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On 7/11/2018 at 12:18 PM, Revelation Man said:

You are confusing the Scarlet Colored Beast with the Beast (MAN) that arises in Rev. 13, they are not the same. 

The Beast/Anti-Christ is a MAN thus 2 Thess. 2:3 calls him the Man of Sin.

Obviously, we will never come to agreement on these points. The Beast of Rev. 13 has 7 heads, which no man ever had or will have. Angelic spirits, such as Satan and the angels cast into the Abyss, yes; men, no.

The Son of Perdition IS a man, just as the only other SoP mentioned in the Bible, Judas. Again, the Latter-Day Son of Perdition meets his demise before the Beast ascends out of the Abyss (Rev. 17:8; 11:7).

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2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Obviously, we will never come to agreement on these points. The Beast of Rev. 13 has 7 heads, which no man ever had or will have. Angelic spirits, such as Satan and the angels cast into the Abyss, yes; men, no.

You are missing it, there is nothing to disagree about except you mistake the collective SEVEN HEADED BEAST which is FIGURATIVE ONLY with the Last Beast Head that arises. Let me explain it like this brother, then demonstrate it via scriptures.

The Seven Headed Beast can not be ONE BEING/Entity, it is all the Nations that have Ruled over the Mediterranean Sea Region AND Israel through the years. It starts with Egypt, Assyria was next, then Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome......Mortal Head Wound.....the Anti-Christ HEALS THE WOUND by Conquering Jerusalem. So the MAN BEAST is the one that Heals the Mortal Wound !! Its not the 7 Headed Figurative Beast, its the HEAD that is HEALED Watch:

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,(GREECE) and his feet were as the feet of a bear,(PERSIA) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(BABYLON) and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;(ROME) AND his deadly wound was healed (Anti-Christ/Beast): and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

In verse one we are shown the Seven Headed Beast that arises out of the Sea, well of course all of the heads have long since lost their power, REMEMBER the 5 HAVE FALLEN (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon the Lion, Persia the Bear and Greece the Leopard) ONE IS and that of course  is mentioned in verse 3 as ONE OF THE HEADS  which wasWounded to Death. This is what happened to the Roman Head, when Israel was DISPERSED the world over and seen as Dead Men's Bones by God, there could be NO BEAST over Israel, also I think the Church which CAN NOT be defeated by the Gates of hell, so says Jesus, and this is another reason the One World Gov. Beast was Mortally Wounded. BUT THEN...........After the Rapture, the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer because Jesus opens the Seal allowing him to go forth. He Conquers Jerusalem/Israel and thus HEALS the Mortal Wound of this Figurative Beast, the other Beasts were Kingdoms and these Kingdoms were passed from King to King, this LAST KING/BEAST will Conquer Israel to BECOME the Beast and Jesus will defeat him while he is in yet power, thus there is NO KINGDOM per se, he is the LAST BEAST unto himself. THUS we get Daniel 7:11 and Rev. 19:20 BELOW: 

Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

So the Beast is killed, his BODY Destroyed, and he is CAST INTO HELL !! 

You do like many brother, all you see is the Figurative Beast, you do not see that there were Seven Heads, and ONE of the Heads was Wounded and thus also Healed, this is the Little Horn that arises out of the Fourth Beast (Sixth Head) and becomes a BEAST unto himself via the BODY of a MAN being DESTROYED and he is called a BEAST !! The LAST BEAST is a Man, not a Seven Headed Figure brother, John via Jesus is showing us EVERY BEAST thus we are told about the Lion, Leopard and the Bear.........then about the Wounded Head (Rome)..................and the Head that was HEALED (Anti-Christ).

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The Son of Perdition IS a man, just as the only other SoP mentioned in the Bible, Judas. Again, the Latter-Day Son of Perdition meets his demise before the Beast ascends out of the Abyss (Rev. 17:8; 11:7).

Perdition only means one is DESTINED FOR HELL, per the word, look it up. Satan is destined for hell as was Judas, as is Apollyon as is the Anti-Christ. 

 

Edited by Revelation Man

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1 hour ago, WilliamL said:
  On 7/11/2018 at 12:18 PM, Revelation Man said:

The Beast/Anti-Christ is a MAN thus 2 Thess. 2:3 calls him the Man of Sin.

10 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Seven Headed Beast can not be ONE BEING/Entity,

Since you don't even agree with yourself in different posts, how would you ever expect me to agree with you?

 

13 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You do like many brother, all you see is the Figurative Beast, you do not see there were Seven Heads, and ONE of the Heads was Healed, thus that is the Little Horn that arises out of the Fourth Beast (Sixth Head) and becomes a BEAST unto himself via the BODY of a MAN being DESTROYED and he s called a BEAST !! The LAST BEAST is a Man, not a Seven Headed Figure brother, John via Jesus is showing us EVERY BEAST thus we are told about the Lion, Leopard and the Bear.........then about the Wounded Head (Rome)..................and the Head that was HEALED (Anti-Christ).

So utterly confused. The Beast "will ascend out of the Abyss." Rev. 17:8 It is a single yet collective spirit; just as the spiritual Powers over the nations are single spirits, which rule over a whole lot of other lesser spirits. Men do not ascend out of the Abyss: that is the prison solely of fallen angelic spirits:

Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day...

2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment...

Tartarus is a term from Greek mythology, which was/is the place that the ancient evil great gods/elohim, called the Titans, were imprisoned. Peter was using a Greek term for a Greek audience, telling the Greek version of the Hebraic story told in the Book of Enoch, and in the Book of Jude.

The Beast is a single Spirit, called Azazel and Abaddon, among other names, who is currently in the Abyss, but will be released during the Wrath of God, at the 5th Trumpet:

Rev. 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the Abyss.  2 And he opened it...

After he is arisen from the opened Abyss, He is "given a mouth" (Rev. 13:5), that is, a human spokesman, being the same person as the Little Horn of Daniel 7.

Hope this helps someone out there.

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Abaddon is the beast of Revelation 9:11, 13:1-4; 17:8-11; and 19:19-20 .... no doubt

This fallen angel is Satan's antichrist

He will at first operate in the human little horn of Daniel's visions and then he will become the 8th king himself

If you do not get this you will never understand Revelation's view  

Edited by Daniel 11:36

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46 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Since you don't even agree with yourself in different posts, how would you ever expect me to agree with you?

 

No I understand full well what I said, evidently you are confused, instead of citing your misunderstanding you made a blanket statement which solves nothing, I am not confused, the BEAST that has the 10 CROWNS is A MAN........See Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Its a Figurative Beast that covers 7 Kingdoms, the LAST BEAST is a MAN. I have saying this same thing for years.

51 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

So utterly confused. The Beast "will ascend out of the Abyss." Rev. 17:8 It is a single yet collective spirit; just as the spiritual Powers over the nations are single spirits, which rule over a whole lot of other lesser spirits. Men do not ascend out of the Abyss: that is the prison solely of fallen angelic spirits:

One of these days you will understand, no Demon comes to life, humans rule Kingdoms on earth. A Demonic Entity might influence them, but they do not have a Kingdom on Earth. Apollyon will no get a "physical body" to become a King on earth with, he is a Spiritual quasi king OF THE SEVEN, and the 7 are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the Anti-Christ/BEAST. 

I have already showed you there are three different BEASTS.........All three described differently. 

Rev.12 = Red Dragon with 7 CROWNS.

Rev. 13 = Last Beast Head with 10 CROWNS via the 10 Horns thus hes only over the EARTHLY KINGS ALIVE at his time !!

Rev. 17 = the Scarlet Colored Beast which is Apollyon, he has NO CROWNS because Satan is over him. Hes the king of a REGION !!

Two Demons Satan and Apollyon are BEASTS..............One Human is the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Man of Sin/BEAST. All it means is he will RULE over Jerusalem/Israel. The Demon placed over the Region Apollyon will thus also BEAST over Israel, and Satan who is the Master of Apollyon will also BEAST over Israel. 

 

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      Islam has operated under various caliphates since the death of Muhammad in 632 AD (BCE). While all of them caused the Middle Eastern world grief, the largest most powerful were the Ottoman Caliphate.
      Ottoman Caliphate (1453/1517–1924)
      At the end of October 1922, the Allies invited the nationalist and Ottoman governments to a conference at Lausanne, Switzerland, but Atatürk was determined that the nationalist government should be Turkey's sole representative. In November 1922, the Grand National Assembly separated the offices of sultan and caliph and abolished the former. The assembly further stated that the Ottoman regime had ceased to be the government of Turkey when the Allies seized the capital in 1920, in effect abolishing the Ottoman Empire. Excerpt from, the Ottomans.org
      Is it possible that believers have been under attack for eighteen hundred years, without a doubt!
      Pay attention to another aspect of Islam.
      “The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Ismailia, Egypt by Hassan al-Banna in March 1928 as an Islamist religious, political, and social movement.[1][2] The group spread to other Muslim countries but has its largest, or one of its largest, organizations in Egypt, where for many years it has been the largest, best-organized, and most disciplined political opposition force,[3][4][5] despite a succession of government crackdowns in 1948, 1954, 1965 after plots, or alleged plots, of assassination and overthrow were uncovered. Following the 2011 Revolution the group was legalized,[5] and in April 2011 it launched a civic political party called the Freedom and Justice Party (Egypt) to contest elections.” (Wikipedia)
      Notice that this is two years after the Caliphate was disbanded.
      “Links to the Nazis began during the 1930s and were close during the Second World War, involving agitation against the British, espionage and sabotage, as well as support for terrorist activities orchestrated by Haj Amin el-Hussaini in British Mandate Palestine, as a wide range of declassified documents from the British, American and Nazi German governmental archives, as well as from personal accounts and memoirs from that period, confirm.[7] Reflecting this connection the Muslim Brotherhood also disseminated Hitler's Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion widely in Arab translations, helping to deepen and extend already existing hostile views about Jews and Western societies generally.[8]” (Wikipedia)
      The point to this is that Islam has been a destructive thorn in the flesh of those who do not comply for over 1800 years. Have they been a global threat throughout their history, no, but it took a global response to subdue them in 1922. I think we can agree that they are global now, and a greater threat than ever before. Aside from that, their prime directive is to kill the people of the book, which would be the Jew and the Christian. Have you noticed that they are making a serious dent in their goals?
      If you have watched the news the last couple of years, then you are aware of Christians that are being slaughtered in the mid-East and African nations. Perhaps you have also noticed that attacks against any group outside of Islam are fair game to them. Buddhists, Catholics, you name it. They even fight each other as though there is a competition to see who can follow the Qur’an most precisely. Unfortunately, for the outsider, while the Qur’an does have passages devoted to peace, they are superseded by newer passages that demand a strict and violent compliance.
      I think it is evident that there is affliction directed at Christians in certain parts of the world. Not to be left out of this violence against Christians is China and North Korea. I suppose the question is, how long until this level of violence comes to the Americas and afflicts us as well?
      Do not think that your non-belief will protect you. In general, Islam feels that any American is a Christ follower and worthy of death. Scripture tells me that you may have a chance to reject God and accept Allah as your God of choice, bowing before him in worship. Perhaps that will save your neck for the moment. I am aware that they cut a man’s head off anyway, possibly because they felt he was a coward with no backbone. I suspect it will not be as easy as that, and they may not have the time to await your decision. Of course, giving into this cuts you off from any hope of a relationship with God. In other words, there is no turning back from this decision.
      If you do not know this Jesus Christ, you can. Ask him into your life, and turn yourself over to him and accept his forgiveness. Allow him to run it. You do not have to work for your salvation, as it is free and paid for, you merely have to receive this life and salvation. You will experience a peace that you have never known before and a promise that he will come for you so that you can live with him in glory.
    • By Omegaman 3.0
      I have, for the most part, not commented on many of the passages we have read in our Bible readings. Part of this is because I am lazy, but part of it is also, because we have the Worthy Christian Forums where discussion already goes on, and it is a place where Many views are represented.
      When I set up the Bible 365 Club, one of the things I wanted to accomplish, was just to get people into God's word and read it, without the need for squabbling.
      Here in Daniel 12, I don't think it is proper for me, to not draw attention to some connections to the New Testament. Reading the Bible for the sake of reading it, is not to get it's full benefit, we want also to understand what we are reading.
      With that said, I am not attempting here, to use this as a soap box for my particular views, but I do think I have a responsibility to connect some of the dots, since some Bible 365 Club members may be encountering some verses and concepts for the first time.
      By providing some Bible passages outside of our reading assignments or schedule, we can broaden our understanding a little, and begin to make some of the connections that we can examine, and hopefully the Holy Spirit will aid our understanding.
      In Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Jesus is speaking with His disciples about the time of the end. Those are good chapters to read to broaden our understanding about the things of the end. However, here we are in Daniel 12, so what are the connections I am alluding to?
      Quoting from Matt 24:15 (NIV in this case) Jesus said to His disciples:
      “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—"
      and in Mark 13:14 it reads:
      “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand— 
      These passages make reference to a coming abomination, and desolation, and the Matthew one tells us that this is spoken of in Daniel. In Daniel 12:11, here is a connection:
      11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days."
      This is a perfect example of a principle of Bible study, comparing scripture with scripture. Here we have something in the Old Testament, that is difficult to understand, or at least might make us wonder. However, in the New Testament, we get some explanation and elaboration.
      Now, if you read the New Testament passages that I mentioned in Matt, Mark and Luke, you might well have more questions than answers, but at least you will understand with a little more detail, something about Daniel 12.
      Just to give you some more connections, more things to file in the back of you mind, allow me to point out some concepts or details to take note of, that will help you to make associations in other chapters of various books of the Bible.
      Not going to get into it deeply here, but notice in Dan 12:11, not only the abomination of desolation, but, the specific 1290 days. Be mindful of that number, and of numbers that the Bible is going to bring up from time to time, in the context of the end times.
      Examples, 1260 days, time, times, and half a time, 3 and a half, the week and the middle of the week.
      Also of interest in this connection, is the concept of "great tribulation". Jesus uses that description in Matt 24:
      21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
      In this case, the NIV says great distress. The word distress is the Greek word  "thlípsis". Many versions use the word "tribulation". It basically means pressure. To understand the word better, see http://biblehub.com/greek/2347.htm
      I do, however, want to make another connection, so we can again, see that Jesus and the book of Daniel, are referring to the same thing. Again, Jesus said in Matt 24:21
      "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again."
      Notice that in this distress or tribulation, is unique, not having an equal previously, not in the future. How does Daniel describe this? From 12:1:
      “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then."
      It is also note-worthy, that Michael is mentioned. You probably know, that Michael is an archangel. That ties in to this (probably) if you look at 1 Thess 4:16, and comparing that verse or passage, with the Matt 24 one.
      I am not trying to send you down all sorts of side trails, but these things are all related. Going to stop at this point, and move along. Thanks for reading what I have said here, and especially for reading the Bible itself.
    • By Revelation Man
      So, looking forward, not from Johns perspective of the vision, why would the Euphrates need to be dried up in a modern world, where bridges exist and and the capability of crossing rivers with huge Armies was proven to be a somewhat easy chore in World War Two ? That is the logical question. And is the Army even an Army of men or is it an army of Angels/Saints ? Is this event symbolism of Israel/Judah being saved by Cyrus, the "anointed one" (Isaiah 45:1) a type of Christ/Messiah, via the drying up of the River Euphrates. 
      The deliverance from the Babylonian captivity as foreseen by Isaiah becomes in itself a prophetic picture of the deliverance of the spiritual Israel, God’s remnant people, with the conquering Cyrus (Christ) as the great Deliverer for whom they have waited. The designation of Cyrus as “my Anointed” in Isaiah 45:1 is significant for in the Hebrew it is “my Messiah” and the Greek form of course is “Christ”, both forms meaning “anointed”. This, with the designation ‘My Shepherd’ (48:28) also a messianic title, marks Cyrus as a type or symbol of Christ”. Isaiah 46 and 47 continues the prophecy of Cyrus (but also adds what can only be future events) but its all linked with the description of the destruction of Babylon. In Revelation 18, the pattern is repeated in almost identical fashion concerning end time spiritual Babylon.
      As concerning the Destruction of Babylon, in Daniel 5, they all drank wine out of the vessels of the temple of the Lord and praised and worshiped all of their false gods therein. (Gold, silver, brass, wood, stone) And the same hour the "finger/hand of God" wrote their destruction, "Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin" meaning God has numbered thy Kingdom, and finished it, thy Kingdom has been weighed in the balances and found wanting, and thy Kingdom is laid waste and divided. So is Revelation 9 and the Drying up of the River Euphrates a symbolic gesture of a coming Salvation unto Israel/Judah ? A defeating of "Babylon" ? It would seem so. The "Thousand" mentioned in Rev. 9 is the Greek word MURIAS G3461 meaning (1) ten thousand (2) an innumerable multitude, an unlimited number (3) innumerable hosts ----From G3463; a ten thousand; by extension a "myriad" or indefinite number:—ten thousand.
      The 200 Million mentioned in Revelation 9:16. This number is expressed in the Greek as 'two myriads of myriads' or in numeric form, "two 10,000 of 10,000". There is no Hundred in the verse anywhere. I am pretty sure this means Two Myriads of people. Is this an Army of men of War attacking Israel, or an Army of Men/Saints/Angels delivering Israel ? In Revelation 9 a horde of Demons is loosed from the bottomless pit when the Fifth Angel sounds the Fifth trumpet, and is given the key to the bottomless pit. (Rev 9:1) Their "Breastplates were of Iron" but the Army of the Myriad or 2 thousand thousand, has Breastplates of What ? {breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, }  ( Two Myriads we must ask, could it be the Great Multitude and the 144,000 ? Just a thought. )  The breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue and sulfur yellow of the horsemen equate to the breastplate worn by the high priest. Exodus 28:15 You shall make the breastplate of judgment. Artistically woven according to the workmanship of the ephod you shall make it: of gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine wove, linen, you shall make it.
       Only in this case all 200 million (or all of the Myriad or the innumerable number) are being presented as high priests. The power of these horsemen (fire, smoke and brimstone) comes from their mouths and their tails. { The mouth represents The Holy Spirit/Word of God, and the tails represent the venomous (9:19 their tails were like unto serpents) actions against mankind they have been given the power to bring forth.)
      Rev. 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
      19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
      20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
      21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
      So, these Myriads are placing plagues upon whom ? People that worshiped idols of gold, silver, brass, stone and wood (Just like Daniel 5 and the Judgment of Babylon) and they would not REPENT of their evil ways. This is Gods plagues, upon an evil mankind. The (200 Million ?) as they have been called are actually two Myriads of angels/men/saints or servants of God that are Judging mankind with plagues. Everyone has this backwards in my honest opinion. Where is this 200 Million pictured as coming against Israel ? The Kings of the East in Rev. 16 is a different event than the 200 million on Rev. 9, it is a Vial Judgment/event, not a Trumpet Judgment/event. I think it is the Kings of the East alright, but it is Persia ( Just like Daniel 5 ) Syria, Turkey and the hordes of Islamic Muslims, who might very well, not being a modern army, see the River Euphrates drying up, as a calling for them to attack Israel, these might actually travel across the River bed, and Turkey, who has a Dam that can block the water or Dry up the River might instigate this, more than likely it just dries up .
      Lot of what ifs here, but the main thrust of the matter is, the Kings of the East and the Two Hundred Million (or Myriad and Myriad) are not the same event, at all. One is a Trumpet and the other is a Vial. The fall of Babylon was the signal for the deliverance of the Jewish remnant from their long and languishing exile under their Babylonian conquerors. Under the Persian rule, the command for their release was given, first by Cyrus the conqueror of Babylon and then by the great kings who succeeded him. Revelation again speaks of the "drying of the River of the Euphrates. Once again this needs to be connected with the deliverance of God’s remnant from the persecuting oppression of last day Babylonian overlords. (Last Beast System) The sixth Vial (Kings of the East coming against Israel) is immediately followed by the seventh which relates to the destruction of Babylon, and the following two chapters of Revelation 17 and 18 are a prophetic enlargement of what is stated in brief in chapter 16.
      The drying up of Euphrates therefore must be taken in a prophetic sense, of the way being prepared for the final overthrow of the great Satanic oppression that has made the nations drunk with its wine. So attack and oppression is followed by deliverance. In Revelation 19 we see Christ, the KING of kings, riding forth with the armies (Saints and Angels) of heaven. They come to deliver God's remnant people (Israel and Christians who were left) and put an end to Babylon and the forces supporting Babylon.
      Ancient Babylon a city "most proud," with "a golden cup…that made all the earth drunken…of her wine." Jeremiah 50:32; 51:7. Has a remarkable link to last day Babylon in Revelation 17-18. (False Religion and Gov. without God at its head) Yet she was to fall suddenly and be destroyed (Jeremiah 51:8). Then God would call Israel, saying, "My people, go ye out of the midst of her." Jeremiah 51:45. These exact words are repeated in the book of Revelation to Israel about the importance of coming out of modern Babylon (Revelation 17:4, 5; 18:2-8).
      Jeremiah 50:29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.
      50:31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee.
      51:7 Babylon [hath been] a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
      51:45 My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.
      Amazing !! This matches up with with God coming against Babylon the Great Harlot in 17 and with Babylon the Beast in Rev. 18. The Sixth trumpet begins with the mention of a voice coming from the golden altar before God. As this altar is also called the 'altar of incense', there is an implication that this 6th trumpet event occurs in answer to prayer, Rev 5:8. In the narrative of the 6th trumpet we have a clear historical reference back to when the Chaldeans crossed the Euphrates and defeated the house of Judah. Refer 2 Chronicles 36:15-20. In the book of Zephaniah, who lived in the days immediately prior to the Chaldean invasion the Day of the LORD is clearly described as a day of trouble for the land of Judah (note verses 1:4,7,10,12,14-15,18, 2:1-3). Other nations are later mentioned, but primary attention is given to the wrath directed upon Judah.  
      So, have I made a good case, am I crazy, or might I be on to something ? I been studying this a few weeks, this sprung up by accident from my studies on Babylon.  
      My first thread.........Have at it........God Bless.
       
    • By Tanner Brody
      "The king then gave orders, and they brought those men who had maliciously accused Daniel, and they cast them, their children and their wives into the lions’ den; and they had not reached the bottom of the den before the lions overpowered them and crushed all their bones."
      Sorry if this is a silly question (I'm a new Christian), but why slaughter the women and children? Are there elements of the bible that is not nessesarly condoned by God but just a recording of history?
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