ASSUMPTIONS IN RADIODATING.

[enoob57]

On 1/30/2019 at 12:21 AM, KiwiChristian said:

At creation, all things were created with the appearance of age. Radioactive minerals would be partially decayed on the first day. How far decayed?

This is error … decay did not begin till God cursed this creation...

[thomas t]

Hi Still Alive,

3 hours ago, Still Alive said:

When you look at contemporaneous writings from the time it is a common literary style.

Look at the common style in business. Cheating seems to be a part of it. When God does business, will he cheat as well, in your opinion? Even if 99% of all professional writers at that age exaggerated in numbers - God di not. You cannot extrapolate from human writers to God.

3 hours ago, Still Alive said:

Yes, God performs miracles.

Yes, that's what it is. Don't let the doubts touch you. No, I don't know your book, I prefer the Bible.

3 hours ago, Still Alive said:

I simply disagree with that [that "10" means 10 and "1000" means thousand], and offered the link as one example of an explanation.

Here is more:

http://www.biblestudywithrandy.com/2016/06/large-numbers-old-testament/

And more:

https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/40/40-3/40-3-pp377-387_JETS.pdf

 

And this "ramifications" paragraph from the last link gets to the core of the issue and also touches on why having a fully "literalist" perspective on the bible can get one in trouble (hence my rooster sig):

"One must wonder what implications the results of this study could have
on OT scholarship, particularly in the area of conquest models. As has been
noted earlier, the large numbers have often been a stumbling block for accepting the Biblical accounts as legitimate records of history. If the numbers
are simply reflective of a rhetorical device common in ancient Near Eastern
literature, however, one may no longer question the integrity of the record
by use of this argument. The large numbers are often simply figures of speech
employed to magnify King Yahweh, King David, or others in a theologically based historiographical narrative."

Since they disagree with the numbers as used in the Bible, I won't even look at your sources.

The nice German company Volkswagen used also a very common device in emission tests. Nevertheless, the US made them pay billions of dollars. God does not write like Volkswagen does.

"figure of speech" - and we need the wise and well-educated to decide for us which numbers should be taken literally and which ones should be seen as a figure of speech ... no thank you.

I won't agree with you on numbers, even if this discussion goes on.

We can come to a close here?

Thomas

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Still Alive]

8 minutes ago, thomas t said:

Hi Still Alive,

Look at the common style in business. Cheating seems to be a part of it. When God does business, will he cheat as well, in your opinion? Even if 99% of all professional writers at that age exaggerated in numbers - God di not. You cannot extrapolate from human writers to God.

All the writers of the books of the bible were human. 

[Still Alive]

9 minutes ago, thomas t said:

"figure of speech" - and we need the wise and well-educated to decide for us which numbers should be taken literally and which ones should be seen as a figure of speech ... no thank you.

I won't agree with you on numbers, even if this discussion goes on.

We can come to a close here?

Thomas

I don't think you read my links. And yes, we can come to a close. Thanks for the discussion!

[other one]

5 hours ago, enoob57 said:

This is error … decay did not begin till God cursed this creation...

that's interesting....   I don't think I ever gave that a thought....   Hummmmmmm     so to speak.

[other one]

11 hours ago, thomas t said:

 

Actually, Michael Heiser doubts that an almighty God would have been poweful enough to feed 2 m Israelites in the desert. 

I've read several of his Books and heard him speak on several internet sites and I've never heard him question the power of God to do anything.

[HAZARD]

17 hours ago, thomas t said:

Hazard please, there is no scriptural proof.

You have already written your "scriptural proof" in this post here, I see no reason to reiterate yourself, I answered it here. Please lets avoid going round in circles for reasons of time, thank you.

Thomas

Have you checked EVERY SCRIPTURE provided and compared them?

Edited July 26, 2019 by HAZARD
spell error.

[Tzephanyahu]

23 hours ago, Still Alive said:

When the bible says that "the heavens were opened", it may mean that for the first time in human history, the clouds broke and we could see the stars, sun and moon.

But the sun and moon were set in place for signs to man of seasons and feasts.  It would be difficult to observe the Sabbath or New Moon (month) without being able to see these ordained signs until the flood.  The only new "sign" in the skies after the flood was the Rainbow.  Nothing is mentioned pertaining to the sun, moon and stars being viewable.

Also, keep in mind that the water came from beneath the Earth as well.  "The fountains of the great deep were broken".  This would have easily lead to an extinction level event.  Details can be sourced here

If the vapour canopy IS to be believed (and I think there is merit to it), Earth's inhabitants would have still been able to see the luminaries for signs and seasons and, unfortunately, misplaced worship.

 

[thomas t]

18 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Have you checked EVERY SCRIPTURE provided and compared them?

no I haven't. I checked the first three Bible verses you gave and found out that none of them could back up any claim. After that, I found it wouldn't be promising to go check the rest of what you've said.

I've explained to you in more detail here, already. I don't have unlimited time.

Regards,

Thomas

 

[HAZARD]

5 hours ago, thomas t said:

no I haven't. I checked the first three Bible verses you gave and found out that none of them could back up any claim. After that, I found it wouldn't be promising to go check the rest of what you've said.

I've explained to you in more detail here, already. I don't have unlimited time.

Regards,

Thomas

 

The Bible has more than two or three pages. We are told by Jesus to search the Scriptures and you can't even be bothered to check and compare the many dozens of Scriptures I have provided, when read with an open and honest heart proves there were two great floods on the earth?

Do you have time to read the bible at all?