Discovering the Second Half of the Gospel

[angels4u]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

Excuse me for asking, but are you saved? I am assuming yes. Then if so, why this question? Just curious....

G.

I know that I am saved , I was asking that question because of you implying that I need more ?

Can you please answer this question ? I wonder if you witness  to people is different then mine?

[Not me]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

The verse that you barely quoted correctly is I John 3:9 and it is talking about the habitual practice of sin.  It does not mean that a Christian cannot commit a sin.  Rather it is simply stating that we are not caught up in a lifestyle sinning.

Holiness is not sinlessness when it comes to the Christian.   If being a Christian means that we live without committing a single sin, we would not need Jesus making intercession for us, and we would not need Jesus to be our advocate before the Father.
 

the good news is simply that Jesus Christ has made a way for us to come to the Father.  It is the message that our sins were paid for and that we can be forgiven, cleansed and made new through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.  The Gospel is encapsulated in John 3:16.    God loves us, Jesus died for us and if we trust in Him, He will save us and keep us saved.

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

It was this scripture I was referring to. “No one who is born of God sins” This scripture is talking about the new creation. It is the new creation that does not sin. It is the manifestation of the new creation in the life of the believer that frees one from sin. Go to God yourself and ask if there is any truth in this. For an increase in Christ in the believers innermost being is that which is important. Those that are willing to go to God themselves shall know the truths of these statements. 

As far as arguing over what the Gospel or the Good News is. It seems like it is a profitless argument. Does nothing to cause Christ to be enlarged in the believer. For an increase in Christ in the believer  is the only thing of any importantance. 

Much love in Christ, Not me

Edited May 3, 2018 by Not me

[Gideon]

16 hours ago, Still Alive said:

1 john 1:8

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Ok, let me ask you a question. Let’s say that right now, you have an Achilles heel sin. You give. Into it a lot... say three times a week. And let’s also say that what is being shared will make it so you give into it one every eight months. In both cases, you are not sinless. But..... do you take the second way where you actuallly .... sin less? 

Gideon 

[Gideon]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

The verse that you barely quoted correctly is I John 3:9 and it is talking about the habitual practice of sin.  It does not mean that a Christian cannot commit a sin.  Rather it is simply stating that we are not caught up in a lifestyle sinning.

Holiness is not sinlessness when it comes to the Christian.   If being a Christian means that we live without committing a single sin, we would not need Jesus making intercession for us, and we would not need Jesus to be our advocate before the Father.
 

the good news is simply that Jesus Christ has made a way for us to come to the Father.  It is the message that our sins were paid for and that we can be forgiven, cleansed and made new through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.  The Gospel is encapsulated in John 3:16.    God loves us, Jesus died for us and if we trust in Him, He will save us and keep us saved.

So do you habitually sin? How much must one sin the same sin again and again for it to be considered a habit? Once a day? Once a month? And as we are progressively sanctified, should that actually become less and less to the point we stop and work on another sin? 

Gideon

[Gideon]

28 minutes ago, angels4u said:

I know that I am saved , I was asking that question because of you implying that I need more ?

Can you please answer this question ? I wonder if you witness  to people is different then mine?

Let me ask you a question if I may. How do you witness to a drug addict?

 Do you tell them that Jesus is able to forgive them but then it is on them to stop doing drugs? 

Or, do you tell them that God will forgive them AND cleanse them of all unrighteousness? 

Or, do you tell them that God will forgive them and if they continue to use drugs, it really does not matter because they are forgiven of all their sins, past, present and future? 

Which do you think is the most accurate according to the Bible? 

Thanks, 

Gideon

[Gideon]

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

I know that I am saved , I was asking that question because of you implying that I need more ?

Can you please answer this question ? I wonder if you witness  to people is different then mine?

There is a huge difference between being saved and being safe. The power of darkness is going to increase more and more in these last days, and if Satan has a hook in us somewhere, it may seem small and innocuous.right now. But it will not stay that way. God is opening our eyes to how to run into Him and be safe ....totally safe.... so that as darkness increases, so does our purity.

Do we think we need that?

Do we want that?

Important questions.

blessings, 

Gideon

[Gideon]

8 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 Gideon....Not to be nosy but may I ask if you are married......if so , what does your wife think of your “ holiness”....somebody that sees you outside of this site and knows the “ real “ you.

Personally, I have gone way beyond holiness....in fact, I am perfect.....The Lord of The Universe  gave me the 

perfection of His Son and gave His Son  my sins.......what a deal! Makes me want to do good.Love is a better motivator than fear

You are no different than anybody else here.....if you knew me the way God knows me you would vomit all over your keyboard.If I knew you as God does I would do the same.Like me,you have secret 5houghts that would shame Hell.......so please get over yourself and face the truth......we’ll know perfection on the Other Side......when we are loosed from these earthen vessels.

Would you please explain to me God’s words to the Laodecians in light of what your understanding is of our perfection? Thanks. 

Gids

[brakelite]

@Gideon I get it. 

KJV Ephesians 3
Paul's Prayer 
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

[Gideon]

Here is what I am seeing... an overview. Three common objections have risen as I have shared.

1) My visitation.

I am presenting readers with something God miraculously gave me and asked me to share. Whether you believe how it came about or not, God does indeed promise to cause us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. It is scriptural that He promises to keep us from falling, and to deliver us from the power of darkness. Agreed?

So, set aside any discussion for a moment as to whether or not God actually came to me in a miraculous visitation. The real question is, can God... will God.... does God desire to.....free us from the owner of sin in our lives?

2) The Awakening-

When I shared that I believe there will be an awakening to this truth, posters totally glossed over these clear scriptures and focused on this “awakening” as unscriptural. 

3) Rhe Second Half of the Gospel-

Now, when I share “the second half of the gospel”, which is exactly the same thing I shared above, again, posters are glossing over these wonderful truths that are not what we are being taught and experiencing, and focus their counter attack on what is the correct definition of gospel. 

Does this even make sense?  For a minute, forget about my miraculous visitation. Forget about this awakening of which I have spoken. Forget about what I call “the second half of the gospel”. God has promised to cause us to walk obediently. It is a part of our  new covenant. Do we think we need such a blessing? Do we want it if it is possible? Our shield of faith is promised by the God who cannot lie to quench all the fiery arrows of our enemy. Do we possess such shields? Are we using them? If not, why not? 

Let’s set aside these pointless arguments and focus in on the real issue. 

Does God promise to sanctify us, body, soul and spirit? Does He promise to keep us from falling? Is there a place in Him.... abiding in Him ,where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh? Scriptures say yes. Our experience so far says no. Which will we accept as true? 

That is the question  before is.  But in order to answer it, first we must decide if we want that to happen to us? Are we content to sin just a little bit, or are we like Paul in Romans 7, hating even our little sins, and our hearts that never seem to be able to completely surrender all to Him? If we do, God will move mountains to open our eyes..... i.e. awaken us.... to the fullness of our salvation, where God not only justifies us by faith, but sanctifies us by faith as well. 

However, if there are those who do not.really want that, even if it were possible, and they are quite content rock be forgiven alone,  then there is nothing that I can say or do to sway them. God is going to have to go to the next level of convincing them. 

Blessings, 

Gideon

[Gideon]

44 minutes ago, brakelite said:

@Gideon I get it. 

KJV Ephesians 3
Paul's Prayer 
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Indeed you do! Glory to God! 

Blessings, 

Gideon