False Doctrines = Deception

[Guest R.L.C.]

Jesus warned about becoming deceived. He said there would be many false teachers, like wolves disguised as harmless sheep. I believe we are seeing this playing out today as never before. Millions of people follow many false teachers, because of their ability to portray themselves as harmless sheep, on television, radio, and social media. Jesus warned of deception because there will be consequences. He wasn't talking to the Jews, or Buddhists, or Hindus - He was talking specifically to Christians. But what has become obvious to me, is that these many self-proclaimed Christians have no clue they have been deceived. They claim to love Jesus, and believe that alone is enough. But what they don't realize is false doctrines define an incorrect version of Christ. So claiming to belong to Jesus means very little if you believe in a perverted version of the one TRUE Jesus. Which is why He said, "...broad is the road that leadeth to destruction" and it is the narrow gate that leads to life, and only few shall find it. 

[enoob57]

On 3/22/2019 at 10:07 AM, R.L.C. said:

Jesus warned about becoming deceived. He said there would be many false teachers, like wolves disguised as harmless sheep. I believe we are seeing this playing out today as never before. Millions of people follow many false teachers, because of their ability to portray themselves as harmless sheep, on television, radio, and social media. Jesus warned of deception because there will be consequences. He wasn't talking to the Jews, or Buddhists, or Hindus - He was talking specifically to Christians. But what has become obvious to me, is that these many self-proclaimed Christians have no clue they have been deceived. They claim to love Jesus, and believe that alone is enough. But what they don't realize is false doctrines define an incorrect version of Christ. So claiming to belong to Jesus means very little if you believe in a perverted version of the one TRUE Jesus. Which is why He said, "...broad is the road that leadeth to destruction" and it is the narrow gate that leads to life, and only few shall find it. 

As great scholars have always proclaimed there are ditches on both sides of the path... The greatness of God's love is seen in God's work alone AND He remains the judge of all that are! I find no pleasure in the deceived and will work toward Jesus' leading to free them of the errors  

[Guest R.L.C.]

We are saved by the grace of Christ through our FAITH alone - not of any works. But if your FAITH is rooted in FALSE TEACHING, or any DOCTRINE OF MEN - the matter of your salvation and judgment won't be the question, "How STRONG is your faith?" - but rather, "How WRONG is your faith?" (Example: MORMONS proclaim faith in Jesus)

[Willa]

Since we at Worthy are of many denominations and are from many countries, we mostly disagree in minor details but agree on the central theme of the Gospel such as the points in the statement of faith of Worthy.  So we major on majors and overlook minor differences that do not affect a person's salvation.  In fact, most disagreement about these minor differences are over misunderstandings concerning exactly what the other person believes.  We tend to pigeon hole each other, which is not good since it can be a form of bigotry.  

So it is good to err on the side of grace.  It is good to assume the best of each other.  It is true that members of cults have a distorted view of God and the atonement of Jesus Christ.  Even they are loved by God, just as Jesus loved Judas to the end.  We grieve over their deception.  We pray that they may come to know the truth and be saved.  Jesus was from Nazareth and lived among the Samaritans who were hated by the Judeans because of their false doctrines.  Yet much of His ministry was to these people.  He came to the lost sheep.

[choir loft]

On 3/22/2019 at 11:07 AM, R.L.C. said:

Jesus warned about becoming deceived. He said there would be many false teachers, like wolves disguised as harmless sheep. I believe we are seeing this playing out today as never before. Millions of people follow many false teachers, because of their ability to portray themselves as harmless sheep, on television, radio, and social media. Jesus warned of deception because there will be consequences. He wasn't talking to the Jews, or Buddhists, or Hindus - He was talking specifically to Christians. But what has become obvious to me, is that these many self-proclaimed Christians have no clue they have been deceived. They claim to love Jesus, and believe that alone is enough. But what they don't realize is false doctrines define an incorrect version of Christ. So claiming to belong to Jesus means very little if you believe in a perverted version of the one TRUE Jesus. Which is why He said, "...broad is the road that leadeth to destruction" and it is the narrow gate that leads to life, and only few shall find it. 

 

The problem with demonic doctrines is that the church is in love with them.  

Quite a few people seem to have a favorite.  Appeals to logic or scriptural context or even the character of the leader that promoted it is never considered. (*)

Voltaire wrote that its nearly impossible to convince a man he's been believing a lie.   Ask any Nazi what was wrong with his politics and he'll deny it.  

The church ought to be carrying the light of truth, but all too often has been guilty of snuffing it out.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

(*) Jim Baker, one time televangelist, was convicted of real estate fraud and sent to prison.  He has stated that the first time he ever read the Bible cover to cover was during his incarceration.   Guess what?   Baker is back on TV and pitching real estate deals for Jesus - AGAIN.

Edited April 5, 2019 by choir loft

[Guest R.L.C.]

I haven't read much Voltaire - but that quote is RIGHT ON.

 

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, choir loft said:

 

The problem with demonic doctrines is that the church is in love with them.  

 

 

Hi choir loft,

By `church` do you mean man`s organisation that runs public meetings? We tend to call that `church` but it is not. It is just man`s organisation that runs public meetings. The `church,` is the Body of Christ -

`And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be Head over all things to the church, WHICH IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.` (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

If we call man`s organisations the `church` then we will be disappointed for it is mainly in error and connecting to the world`s value system. If, however we call the `church,` the Body of Christ, the believers from across the world and down through the centuries, then we will be encouraged that the Head, the Lord is building and maturing us, for He is well able, and has guided us and is bringing us into all the truth of Himself and His purposes before he comes for us.

regards, Marilyn.

[Who me]

Yes Christians are decived by false teaching. A large part of the blaime for that is the anti intellectual stance of many ministers and there churches.

Paul talks of growing away from the milk of the gospel into the strong meat of knowledge of God and of Holiness.

Unfortunately this love of 'milk' extends into a reluctance to read the Bible.

We are supposed to know the What and Why of our faith, not just that I believe.

[Tzephanyahu]

Shalom

"The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.” ~ Matthew 13:33 (Leaven is a symbol of sin in Hebraic thinking.)

How would deception get into the church though?  How could the devil integrate so deeply into the Church undetected?:  

• The deception would have to be close enough to the truth, undetectable by those only loosely familiar with Scripture  
• The deception would have to be appealing and attractive, asking for no difficult change or hard commitment 
• The deception would have to be self-protecting, so when it comes under attack, the offending party appears as an enemy
• The deception would have to be backed up by signs, or rather false signs such as famous proponents or with lying words 

This deception has happened and continues to happen.  The leaven is spreading through the bread and the tares are growing amongst the wheat.  

Have you noticed it?

Do you think it's something obvious to your eyes?  Do you think it's a small movement you've heard of?  What deception was being integrated into the church right from the start?  Do you think you are above being deceived today?  If not, how about when you decided what a Christian was?

Consider the constant attack methods on the Torah.  It's either black or white.  The devil is pushing people to one extreme or the other: 

1. Ignore it, it no longer applies, you are free by blood of Jesus and under grace!

2. You are still under it, if you do not obey it - Jesus will send you to hell for being lawless!

Why is there no middle ground here?  Why is it either ignore it or go under it's yoke?  Why is there no option of following the Torah because you are free NOT to? 

When you read the Bible from end to end, without a middle man interpreting it for you, what is it's overall message?  Yet, all we hear in the mainstream is things that match the blueprint of a successful deception, as listed above:

• Close enough to the truth - scriptures out of context (mainly from Paul) can be used as "proof texts"
• Appealing, attractive, no difficult change or hard commitment - "You are saved without condition. You are free from the law"
• Self-protecting, offenders appear as the enemy - "Beware people trying to put you under the Law! You will lose your grace!"
• Backed up by signs and wonders - TV preachers performing healings and speaking in tongues, yet they do not follow the law

If there is one big deception on the Church of today, which started small in the early church (like the leaven), is "once saved, always saved" and you no longer need to bother with the Old Testament other than as history and interest. 

Don't jump to the other end of the spectrum though!  Keeping the Torah will not save you.  But, once you are saved and if you want to train in righteousness, then why consider self-help books at your Christian Bookstore over the wisdom in Torah?  Pray to the Father and ask to see what He says to you on this matter.

Finally, consider these two challenges within yourself.

1. Where in the words of Jesus does He clearly describe that Torah will no longer be applicable to His disciples?  This would be a major change in understanding, so surely He would say it clearly.  Again, prove this without using the words of Paul, just the Messiah's words as most Christians today still misunderstand Paul, just as Peter said they would, in 2 Peter 3:16.
2. However,  if you must to bring Paul into the debate, what do you suppose the below verse means?....
"But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.  All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." ~ 2 Timothy 3:14-16.   What parts of the Scripture do you suppose Paul is referring to?  The New testament wasn't around at this time..

Free yourself from the limitless law of grace, which binds only binds you in ONE thing - to not follow Torah.  Free yourself from the limitations of the Torah, which cannot save you and points to the Messiah.  Instead, walk in the Grace given to us and correct your steps and thoughts with Torah.  You are free to live and free to obey. 

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus ~ Revelation 14:12

Love & Shalom

Edited April 8, 2019 by Tzephanyahu

[choir loft]

On 4/5/2019 at 5:50 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi choir loft,

By `church` do you mean man`s organisation that runs public meetings? We tend to call that `church` but it is not. It is just man`s organisation that runs public meetings. The `church,` is the Body of Christ -

`And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be Head over all things to the church, WHICH IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.` (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

If we call man`s organisations the `church` then we will be disappointed for it is mainly in error and connecting to the world`s value system. If, however we call the `church,` the Body of Christ, the believers from across the world and down through the centuries, then we will be encouraged that the Head, the Lord is building and maturing us, for He is well able, and has guided us and is bringing us into all the truth of Himself and His purposes before he comes for us.

regards, Marilyn.

I understand the evasive technique you are attempting to employ so as to separate the sins of the institutional church from the Body of Christ.  

You don't have to explain it to me.    

It's an evasion, make no mistake.  

The logic of the tired argument you refer to  is meant to unlink something called 'true believers' from the sins of the legitimate institution everyone knows as the church.  The problem is that these same 'true believers' have given their allegiance, attendance, their money and their undying support to what the Bible calls the Great Whore of Babylon.   Association with a guilty party carries the same guilt as the primary offender.  This legal principle is valid in any court on earth or in heaven.   Attempts to unlink a believer from a church where he or she HAS A MEMBERSHIP CARD are hypocritical. 

One cannot escape guilt of the institution by claiming divine exception.   That is a lie of the Enemy.  It didn't work anywhere in the Old Covenant and it won't work anywhere in the New.

I stand by my statement.  The church is in love with demonic doctrines, of which there are very many too numerous to list here (because opinionated brainwashed Xians won't pay attention anyway).

Just for starters, however, I refer the reader to the abomination of Replacement Theology.   The doctrine is entirely anti-semitic in nature, based upon spiritual irresponsibility and ingrained so deeply in Christian culture that most Xians aren't even aware of it.   They use the buzz words and religious slogans, such as 'church', without clear Biblical understanding of what they mean.   Try to explain it to them and they'll respond with all sorts of nonsense - like saying the church is different from the Body of Christ.

Another point I should make is that the church has been the greatest persecutor of Jews in history.   Muslims take a back seat to the millions of Jews murdered and disenfranchised by Christians throughout history.  To this day Xian theology denies the right of Jews to a homeland and is actively engaged in financial efforts to destroy the country - hand in hand with Arab Muslims who are working and praying for Jewish blood to be shed.   

The church is ICHABOD.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited April 8, 2019 by choir loft