Why so much disagreement on the start of THE DAY?

[Alan Hales]

3 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Thus you are not understanding what I am saying it seems. We as SPIRIT MEN go to be with the Lord in Heaven, the DEAD are raised first without CORRUPTION (with no Flesh body) then we who are ALIVE (meaning we have a corruptible FLESH BODY) will be changed (to a SPIRIT MAN who is not Corruptible because we have NO FLESH) in a flash/moment or twinkling of an eye !! 

All that above means is that WE DIE.......our Spirit man leaves our CORRUPTED FLESH BODY, but we as Spirit men are TAKEN TO HEAVEN, we don't sleep in the Grave like the rest of the dead did. 

And the Corruptible means flesh, the incorruptible means SPIRIT MAN. 

Nowhere does 1 Cor 15: 49--53. 1 Thess 4: 14--17. Say those who are alive at the rapture, Will die.  1 Cor 15: 49--53 says we will be Changed into new bodies.

[Revelation Man]

33 minutes ago, Alan Hales said:

Nowhere does 1 Cor 15: 49--53. 1 Thess 4: 14--17. Say those who are alive at the rapture, Will die.  1 Cor 15: 49--53 says we will be Changed into new bodies.

New bodies are the White Robes passed out in Heaven. The Dead are RAISED incorruptible, what do you think that means ? (NO FLESH) I mean it's obvious its not registering with you. But that is not really relevant to the truth.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Revelation Man

[Alan Hales]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

New bodies are the White Robes passed out in Heaven. The Dead are RAISED incorruptible, what do you think that means ? (NO FLESH) I mean it's obvious its not registering with you. But that is not really relevant to the truth.

That's not what the Bible says,  Please read 1 Cor 15: 51--52. V 51, We shall be changed", When?, V 52, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT the Last trump. At the rapture. The dead shall be raised, And we shall be changed. It doesn't mention being changed when we are in heaven.

We HAVE to be in our heavenly bodies before we get into heaven.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Alan Hales

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

That's not what the Bible says,  Please read 1 Cor 15: 51--52. V 51, We shall be changed", When?, V 52, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT the Last trump. At the rapture. The dead shall be raised, And we shall be changed. It doesn't mention being changed when we are in heaven.

We HAVE to be in our heavenly bodies before we get into heaven.

No, we get our White Robes (Celestial bodies IN HEAVEN via Rev. ch. 19).  We are Spirit men, you don't understand it, but that's on you. 

[warrior12]

10 minutes ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God (God is a title, Who do you think is God?) has prepared for them that love Him.  But God has revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.

Your above chapter is word for word as scripture below, which I believe is your intention, except that no scripture verse was referenced and it could be seen by those who are not familiar with them as your own words. It would be nice to place the scripture verses reference  as you did with the others in  that post so that there would be no confusion.  Hope you do not see my reply as dictating, but as a correction.  Also you included your own words in brackets which is commendable.  But a mixture of your own words and scripture can be misleading if read the wrong way by those who do not know that scripture verse by memory. 

1 Corinthians 2 King James Version (KJV)

⁹ But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

¹⁰ But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

¹¹ For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

[Alan Hales]

11 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

It is an evasive sentence of yours. The Church goes where? in what place?

JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (the new world which will be established by the Most High and Almighty God in this Millennium) , and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.  Paul Apostle said to the philippians: JESUS "shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself. (Phil.3:v.21)

Heb.2:v.5 - For unto the angels hath He not put in subjection the WORLD to come, whereof we speak.

This new world is the third, for the earth and the heavens, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men (of the present world). JESUS said more: I pray not for the world (the present world), but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.(John 17:v.9)

Now see, "The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD (the present world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever." (Rev.11:v.15)  Again: JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36 - 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (the new world which will be established by the Most High and Almighty God in this Millennium) , and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;   -    Well, this new world is the Kingdom of God, that is the Third World and third Heavenly place, where Paul Apostle was caught up (raptured is not the right word) heard unspeakable words.

Paul Apostle also did write, saying to the Church of Corinthians:  "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, at the last trump (that is the seventh trumpet) : for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed".   

So, what I say to you, I say to all. The question is:   Do you have understanding to discern the sound of the seventh trumpet? a trumpet sound is a message, understand? If not, in what way will you be transformed if you do not believe and understand not the sound of the seventh trumpet?
"For this corruptible (the body) must put on incorruption, and this mortal (the body) must put on immortality.   So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God". 

"We know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now,  ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. We are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man sees, why does he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."
I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.  For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the sons of God."
 

 

In this sense, you forgot to mention, besides "The Jews, blacksliders, [The five unwise virgins]" , those who will continue to sell oil to Christians out of the time, even on the wedding Day of the Lamb, they are pastors, bishops, Apostles, and all kind of preachers of Bible, they all lost their souls as was revealed by JESUS.   

You sound like an erroneous Jehovah's witness. who has no idea about the end times.

The Church, [Christians] are raptured to heaven BEFORE the FIRST trumpet in the book of Revelation. The "Last trump", in 1 Cor 15, has nothing to do with the trumpets in Revelation. It's the last trump that our earthly ears will hear just before we are taken to heaven.

[Alan Hales]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, we get our White Robes (Celestial bodies IN HEAVEN via Rev. ch. 19).  We are Spirit men, you don't understand it, but that's on you. 

That's not what the Bible says,  Please read 1 Cor 15: 51--52. V 51, We shall be changed", When?, V 52, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT the Last trump. At the rapture. The dead shall be raised, And we shall be changed. It doesn't mention being changed when we are in heaven.

We HAVE to be in our heavenly bodies before we get into heaven.

[Alan Hales]

5 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Of course 1 Cor 15 is talking about our corrupt physical bodies.  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.  For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now, ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.  We are saved by hope, but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man sees, why does he yet hope for?

Our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ,  Who shall change (transform) our VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

Luke 24:36-43

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

 

1 Cor 15 isn't talking about our physical bodies, If you read it properly you'll see we will be changed. Vs48--53.  [V51]

Our natural body will be changed into our  heavenly bodies.

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

That's not what the Bible says,  Please read 1 Cor 15: 51--52. V 51, We shall be changed", When?, V 52, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT the Last trump. At the rapture. The dead shall be raised, And we shall be changed. It doesn't mention being changed when we are in heaven.

We HAVE to be in our heavenly bodies before we get into heaven.

Amen to that! We are changed the moment we are caught up. 

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

You sound like an erroneous Jehovah's witness. who has no idea about the end times.

The Church, [Christians] are raptured to heaven BEFORE the FIRST trumpet in the book of Revelation. The "Last trump", in 1 Cor 15, has nothing to do with the trumpets in Revelation. It's the last trump that our earthly ears will hear just before we are taken to heaven.

I agree. Good post!