Daniel 11:36 Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 "Who pitched this TO YOU ?" Those stated in Revelation 3:15-20 So you are believing the lie of those who will be spewed out of His mouth and into the tribulation period Not all who claim to be Christian will be spared .... in fact few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Last Daze said: 16 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said: Whereas the pre-trib understanding is in complete concurrence with this statement of Jesus's , with His children being led " not into temptation " through His gathering of them to Himself in the rapture . Striking how consistent each belief [of the pretrib] is juxtaposed to the various teachings of Jesus . You failed to finish the thought: And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Matthew 6:13a Being delivered unto evil for " testing " of Christ's weakest children through the spirit of fear , bondage , temptation being the doctrine espoused by only one group . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Unfailing Presence said: Being delivered unto evil for " testing " of Christ's weakest children through the spirit of fear , bondage , temptation being the doctrine espoused by only one group . That doesn't represent any view I'm familiar with. Seems more like a straw man that you've set up so you can knock it down. You can believe whatever you wish about the timing of the rapture. It matters not. What matters is that we heed the words of Jesus: Therefore, be on the alert—for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning— Mark 13:35 If you choose to believe the pretrib lullaby, don't let it sing you to sleep. Have a great life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 hours ago, simplejeff said: Could you re-word this , what do you mean by this ? i.e. why is it 'striking'. Is it 'consistent' actually ? 'juxtaposed to the various teachings' of Jesus - ARE any of His Teachings contrary to each other, ever ? Or only 'juxtaposed' ? Only personal beliefs are contrary to Jesus teachings , such as being led into temptation by God . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted February 15, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "Who pitched this TO YOU ?" Those stated in Revelation 3:15-20 So you are believing the lie of those who will be spewed out of His mouth and into the tribulation period Not all who claim to be Christian will be spared .... in fact few Did you read a previous thread of mine titled : " The purposelessness Of Post-Tribulation Rapture " ? In it there were 3 individual rationales given for the purpose of Christians going into the tribulation by Post-trib advocates . The tough love theory of this thread was one of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted February 15, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Last Daze said: 3 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said: Being delivered unto evil for " testing " of Christ's weakest children through the spirit of fear , bondage , temptation being the doctrine espoused by only one group . That doesn't represent any view I'm familiar with. Seems more like a straw man that you've set up so you can knock it down. Did you read a previous thread of mine titled : " The Purposelessness Of Post-tribulation Rapture " ? Three different rationales were given by post-trib advocates . The tough love testing of the weak Christians with temptation was one of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted February 15, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said: Did you read a previous thread of mine titled : " The Purposelessness Of Post-tribulation Rapture " ? Three different rationales were given by post-trib advocates . The tough love testing of the weak Christians with temptation was one of them . Did they also say 27 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said: through the spirit of fear , bondage , temptation being the doctrine espoused by only one group . like you quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted February 15, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Last Daze said: Did they also say like you quoted? No , you got me there . They actually implied the testing would come from tribulation ponies, butterflies , and warm fuzzies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted February 15, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) The scriptures tell of the Lord taking the dead and living Christians to immortality in a flash at the last trumpet for them [this is not the 7th judgment trumpet of Revelation's account] Now lets be certain of this departure .... it will not be during or after the coming tribulation period, but just before Those on this forum who skew this truth are here to deceive and to give their false accounts This is to be expected as we move closer to the coming tribulation period If you are one of them you should repent and prepare yourself for the Lord's very next action If not, you will either die in unbelief or you will find yourself in the tribulation .... you can still repent but not many will Most will not do this, but will fall victim to their unbelief during the period Those who get through the coming tribulation will be separated and sent to the lake of fire At the same time the balance will enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom as mortals Edited February 15, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted February 15, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said: The scriptures tell of the Lord taking the dead and living Christians to immortality in a flash at the last trumpet for them [this is not the 7th judgment trumpet of Revelation's account] Now lets be certain of this departure .... it will not be during or after the coming tribulation period, but just before Those on this forum who skew this truth are here to deceive and to give their false accounts This is to be expected as we move closer to the coming tribulation period If you are one of them you should repent and prepare yourself for the Lord's very next action If not, you will either die in unbelief or you will find yourself in the tribulation .... you can still repent but not many will Most will not do this, but will fall victim to their unbelief during the period Those who get through the coming tribulation will be separated and sent to the lake of fire At the same time the balance will enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom as mortals So your saying if one does not hold to a pretribulation rapture he is a deceiver and will die in unbelief? Wrong ! Did you know many bible scholars hold to a post view? Walter Martin did. And many more. If the post view is wrong the Christians who hold this view will still be raptured. And also the Christians who hold a pre view will still be raptured later too. Because we are Christians through trusting christ after we heard the gospel of salvation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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