Follower Of Jesus Posted October 8, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 72 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 28 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2018 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." Make sure you really understand the difference between "from" and "through". The Father: from whom all things came. - we live for our Father. The Lord Jesus: We were made through him (in the image of Jesus). Thus why we are not Spirits (Father). We live through Jesus the mediator, in order to live for our Father. Jesus didn't make things through the Father. The Father made things, through Jesus. Jesus didn't make all things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted October 9, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2018 Jesus was the word. He spoke and all things came to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted October 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 10:35 AM, Follower Of Jesus said: "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." Make sure you really understand the difference between "from" and "through". The Father: from whom all things came. - we live for our Father. The Lord Jesus: We were made through him (in the image of Jesus). Thus why we are not Spirits (Father). We live through Jesus the mediator, in order to live for our Father. Jesus didn't make things through the Father. The Father made things, through Jesus. Jesus didn't make all things. GOD MADE ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST . CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD . JESUS IS THE EXPRESS ESSENCE OF GOD . How did GOD create . HE SPOKE . That WORD IS JESUS , AND IS GOD . Lets not get overly confused . Ps , lets not get confused over the simple sentence structure either . JESUS is the WORD OF GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted October 10, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,656 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2018 Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. Col 1:19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. and not according to Christ. Col 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, Joh 17:21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted October 12, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2018 What great things for people have you made thru Jesus ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted October 12, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2018 John1:3. “Everything was made by Him,and not one thing was made without Him” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted October 12, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 7:24 PM, Wayne222 said: Jesus was the word. He spoke and all things came to be. In Genesis we have God and we don't have Jesus... In the dealings with Abraham we have God and not Jesus... In the rest if the events we have the Lord God , the Creator who was the Father if the Jews- Istaelites- only, besides Abraham and Isaac and then Jacob and all his House , a people he took for himself, and not the rest of the world... You never read that the Lord God , of the House of Jacob, and Abraham and Isaac ever refered to him self as the "word"... In the prophetic we never she the reference to the coming of the "word", we see the reference to the coming of the Messiah, or Christ or the Anoynted one , Emmanuel and perhaps something else as the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, ..... Even to this day the Jews who study the Tora and the Phrophets, and the Psalms, they see not one reference to the "Word". Even all the time the disciples who were with Jesus before the Cross they never use the "Word". We have the reference, when the "word of the Lord came to this prophet", . The first time we come across to the reference the "Word", as a noun is in the Gospel of John. Why would the apostol John made the reference to the"word" as a noun. What did he have in his mind. Did he have the meaning or the consept.."Jesus was the word",, Abd "he spoke and everything came into being", When in Genesis we read that "God made the Word", and the Creator was the Lord God of Abraham... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOONE7 Posted October 12, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 11,715 Content Per Day: 4.59 Reputation: 9,752 Days Won: 106 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: In Genesis we have God and we don't have Jesus... In the dealings with Abraham we have God and not Jesus... In the rest if the events we have the Lord God , the Creator who was the Father if the Jews- Istaelites- only, besides Abraham and Isaac and then Jacob and all his House , a people he took for himself, and not the rest of the world... You never read that the Lord God , of the House of Jacob, and Abraham and Isaac ever refered to him self as the "word"... In the prophetic we never she the reference to the coming of the "word", we see the reference to the coming of the Messiah, or Christ or the Anoynted one , Emmanuel and perhaps something else as the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, ..... Even to this day the Jews who study the Tora and the Phrophets, and the Psalms, they see not one reference to the "Word". Even all the time the disciples who were with Jesus before the Cross they never use the "Word". We have the reference, when the "word of the Lord came to this prophet", . The first time we come across to the reference the "Word", as a noun is in the Gospel of John. Why would the apostol John made the reference to the"word" as a noun. What did he have in his mind. Did he have the meaning or the consept.."Jesus was the word",, Abd "he spoke and everything came into being", When in Genesis we read that "God made the Word", and the Creator was the Lord God of Abraham... Dealings with Abraham? Jesus existed before Abraham as the I AM. The Lord always was the same yesterday, today and forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted October 12, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, NOONE7 said: Dealings with Abraham? Jesus existed before Abraham as the I AM. The Lord always was the same yesterday, today and forever. That's not very easy to comprehend, he existed as the Lord God the Creator, which is the same as the I AM , ok but not as Jesus who was borned in Bethlehem. Only as the who was appointed to be Jesus. If I can understand corectly we can only have one and not both at the same time... The Creator , the God of Abraham, who one day will leave everything and humble himself and take the form of a servant, be born in Bethlehem, start all over again as a man the "second Adam", That I understand that when Jesus was born everything was created... And if we want to look at the Creator we have to look who Jesus was , in his former estate as the Lord God before he left everything to take upon himself flesh and to enter our world as a new born baby, with the life in him"EMANUEL"... But if we want to get in touch with the Creator God the same way Abraham and Moses did we cannot... Also they could not get in touch with Jesus but only with the one who had the life their God and was appointed to be Jesus... The same for us also we can only get in touch with Jesus who was the Creator the great IAM, the Lord God... But now is Jesus the Emmanuel, the Savior , the only one who had the life... We look at Jesus , it must remind us not to call upon the name of the "Great IAM", but only upon the name of Jesus... As in the old Testiment, they could only call upon the name of the Lord God and not upon Jesus the Savior... He was the Lord , the Judge of the Jews only, but he left everything looking for the greater glory and be the Lord and Judge of the whole world, amongs other things... Jesus said if I do not die nothing will accoblish, there is no other way... Jesus was called the word of God because he was the only man who had the word of God in him as he had the life of God in him and was not seperated from God like the rest of the humanity... He was the only one who brought the word of God to the people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 19, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,116 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,847 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 19, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 4:53 AM, Your closest friendnt said: That's not very easy to comprehend, he existed as the Lord God the Creator, which is the same as the I AM , ok but not as Jesus who was borned in Bethlehem. Only as the who was appointed to be Jesus. If I can understand corectly we can only have one and not both at the same time... The Creator , the God of Abraham, who one day will leave everything and humble himself and take the form of a servant, be born in Bethlehem, start all over again as a man the "second Adam", That I understand that when Jesus was born everything was created... And if we want to look at the Creator we have to look who Jesus was , in his former estate as the Lord God before he left everything to take upon himself flesh and to enter our world as a new born baby, with the life in him"EMANUEL"... But if we want to get in touch with the Creator God the same way Abraham and Moses did we cannot... Also they could not get in touch with Jesus but only with the one who had the life their God and was appointed to be Jesus... The same for us also we can only get in touch with Jesus who was the Creator the great IAM, the Lord God... But now is Jesus the Emmanuel, the Savior , the only one who had the life... We look at Jesus , it must remind us not to call upon the name of the "Great IAM", but only upon the name of Jesus... As in the old Testiment, they could only call upon the name of the Lord God and not upon Jesus the Savior... He was the Lord , the Judge of the Jews only, but he left everything looking for the greater glory and be the Lord and Judge of the whole world, amongs other things... Jesus said if I do not die nothing will accoblish, there is no other way... Jesus was called the word of God because he was the only man who had the word of God in him as he had the life of God in him and was not seperated from God like the rest of the humanity... He was the only one who brought the word of God to the people... It is only complicated if one does not accept the trinity.... The Lord God, Creator, Word Yahweh, the God of Israel was seen by Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and 70 of the elders of Israel.... made notice of the area under his feet and seemed to be surprised that he did not harm them..... but then, Jesus says that no man has ever seen the Father. So Lord God (Jesus) is not the Father..... the God of Israel was/is not the Father..... Moses did not see the Father.... Only who came from Him has seen the Father..... which is Jesus we know as the Christ. He was with the Father at the beginning of creation and he actually did the creation at the will and power of the Father so to speak. We as Humans do not have access to the Father except through the Holy Spirit.... we would not have access to the Holy Spirit on an individual basis as we do without the sacrifice of the man Jesus the Christ.... who rose from the dead and was given the glory that he had before becoming a man and is on an equal basis with the Father until all their enemies are defeated and put under their footstool, then Jesus himself will be subject to the Father... Many things and almost anything can be your god...… Baal, Moloch, any number of pantheon gods, money, cars, gold or any other number of things. One can even be their own god. That word "god" has different meanings to different people. It is usually used as what a person dedicates him/herself to. Deities are gods for they reside in the spiritual realm even though their statues and/or representations are physical... Many of the statue's are representations of demonic entities that actually existed prior to the flood and was carried past it through demonic beings.... We should be careful of speaking of what/who god is for it is a word that has so many facets it totally depends on which direction you are looking at it to know of what it's really speaking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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