beast's armies hunting down believers or beheading them. These vials of wrath will bring the Beast's operations to a HALT. Thus, the days of GT that could be, will not be. The beast will still have his 42 months of authority, but will be rendered helpless by the vials of wrath and associated plagues. 

Therefore, no one really knows how many days will be included in "those days." It is an unknown. All we can know is, the Beast, the False Prophet, and their armies will be rendered almost helpless as it relates to hunting down believers and beheading them. 

It will be the number of days that gets shortened. The 70th week will not be shortened, or will the Beast's 42 months get shortened. 

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9 hours ago, iamlamad said:
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
What did Jesus mean?  First, what are "those days?"
 

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Many people imagine that Jesus put a TITLE on the last half of the week, titling it "The Great Tribulation." No, there is no such title for the last half of the week. In Jesus' own words, there will be "those days" of "great tribulation." 

What will cause "those days" of GT?

John tells us: there will be an image erected, as Nebuchadnezzar did, and the Beast will force all to worship this image or be put to death. 

Next, there will be a mark established, and all must receive this mark, or be put to death.  All will know, (whether they believe it or not) that to take the mark will doom them to the lake of fire. NO ONE will be able to buy or sell without the mark. Drinkable or safe water will become very hard to find. The only safe water will be in stores. But without the mark, no safe water to drink. Therefore, hunger and thirst will become intolerable and people may take the mark just to get a drink of water. 

In other words, GREAT PRESSURE will be put on people to take this mark. 

How long will "those days" of GT last?

First, when will "those days" begin? If we follow along with John's narrative in Revelation, we see the warning not to take the mark is in Rev. 14. And in chapter 15, we see the beheaded people begin to show up in heaven. Therefore the days of great tribulation will begin sometime between chapters 14 and 15. However, this is not to say hard times won't come before. The Beast will begin his attack on believers shortly after the midpoint. As John shows us, the False Prophet or second beast does not show up at the midpoint, but some unknown time later. It is the False prophet that convinces the people to erect this image to the Beast. So the image itself will come some unknown time after the midpoint of the week.  It is also this False Prophet that creates this mark without which no one can buy or sell. 

How long into the second half of the week will the image and mark be created? No one knows. John did not tell us.

HOW will God "shorten" "those days" of "great tribulation?"  When the murdering of the saints gets to a peak, God will begin pouring out the vials of His wrath, which will "shorten" those days of GT. In other words, after a few of these vials, there will be no one in the Beast's armies hunting down believers or beheading them. These vials of wrath will bring the Beast's operations to a HALT. Thus, the days of GT that could be, will not be. The beast will still have his 42 months of authority, but will be rendered helpless by the vials of wrath and associated plagues. 

Therefore, no one really knows how many days will be included in "those days." It is an unknown. All we can know is, the Beast, the False Prophet, and their armies will be rendered almost helpless as it relates to hunting down believers and beheading them. 

It will be the number of days that gets shortened. The 70th week will not be shortened, or will the Beast's 42 months get shortened. 

Iamlamad

Revelation 16:12   And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

 

Revelation 9:13   And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Revelation 9:14   Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Revelation 9:15   And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:16   And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 9:17   And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

 

Two wars.  When the Mede's stand up to the king of the North at the end of the 3 1/2 yrs, they will pour into Israel.  All the armies of the earth will come in also to battle.  They will all pour in like a flood.  This war is kingdom against kingdom, nation against nation.  Man against man.  It's this war that will be cut short or else no flesh will be saved.  Not only will the Mede's pour into Israel, but whilst all the worlds armies are sent to Israel, the Mede's will take all the strongholds of Babylon.  In every nation they will bring down Babylon's strongholds, and terrorise all the households of the nations.  They will be cruel and fierce....Again, this is the war that is cut short by Christ's "appearing".  If Christ doesn't stop THIS WAR, no flesh will be saved. 

This war has to be stopped, because a third of man get killed in this particular war.

Then all those armies will all gather at Megiddo to war the Lamb and fight him together as "one army".

 

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1 hour ago, Sister said:

Iamlamad

Revelation 16:12   And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

 

Revelation 9:13   And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Revelation 9:14   Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Revelation 9:15   And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:16   And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 9:17   And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

 

Two wars.  When the Mede's stand up to the king of the North at the end of the 3 1/2 yrs, they will pour into Israel.  All the armies of the earth will come in also to battle.  They will all pour in like a flood.  This war is kingdom against kingdom, nation against nation.  Man against man.  It's this war that will be cut short or else no flesh will be saved.  Not only will the Mede's pour into Israel, but whilst all the worlds armies are sent to Israel, the Mede's will take all the strongholds of Babylon.  In every nation they will bring down Babylon's strongholds, and terrorise all the households of the nations.  They will be cruel and fierce....Again, this is the war that is cut short by Christ's "appearing".  If Christ doesn't stop THIS WAR, no flesh will be saved. 

This war has to be stopped, because a third of man get killed in this particular war.

Then all those armies will all gather at Megiddo to war the Lamb and fight him together as "one army".

 

THE ONLY TRUMPET I can sound is BE PREPARED TO EVEN DIE FOR THE LORD to have to suffer betrayal at the hands of many and even get killed.

Their is a monster tribulation coming and all inclusive mindset is getting the world ready to worship the dark one and we get betrayed.

Do not expect to be raptured out .  NO be prepared to instead endure an all out hell bent persecution to rid us all from the land.

 SISTER.............their is a MONSTER DELUSOIN building as I write this .....................sister,,,,,,,,,,its a MONSTER and it goes under the name UNITY all inclusive love ,

etc.   unity with the world with rome with all relgions , ITS LEADING them to the beast , itsworship .     OH dear sister help me warn the peoples.

NOT TO Fear it , but rather to be faithful In CHRIST even unto death .  

OH dear its infected many jews too , who know not Christ and many who claim to be messianic are under its influence as is many of our churches too.

Sis, its a monster cloaked with words like hugs , love unity peace.   BUT ITS DEATH and at its end its TEETH will be seen against its enemies,   US SISTER lambs of GOD

that is who its true enemy is . 

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I will just mention something.

First of all end time prophecy wise, what is called the church is messing up the word of God, in more ways than one, too many interpretations, not enough knowing about the why's and how come's of end time prophecy.

We really need to understand the way of the cross more, and as we humble ourselves before God, the understanding will flow into other areas, such as end time prophecy, the thing is, is that there are too many private interpretations and not enough humility and humbleness.

Why will God shortened the days?

Mat 24:21-22
(21)  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22)  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Mat 24:29-30
(29)  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30)  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 

No flesh being saved, is not referring to salvation in this case, but rather to no flesh being saved in the sense of remaining, and if God would not shortened the days of the tribulation period, there would no flesh remain alive during Christ's millennial reign.

And it is for the elect's sake that he will shorten these days.

And the ones that are not destroyed, shall get saved, and become believers, but all the wicked God shall destroy (2 Thess 1:7-10).

God wants people to serve him, love him, and worship him, and he will have his people during the millennial reign, who do so.

God always has his people.

We tend to not really read carefully his word, nor see his heart in the matter, too many just want the acclaim, prestige, be the know it all person, and not understand God 's heart.

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26 minutes ago, Giller said:

First of all end time prophecy wise, what is called the church is messing up the word of God, in more ways than one, too many interpretations, not enough knowing about the why's and how come's of end time prophecy.

We really need to understand the way of the cross more, and as we humble ourselves before God, the understanding will flow into other areas, such as end time prophecy, the thing is, is that there are too many private interpretations and not enough humility and humbleness.

As noted frequently,  since the "church" is messing up,  (YHWH created all things simple, man came up with many devices), there are as Jesus Says many false teachers tickling the ears of multitudes,  

and the way of the cross is necessary,   and is taught in only a few places (worthy christian library for one is fairly good to learn the way of the cross - to follow Jesus;  but obviously the forum is not, nor the chat,) , 

so knowledge of God and understanding of His Word is relatively rare, and people don't even know where to nor how to learn from God,  ....  most having already fallen/ been tricked by as you posted "privated interpretations"/ false doctrines and teachings and traditions ......

Where are the humble who choose to seek God's Kingdom to turn ?

 

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2 hours ago, Giller said:

I will just mention something.

First of all end time prophecy wise, what is called the church is messing up the word of God, in more ways than one, too many interpretations, not enough knowing about the why's and how come's of end time prophecy.

We really need to understand the way of the cross more, and as we humble ourselves before God, the understanding will flow into other areas, such as end time prophecy, the thing is, is that there are too many private interpretations and not enough humility and humbleness.

Why will God shortened the days?

Mat 24:21-22
(21)  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22)  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Mat 24:29-30
(29)  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30)  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 

No flesh being saved, is not referring to salvation in this case, but rather to no flesh being saved in the sense of remaining, and if God would not shortened the days of the tribulation period, there would no flesh remain alive during Christ's millennial reign.

And it is for the elect's sake that he will shorten these days.

And the ones that are not destroyed, shall get saved, and become believers, but all the wicked God shall destroy (2 Thess 1:7-10).

God wants people to serve him, love him, and worship him, and he will have his people during the millennial reign, who do so.

God always has his people.

We tend to not really read carefully his word, nor see his heart in the matter, too many just want the acclaim, prestige, be the know it all person, and not understand God 's heart.

Amen Giller

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3 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

THE ONLY TRUMPET I can sound is BE PREPARED TO EVEN DIE FOR THE LORD to have to suffer betrayal at the hands of many and even get killed.

Their is a monster tribulation coming and all inclusive mindset is getting the world ready to worship the dark one and we get betrayed.

Do not expect to be raptured out .  NO be prepared to instead endure an all out hell bent persecution to rid us all from the land.

 SISTER.............their is a MONSTER DELUSOIN building as I write this .....................sister,,,,,,,,,,its a MONSTER and it goes under the name UNITY all inclusive love ,

etc.   unity with the world with rome with all relgions , ITS LEADING them to the beast , itsworship .     OH dear sister help me warn the peoples.

NOT TO Fear it , but rather to be faithful In CHRIST even unto death .  

OH dear its infected many jews too , who know not Christ and many who claim to be messianic are under its influence as is many of our churches too.

Sis, its a monster cloaked with words like hugs , love unity peace.   BUT ITS DEATH and at its end its TEETH will be seen against its enemies,   US SISTER lambs of GOD

that is who its true enemy is . 

frienduff thaylorde

So true. 

  John 16:33   These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

It's coming and we must know the sign of the times.  Today is the day of salvation, not tomorrow.  This thread is to show how close we are to the start of the tribulation.  It will all start in Jerusalem.  Something big there will start.  I have explained what I think it will be.  No good proclaiming after it's started, but before as a testimony that God has warned us all of all the evils he will bring on the ungodly, and those who loved a lie, and loved not the truth.  It will be worse for them than for the saints who will be persecuted for righteousness sake.  To fall under the wrath and anger of God will not be pleasant, but a dreadful experience.

The tribulation will not be pretty, but we know our Lord is not far away.  That is the good news.

Strengthen the things that are weak.  Feed on the bread that gives life. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Sister said:

Iamlamad

Revelation 16:12   And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

 

Revelation 9:13   And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Revelation 9:14   Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Revelation 9:15   And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:16   And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 9:17   And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

 

Two wars.  When the Mede's stand up to the king of the North at the end of the 3 1/2 yrs, they will pour into Israel.  All the armies of the earth will come in also to battle.  They will all pour in like a flood.  This war is kingdom against kingdom, nation against nation.  Man against man.  It's this war that will be cut short or else no flesh will be saved.  Not only will the Mede's pour into Israel, but whilst all the worlds armies are sent to Israel, the Mede's will take all the strongholds of Babylon.  In every nation they will bring down Babylon's strongholds, and terrorise all the households of the nations.  They will be cruel and fierce....Again, this is the war that is cut short by Christ's "appearing".  If Christ doesn't stop THIS WAR, no flesh will be saved. 

This war has to be stopped, because a third of man get killed in this particular war.

Then all those armies will all gather at Megiddo to war the Lamb and fight him together as "one army".

 

Readers, this is only human reasoning. Rev. 13 tells us what will cause those days of great tribulation, meaning, great pressure being put upon people. You are mistaken. The "war" as you call it, at the 6th trumpet will be an angelic war. And it will come before the days of great tribulation Jesus spoke of.  You are trying to mix Rev. 16, the vials, with Rev. 9, the trumpets. The trumpet judgments will be FINISHED by the time God begins pouring out the vials of His wrath.

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10 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

THE ONLY TRUMPET I can sound is BE PREPARED TO EVEN DIE FOR THE LORD to have to suffer betrayal at the hands of many and even get killed.

Their is a monster tribulation coming and all inclusive mindset is getting the world ready to worship the dark one and we get betrayed.

Do not expect to be raptured out .  NO be prepared to instead endure an all out hell bent persecution to rid us all from the land.

 SISTER.............their is a MONSTER DELUSOIN building as I write this .....................sister,,,,,,,,,,its a MONSTER and it goes under the name UNITY all inclusive love ,

etc.   unity with the world with rome with all relgions , ITS LEADING them to the beast , itsworship .     OH dear sister help me warn the peoples.

NOT TO Fear it , but rather to be faithful In CHRIST even unto death .  

OH dear its infected many jews too , who know not Christ and many who claim to be messianic are under its influence as is many of our churches too.

Sis, its a monster cloaked with words like hugs , love unity peace.   BUT ITS DEATH and at its end its TEETH will be seen against its enemies,   US SISTER lambs of GOD

that is who its true enemy is . 

If you wish to remain behind and lose your head, that is between you and God. But please, don't try to convince others to follow you! God has made a way of escape: while those living in the darkness of sin get "sudden destruction," those living in the light of the gospel will get raptured and get to "live together with Him:" and "so shall we ever be with the Lord." 

A true believer in Christ has no need to worry. We are in God's hands. He is not going to set any appointments for us with His wrath. Rather, we will be raptured out. BELIEVE IT! It is truth.

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      21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
      In this case, the NIV says great distress. The word distress is the Greek word  "thlípsis". Many versions use the word "tribulation". It basically means pressure. To understand the word better, see http://biblehub.com/greek/2347.htm
      I do, however, want to make another connection, so we can again, see that Jesus and the book of Daniel, are referring to the same thing. Again, Jesus said in Matt 24:21
      "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again."
      Notice that in this distress or tribulation, is unique, not having an equal previously, not in the future. How does Daniel describe this? From 12:1:
      “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then."
      It is also note-worthy, that Michael is mentioned. You probably know, that Michael is an archangel. That ties in to this (probably) if you look at 1 Thess 4:16, and comparing that verse or passage, with the Matt 24 one.
      I am not trying to send you down all sorts of side trails, but these things are all related. Going to stop at this point, and move along. Thanks for reading what I have said here, and especially for reading the Bible itself.
    • By Steve Conley
      The Two Distinct Periods of Tribulation in The Last Half of the Seventieth Week
      Many fail to see that there are two distinct periods of tribulation in the second half of the seventieth week. The first is great tribulation upon the elect and Israel by the Beast and his followers. The second is tribulation from God upon the unbelieving Beast worshipers. The passages below emphasize this fact.
      2Th 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
      2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
      2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
      2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
      2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
      When Jesus returns, the great tribulation, that time of trouble that Daniel spoke of (Dan 12:1) will be cut short (Matt 24:22). It is at that time that He will resurrect the dead in Christ (Dan 12:1-2, Rev 20:4-6, 1Cor 15:23, 51-52) and send the angels to catch up those who are alive and remain together with them, into the clouds (Rev 1:7), to be with Him (1Thes 4:15-17; Matt 24:31). It is after we are safely at the Father's house (John 14:3), before the throne of God (Rev 7:9-17) that His wrath begins to be poured out (Rev 8, 9, 16-19) suddenly (1Thes 5:2-3) on the very same day (Luke 17:26-30).
      It can be shown that there are two periods of tribulation which make up the second half of the week, the last 3½ years prior to Christ's literal, physical, millennial reign, upon the throne of David in Jerusalem.
      The explicit statements of the Scriptures below make it clear that there are two distinct unparalleled periods of tribulation in the second half of the week.
      When does the great tribulation begin? In the middle of the week
      Mat 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
      Dan 9:27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
      Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
      What comes after the great tribulation? The cosmic sign spoken of by Joel which is the precursor to Christ's return.
      Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.                          
      Joe 2:31  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
      Isa 13:6  Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
      Isa 13:7  Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
      Isa 13:8  And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
      Isa 13:9  Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
      Isa 13:10  For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
      Isa 13:11  And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
      Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
      Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
      Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
      Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
      Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
      Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
      Isa 2:12  For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
      Isa 2:17  And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
      Isa 2:19  And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
      Isa 2:20  In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
      Isa 2:21  To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
       
      “If these passages describe the cosmic sign of Joel 2:31, and they do, then it is an indisputable
      fact that the day of the Lord cannot begin until the great tribulation is over.” Pastor Conley
       
      God's wrath, at the beginning of the day of the Lord, doesn't begin until the elect (all believers in Jesus Christ) are removed from the earth, after the great tribulation.
      God’s tribulation upon the unbelieving, Beast worshipers, who will persecute the church and Israel in the great tribulation, is referenced in Rev 3:10. The persecuted saints are said to be kept from the hour of temptation, that is, removed from the sphere of God’s, day of the Lord, wrath.
      Rev 3:10  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
      When considering this verse, it is very important to understand the focus of the trial in context. It is that which will allow you to rightly understand what the notable hour of temptation is. Here, the focus is said to be upon the earth dwellers, “them that dwell upon the earth.” “The earth dwellers” is a technical term throughout the eschatological portions of the New Testament. The term is the combination of two Greek words (ghay and katoikeo). It always refers to those dwelling on the earth that worship the Beast and receive his mark (even in Rev 12:12). 
      Jesus says concerning the Day of the LORD:
      Luk 21:35  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
      Note: Paul clearly teaches that the Day of the LORD will not overtake the watching believer as a thief.
      1Th 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
      1Th 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 
      So “them that dwell on the face of the whole earth” excludes the watching saints.
      John records concerning the two witnesses:
      Rev 11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. ...
      Rev 11:10  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
      Note: The earth-dwellers here rejoice at the death of God’s two witnesses, which no believer would do.
      Again, John uses this technical term concerning those who are deceived by the false prophet:
      Rev 13:14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 
      Note: The earth-dwellers here are deceived by the False Prophet into worshiping the Beast and receiving his mark, but Jesus said that it was not possible for the “very elect” to be deceived (Matt. 24:24).
      Eleven verses in the book of Revelation contain this technical term for those who worship the beast and receive his mark.
      Recognizing that the focus of the temptation is upon the earth dwellers, we know that it refers to God's fierce wrath at the beginning of the day of the Lord and not Satan's wrath (Rev 12:12) upon the elect and Israel in the great tribulation.
      What verses show that the great tribulation is the persecution of the elect and Israel?
      The persecution of Israel can readily be seen in many passages. The most spoken of today is likely Jer. 30:7 where the term “Jacob’s trouble” appears. Dan 12:1 can also rightly be speaking of the believing remnant of Israel. Jesus’ instruction in the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24, 25) has a decidedly Jewish flavor which must include the Jews. However, we must remember it is only believers who listen to the Master’s voice. Rev 12, decidedly shows us that Satan persecutes both the Israelites and believers in Jesus Christ when he is cast from Heaven to the earth in the middle of the week.
      There are many references to Christians being persecuted in the great tribulation. Rev 6:9-11 describes those martyred souls under the alter in Heaven crying out for vengeance, that would have to wait, until the rest of their brethren and fellowservants should be killed as they were. The innumerable multitude in Rev 7:9-17 are said to have come out of great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. They are saved by the blood of the Lamb just like we are. The saints are said to overcome the wrath of Satan “by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony and loved not their lives unto death” (Rev 12:11). When the dragon cannot get to the woman hid and fed in the wilderness he goes after "the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."(Rev 12:17) "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." (Mat 24:9)  The deliverance is to be for those whose names are in the book (Dan 12:1). He will come the second time without sin unto salvation (Heb 9:28). Jesus said that those that endured to the end shall be saved, and the context was the great tribulation. Again and again, we see deliverance or salvation in a physical sense for those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (1Th 4:16-).
      All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lord Jesus Christ.
       

    • By Steve Conley
      Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
      Years ago, in the course of my eschatological studies, I came across someone, I don't remember whom, that suggested that the "earth dwellers" was a kind of technical term for those who receive the mark of the beast and worship him in the last days. The statement meant little to me at the time, nevertheless it was filed away in my memory for a future day.
      Years later that day came. It was at the end of a time in my life, a period of God's correction of my eschatological beliefs. Over the course of many months my fervent pretribulationism was challenged and suffered many devastating blows. These were not the assaults of men, but of the Word of God upon a system of belief that was fashionable within the circles of my fellowship, but entirely without scriptural foundation. However, I was stubborn and not prone to change, so, as long as there was even a single verse I could hold on to that appeared to indicate that the church wouldn't be around for the great tribulation, I remained steadfastly pre-trib in my belief and preaching. 
      The one verse that I had remaining, out of what had been seemingly a multitude, was Rev 3:10. "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Rev 3:10) I thought, surely this verse was clear, the church will be kept from the hour of temptation, we will not go through the great tribulation.
      I was very confident in my understanding of "kept ... from" (tēreō ek), I had spent much time studying and considering what that means. I defended the teaching, that the faithful church in Philadelphia would be kept from or out of the hour of temptation and that it wasn't saying that we would be kept through it, as many post-tribbers teach. (It is true that God will keep the 144,000 and the woman of Rev 12 who is hid and fed in the wilderness, both of these he keeps through the period of His wrath, but the church is out of here first.) I still have confidence that "out of" is the right understanding, God will remove His own before His wrath is poured out.
      So, I had my one verse for the pre-trib rapture, Rev 3:10. However, I was still unsettled. The problem was that the weight of the rest of the Scriptures contradicted my understanding of this one verse. Then came that day, that's when I remembered that someone had said that "earth dwellers" was a technical term for the Beast worshipers. Rev 3:10 used that term (earth dwellers), "them that dwell upon the earth". So, I began to verify that idea and then apply it to this passage. What I found brought a harmony in my understanding of the eschatological texts.

      "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Rev 3:10)
      When considering Rev 3:10, it is very important to understand the focus of the trial in context. It is that which will allow you to rightly understand what the notable hour of temptation is. In this verse, the focus is said to be upon the earth dwellers, “them that dwell upon the earth.” “The earth dwellers” is a technical term throughout the eschatological portions of the New Testament. The term is the combination of two Greek words (gē and katoikeō or a variation thereof). It always refers to those dwelling on the earth that worship the Beast and receive his mark (even in Rev 12:12). This can be understood to be true by observing this combination of words in the following texts.
      Jesus says concerning the Day of the LORD:
      Luk 21:35  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
      Jesus uses this combination of words in an eschatological context. He says that the earth dwellers are going to be surprised by the Lord's coming and His wrath on the day of the Lord. They will be caught suddenly, unawares (Luke 21:34; 1Thes 5:3).
      However, Paul clearly teaches that the Day of the LORD will not overtake the watching believer as a thief.
      1Th 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
      1Th 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
      So “them that dwell on the face of the whole earth” excludes the watching saints. This term is not all inclusive. It refers only to those who are caught unawares or suddenly by Christ's return. (The very elect will not be surprised, because we expect His coming and He has given us events to watch for which will indicate the season of His return and our gathering together unto Him.)
      Next, let's look at what John records concerning the two witnesses:
      Rev 11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
      Rev 11:10  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
      Notice here that the earth-dwellers rejoice at the death of God’s two witnesses, which no believer would do. These earth-dwellers are followers of the Beast and False Prophet and they rejoice when God's two witnesses are overcome and killed by the Beast. So, again we see that earth-dwellers excludes the saints.
      Let's look at another instance of John's use of this technical term. Here, it is used for those who are deceived by the false prophet:
      Rev 13:14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
      Take notice that the earth-dwellers here are deceived by the False Prophet into worshiping the Beast and receiving his mark, but Jesus said that it was not possible for the “very elect” to be deceived (Matt. 24:24).
      Eleven verses in the book of Revelation contain this technical term for those who worship the Beast and receive his mark.
      Recognizing that the focus of the temptation in Rev 3:10 is upon the earth dwellers, we know that it refers to God's fierce wrath at the beginning of the day of the Lord and not Satan's wrath (Rev 12:12) upon the elect and Israel in the great tribulation. It is God’s tribulation upon the unbelieving, Beast worshipers, who will persecute the church and Israel in the great tribulation, that is referenced in Rev 3:10. The persecuted saints are said to be kept from the hour of temptation, that is, removed from the sphere of God’s, day of the Lord, wrath.
      All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lamb
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