What did Jesus mean by "those days should be shortened...?"

[iamlamad]

On 1/16/2018 at 7:29 PM, ScottA said:

You are digging a bigger hole for yourself.

But for the sake of those who care to know the truth and have ears to hear from God:

"The dead in Christ" are those whom Christ referred to as "the first who would be last." They are first in the resurrection, because Christ came as their sacrifice, they are the natural branches the house of Israel, but they died in the flesh. But they are last to receive the spirit of God (to be born again). 

"The living in Christ" are those whom hear the voice of Christ standing at the door within and receive the Holy Spirit of God, which they do while they are in the flesh, which makes them the last in the resurrection, but first to enter the kingdom. They are consider dead in the flesh, but alive in the spirit. They are not included in the house of Israel for whom Christ came the first time and must be adopted or graphed in.

The bottom line is that Israel did not receive Christ and therefore suffered unto death, and God then made the invitation and offer of eternal life available to the gentiles. These are that "other fold" which Christ spoke of. Thus, "the dead in Christ" are of Israel and the old covenant, and "the living in Christ" are those of the gentiles who receive Him in spirit, of which He said, "Though they die, they shall live."

All this time, I and billions of other humans have thought that to be dead meant one ceases to breath and the heart ceases to beat. Finally we get someone telling us we are all wrong! Sorry, I don't believe your theory. The dead in Christ are those who were "in Christ" meaning born again, but their heart stopped beating and they stopped breathing. In short, their physical body quit working. 

[Daniel 11:36]

"The bottom line is that Israel did not receive Christ"

 

But 1/3rd of Israel will receive Him during the coming tribulation period [Zechariah 13:8-9; Revelation 7:1-8]

Israel is in unbelief at this time, but this will change during the coming tribulation period

Edited January 31, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[ScottA]

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

All this time, I and billions of other humans have thought that to be dead meant one ceases to breath and the heart ceases to beat. Finally we get someone telling us we are all wrong! Sorry, I don't believe your theory. The dead in Christ are those who were "in Christ" meaning born again, but their heart stopped beating and they stopped breathing. In short, their physical body quit working. 

No, Jesus and Paul explained that although we live and breath in the flesh, we are dead because of sin.

Also, that God is the God of the living (not the dead), meaning He is not the God of those who are born of the sin nature of Adam, but rather the God of those who are born again of the spirit of God. The point here that you have wrong, is that "the dead in Christ" are identified specifically as the "dead" because they are NOT those who are "born again", but died prior to Christ sending the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, those who are "born again" of the spirit of God, are "the living in Christ", because they are alive, just as God is alive.

"The dead in Christ" is the house of Israel, for which Christ first came, of whom He is the Last (born under the Old Covenant).

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, ScottA said:

No, Jesus and Paul explained that although we live and breath in the flesh, we are dead because of sin.

Also, that God is the God of the living (not the dead), meaning He is not the God of those who are born of the sin nature of Adam, but rather the God of those who are born again of the spirit of God. The point here that you have wrong, is that "the dead in Christ" are identified specifically as the "dead" because they are NOT those who are "born again", but died prior to Christ sending the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, those who are "born again" of the spirit of God, are "the living in Christ", because they are alive, just as God is alive.

"The dead in Christ" is the house of Israel, for which Christ first came, of whom He is the Last (born under the Old Covenant).

All you are telling us is that you don't know the difference between physical death and spiritual death. Neither do you know which Paul was talking about.

[ScottA]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

All you are telling us is that you don't know the difference between physical death and spiritual death. Neither do you know which Paul was talking about.

No...I am explaining them to someone who apparently does not know the truth of it.

You are mixing the two houses (the two "folds" brought by Jesus - those under the first Adam and the old covenant, with those under the Last Adam and the new covenant), and you are attempting to explain the difference with physical and spiritual death alone. Nonetheless, Jesus did not mix the two, nor am I.

Edited February 1, 2018 by ScottA

[ScottA]

On 1/16/2018 at 8:32 PM, Daniel 11:36 said:

Those of Israel who believe during the coming tribulation will be saved

Romans 11:25-26 

You have the "when" wrong...because you didn't read on to verse 27 which clearly marks the day when Jesus was sacrificed for their sins:

²⁷ For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

Paul is not referring to a future time, but quoting the prophets of old about what Christ had already done. "It is finished."

[Daniel 11:36]

You are the one who is finished son .... give up your preterism and start over

 

 

 

 

 

[Justin Adams]

Except  the day be shortened .. and they were. The carnage in Jerusalem threatened to take all their lives. The Romans had changed the prime mover to Titus and Tiberius his second. The Jewish faction were murdering their fellows. The remaining of the last stand were in the tower.

SUDDENLY they gave up! Titus was so shocked that he let them and many other prisoners go free. About 1 million were killed according to Josephus and Titus did NOT afford a wreath as he said that he was God's instrument of punishment. Josephus was involved in the initial peace overtures from Titus.

There is much writing on this most horrific of events for Israel. We do well to read the history and understand it.

Josephus writes:

And truly, the very view itself was a melancholy thing; for those places which were adorned with trees and pleasant gardens, were now become desolate country every way, and its trees were all cut down. Nor could any foreigner that had formerly seen Judaea and the most beautiful suburbs of the city, and now saw it as a desert, but lament and mourn sadly at so great a change. For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor had anyone who had known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known it again.

[ScottA]

14 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

You are the one who is finished son .... give up your preterism and start over

 

 

 

 

 

No, just finished with you. You who don't use the "Quote" feature, and don't want to hear the truth. Pre... what? Oh, another 'ism from the hypocrites. Never mind. 

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Except  the day be shortened .. and they were. The carnage in Jerusalem threatened to take all their lives. The Romans had changed the prime mover to Titus and Tiberius his second. The Jewish faction were murdering their fellows. The remaining of the last stand were in the tower.

SUDDENLY they gave up! Titus was so shocked that he let them and many other prisoners go free. About 1 million were killed according to Josephus and Titus did NOT afford a wreath as he said that he was God's instrument of punishment. Josephus was involved in the initial peace overtures from Titus.

There is much writing on this most horrific of events for Israel. We do well to read the history and understand it.

Josephus writes:

And truly, the very view itself was a melancholy thing; for those places which were adorned with trees and pleasant gardens, were now become desolate country every way, and its trees were all cut down. Nor could any foreigner that had formerly seen Judaea and the most beautiful suburbs of the city, and now saw it as a desert, but lament and mourn sadly at so great a change. For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor had anyone who had known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known it again.

Ever heard of that unique  word: FUTURE?