Worthy has changed a lot in ten years ...

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, George said:

What I find interesting ... is that one side of the spectrum -- we have people that say we leave too much "false doctrine" on the forums ... and we have another side that says we don't allow it.  Amazing ... I guess it depends on which threads you're reading and how you're responding! 

As far as conspiracy type theories ... we just regulated them to ... Controversial forums ... go there if you wish to delve into the "conspiracy" type aspects of discussions.  However, most of these discussions usually regulate into the realm of bearing false witness based on hearsay. 

I appreciate that you do allow conspiracies to be discussed.  If you have read through this thread, you can see it is a criticism that too much "false" doctrine is being spread, and clearly, what is true and what is false is in the eye of the beholder.  

[George]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I appreciate that you do allow conspiracies to be discussed.  If you have read through this thread, you can see it is a criticism that too much "false" doctrine is being spread, and clearly, what is true and what is false is in the eye of the beholder.  

True ... I haven't read through the discussion ... 37 pages ... who has the time?  LOL!  I only jumped in because of a reported post.

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, George said:

And I'm sure you can spend a day finding those who disagree with the other side ... the same type of situation ... my question is ... what does it profit you?  How does it benefit the Kingdom?    

It just shows that the comments towards me are false.  I know you can find such comments on both sides.  That is the point.  Each side believes they are right and their doctrine is pure, and everyone else is in error and the sheep must be protected from them.  I find it funny that it is my side that is desirous we have more freedom, and the eternal security crowd that wants to squash everyone else.  My side is usually considered to be the intolerant ones.  

[angels4u]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

I support allowing conspiracy theories because there are cases where they might turn out to be true.  I don't like the idea someone cannot warn people of danger, or telling the truth but be silenced over the idea it is a conspiracy theory.  A reasonable compromise would be to limit them to the Conspiracy section.  

If Worthy Boards decides to limit doctrines to within the SOF, that is reasonable, because that has been established from the start, but beyond that, everyone will disagree over what is true and what is false.  A Baptist will claim anyone that doesn't preach Baptist doctrine is false and a Wesleyan will claim anyone not teaching Wesleyan doctrine is false.  I could claim anyone that is not Pentecostal is false.  Where does it end? 

The SOF is a reasonable way to go, but personally, I am not desiring to force everyone who believes in things like soul sleep to go away, even though I don't agree with them.  You would force the Seventh Day Adventists out, and a handful of others.  Those who reject the canon of scripture would have to go, but I would argue anyone that promotes modern English Bibles that leave out or discredit portions of the original text of the canon are violating the SOF, and that works to my benefit and the benefit of those who are KJV only.  Trying to determine what is true and what is false could be quite a task.  Know your Bible and you will recognize the true from the false.  

What I can see happening here is a Message Board split, like you have church splits.  Everyone wants doctrinal purity, so they go their own way and create a message board where if you don't believe like them, you can't be a member.  That would be interesting.  Everyone would start a thread, and the others would say A-men to the tune of dozens of posts.  The moment someone disagrees, the post is removed and the person is put on moderator review or banned.  I think things are fine at Worthy as they are.  What is taking place is there is a group of people that are lamenting that they can't take over the place with their own doctrine, so they want to put people in positions that will do that for them. 

These are people that are trusted with keeping comments from getting out of hand, and stopping outright heresy, who instead, have an agenda to force everyone out that doesn't believe like they do, and the people who are trying to do this are those of the eternal security persuasion.  What they really desire is to force everyone to accept OSAS or be accused of heresy.  You get moderators in place that will back them up, and quietly start banning people that don't agree, and they figure nobody will notice or know what happened, plus, how will they object to the owner when they are banned?  What they didn't count on before is someone who made contacts outside of Worthy Christian Forums with those in Worthy Christian Forums and was able to report what was going on, as well as rule violations they were guilty of.  Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it actually happened, and many who are upset about how things used to be and wishing for the good old days are trying to take the place over so they can run it their way by having their people in place as moderators.  Don't fall for it.  

One piece of advise for those who are outsiders, and hopefully you know who you are.  Make contacts with those on the inside you can trust outside of Worthy.  Make e-mail contacts or Facebook contacts so if this conspiracy works, and you find yourself banned over phony charges, you will have a way to let others know what happened.  Don't think this can't happen, because I know for a fact it has.  You would be shocked how many people were banned, that seemingly just left, and not over actual violations of the TOS of SOF, but because we had people in positions of authority that would create phony charges and they worked together.  We have a good group in place right now, and I do not support making any changes that would stifle free speech.   

Butero,

George is always trying to have people on the moderating team from different backgrounds but with solid Bible scripture knowledge, the watchmen on here are from all over the world ,he is trying to make Worthy as safe as can be for younger people and for all people  to glorify the Lord!

I have been here for a very long time and I thank the Lord for the opportunity to interact with people and point them to Jesus.

Where did you ever find people banned who didn't agree with doctrines? Do you know of any people   banned of not believing in the doctrine of OSAS? ( That would be new to me)

I'm shocked by your statement , I would not support a cult and Worthy is not even close to this...

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, George said:

True ... I haven't read through the discussion ... 37 pages ... who has the time?  LOL!  I only jumped in because of a reported post.

I can imagine what that post was and who reported it.  This is what I am talking about.  We have a conspiracy taking place to get someone to post something in violation of the TOS so they can be reported over and over and banned.  The same people are wanting moderators in place to run those out who don't agree with them.  I want to make it clear that I am not accusing OSAS believes of being a cult, but only the tactics of some as being cult like.  

[George]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

It just shows that the comments towards me are false.  I know you can find such comments on both sides.  That is the point.  Each side believes they are right and their doctrine is pure, and everyone else is in error and the sheep must be protected from them.  I find it funny that it is my side that is desirous we have more freedom, and the eternal security crowd that wants to squash everyone else.  My side is usually considered to be the intolerant ones.  

Well, I'm sure the other side says the same thing!      I'm reminded of the message of the Moravians that had the longest running revival in history ... In ESSENTIALS -- Unity -- in Non-Essentials -- Liberty -- but in ALL THINGS LOVE!    Perhaps if we just focused on loving one another and learning to disagree in love in those things which are not essential for eternal life ... we'll make some progress toward true revival. 

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, angels4u said:

Butero,

George is always trying to have people on the moderating team from different backgrounds but with solid Bible scripture knowledge, the watchmen on here are from all over the world ,he is trying to make Worthy as safe as can be for younger people and for all people  to glorify the Lord!

I have been here for a very long time and I thank the Lord for the opportunity to interact with people and point them to Jesus.

Where did you ever find people banned who didn't agree with doctrines? Do you know of any people   banned of not believing in the doctrine of OSAS? ( That would be new to me)

I'm shocked by your statement , I would not support a cult and Worthy is not even close to this...

I am not accusing Worthy of being a cult.  Those moderators are long gone, and they were subtle in how they went about their business.  The current moderating team is excellent as I already said earlier in this thread.  I have gone out of my way to defend them and this message board.  This whole thread is an attack against Worthy, and I stand in opposition to the false charges.

[angels4u]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

I can imagine what that post was and who reported it.  This is what I am talking about.  We have a conspiracy taking place to get someone to post something in violation of the TOS so they can be reported over and over and banned.  The same people are wanting moderators in place to run those out who don't agree with them.  I want to make it clear that I am not accusing OSAS believes of being a cult, but only the tactics of some as being cult like.  

I didn't report you Butero ...

[George]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

I can imagine what that post was and who reported it.  This is what I am talking about.  We have a conspiracy taking place to get someone to post something in violation of the TOS so they can be reported over and over and banned.  The same people are wanting moderators in place to run those out who don't agree with them.  I want to make it clear that I am not accusing OSAS believes of being a cult, but only the tactics of some as being cult like.  

But I'm the one that chooses Moderators ... do you trust me?   How long have we known each other?  Trust me ... there's so many checks and balances in place that nobody truly runs the show!  Just because something is reported ... doesn't mean anything!  It means we review it -- jump in when we need to.  Send a private message if necessary ... it's called running a ministry!  LOL! 

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, angels4u said:

I didn't report you Butero ...

I wasn't thinking you reported me for anything.