Do we have to do good works to be saved ?

[Dan_79]

11 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Paul uses both Jew and Israel interchangeable, a minor issue.

Rev 3:9 is important because in Paul being a "Jew" only, he cannot be ISRAEL and Peter allows the wolves into the fold by applying ISRAEL to include Jews, which John warned. 

Israel and jews are NOT indistinguishable.

Jews are still known by proxy of usurping the holy land.

ISRAEL (the people) where told to move north and west of palestine

They "Jews" will try to claim the inheritence of ISRAEL as prophesised.

Peter endorses Paul (the "Jew")

But it isnt a minor issue, salvation being of faith only.

If you have faith and good works you are not denying faith in the proccess

 

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by Dan_79

[Dan_79]

58 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Which good works? How many good works must you add to Christ's perfect work to be saved?

Not Christ, I am saying our own good works reflect our belief if the belief is genuine.

Saying "I beleive" and then sinning is a poor demonstration or example to other people. No?

Edited April 29, 2018 by Dan_79

[Dan_79]

21 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Please answer. Which good works and how many good works do we need til we finally earn salvation?

Brother Yowm, 

I cannot be the judge of myself (as you already know right?)

Are you asking me to set my own limit? Lol

I have faith so according to Paul I'm saved already regardless ....right?

Edited April 29, 2018 by Dan_79

[Dan_79]

5 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Quite sanctimonious, you can't judge yourself? 

Why not, you have already judged Paul and thus you have judged the Gospel given to the Gentiles.

Rome may welcome you with open arms, they seem to trust in their works.

I am not worthy of your awards brother Yowm.

I judge the letters of Paul, as did John, James also and when I explained why (along with your admixture of Jew and Israel as a minor issue) I was left still asking for clarification on Johns take on Peter which went straight over your head as you claimed it to be off topic.

You can have the last word if you want. 

[john1]

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 11:03 PM, Wayne222 said:

From the second you trust in his name you are saved.

1 Corinthians chapter 13 verse 2

 

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
 

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8

Love covers a great many sins.

 

Jeremiah chapter 29 verse 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

 

 

 

Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 29 But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.

[Blood Bought 1953]

3 hours ago, Yowm said:

Please answer. Which good works and how many good works do we need til we finally earn salvation?

 

It’s high time that this issue was confronted head- on and finally put to rest!

 

27 good works that benefit the poor and/or widows and orphans will suffice.

 

Now that we have settled that, let’s move on to other issues...let me know if I can clarify any other problems

[Your closest friendnt]

30 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

It’s high time that this issue was confronted head- on and finally put to rest!

 

27 good works that benefit the poor and/or widows and orphans will suffice.

 

Now that we have settled that, let’s move on to other issues...let me know if I can clarify any other problems

Yes, JESUS CHRIST gives the ETERNAL LIFE.,without repentance

[Heb 13:8]

On 4/28/2018 at 1:40 AM, Butero said:

That is it in a nut shell Other One, but there is yet another question.  What do we mean when we speak of good works?  Are we talking about things we actually do for others, or are we talking about abstaining from sin?  I never looked at it as doing a good work because I don't steal, kill, commit adultery, etc.  A good work would be giving to the poor, or perhaps helping someone with no money with home repairs if we are good at such things.  Good works to me are things we do.  

If we are speaking of sins, I choose to believe the Bible.  I would point to such scriptures as 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?  Be not deceived:  neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  

Then there is the book of Galatians.  I believe that too when it says the following in Galatians 5:19-21

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;  Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:  of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.  

I simply believe the scriptures.  If it tells me a thief won't inherit the kingdom of god, I believe it.  If it says an adulterer won't inherit the kingdom of God, I believe it.  If it says a fornicator won't inherit the kingdom of God, I believe it.  If it says that those who are into witchcraft won't inherit the kingdom of God, I believe it.  I don't see any exceptions for those who got saved.  It is simply saying these people will not inherit the kingdom of God.  

The typical response to these scriptures is to claim they can't really mean this in regard to Christians because they will claim that would contradict other scriptures, but I can just as easily turn it around and say their favorite eternal security passages can't mean that because they would contradict these scriptures.  Thus the cycle continues.  

Eternal security is based on whether Jesus was raised or not.
Either you're still in your sins or your sins have been paid for.
I don't think the dead in their graves have a choice now.

1 Cor 15:12-19 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

On the way to heaven they go. - Heb

[Blood Bought 1953]

32 minutes ago, Yowm said:

27, ah yes.. 3 x 3 x 3 a true trinity. lol

 

Wasn’t it obvious? Lol

[Riccardo]

On 4/28/2018 at 2:58 PM, Dan_79 said:

Jesus and his chosen deciples say yes to doing good works.

Paul seems to think differently and preaches faith only.

Perhaps others will say that is incorrect and I would welcome their advice on this myself as Paul is at variance to Jesus and his deciples on certain things which although has not effected my trust in the Lord has led me to search for answers (the truth).

Hi Dan,

If you think Paul teaches a different philosophy  you would be saying that ALL scripture is not God breathed & Paul should not be in the cannon of scripture, or he is not from God, I would say he is clarifying