The fulness of the Gentiles

[Still Alive]

1 minute ago, dhchristian said:

Yeah, Its from the link at the bottom of your comments, that's on all of them, and yes I disagree with you on this. 

Oh, the one in my sig. Got it. That's a great link. It's entire content is in book form on amazon. I am in jail ministry in my town. It's my main message to the prisoners.

[BeauJangles]

6 hours ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

How convenient. God reigns in heaven and Jesus is God. Shall I add more to that? 

Yes, more than convenient, being that nothing is impossible for God. I'm also a Trinitarian. Since you prefer to disbelieve the Lord at His word, I'd be very interested in seeing how you explain it all away by adding to that. Be my guest, please do. 

[BeauJangles]

On 9/11/2019 at 11:09 AM, Gentle-Warrior said:

I'm not interested in man's opinions. Since Jesus never once mentioned that He will return to micromanage the earth for 1,000 literal years, there is no need to manipulate, twist and distort what He didn't say and what the NT is completely silent about. . 

Then perhaps you're interested in what Jesus had to say. See scripture passage below. John 16:12-13 

On 9/11/2019 at 11:56 AM, BeauJangles said:

Jesus had much that was withheld from His disciples, prior to the ascension.  And then when the Holy Spirit came upon them on the Day of Pentecost, a whole new understanding was revealed, and came into being. I never considered the Millennial Reign to be a micromanagement. A global event couldn't be miniscule. The Revelation was revealed to John as he was the last disciple living. What was written down in account can't be discredited.   

And He did say this to His followers, the disciples. It does explain a lot here.

John 16:12-13 ¹²I have many things to say to you, but ye cannot bear them now.  ¹³Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This sums it up nicely. Thank you for the opportunity to post it. 

 

 

[Gentle-Warrior]

27 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Then perhaps you're interested in what Jesus had to say. See scripture passage below. John 16:12-13 

And He did say this to His followers, the disciples. It does explain a lot here.

John 16:12-13 ¹²I have many things to say to you, but ye cannot bear them now.  ¹³Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This sums it up nicely. Thank you for the opportunity to post it. 

 

 

1) Didn't Jesus say that His kingdom was not of this world? (realm or kind) in Jn 18:36. Did He change His mind? 

2) Ephesians 1:20–23 (NASB95)

"Which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,

²¹ far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

²² And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,

²³ which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all."

How then do you reconcile the fact that Jesus rules in the heavens over all creation, which is the realm of eternity where time is not a factor? 

Edited September 14, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior

[BeauJangles]

1 minute ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

1) Didn't Jesus say that His kingdom was not of this world? (realm or kind) in Jn 18:36. Did He change His mind? 

He didn't change His mind. It seems you discredit the entirety of His plans though, my brother. I'm sorry that some essential scriptures are such a bore to you.

Revelation 21:1-8 ¹And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. ²And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ³And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ⁴And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ⁵And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. ⁶And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. ⁷He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. ⁸But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

 

[Gentle-Warrior]

36 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

He didn't change His mind. It seems you discredit the entirety of His plans though, my brother. I'm sorry that some essential scriptures are such a bore to you.

Revelation 21:1-8 ¹And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. ²And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ³And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ⁴And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ⁵And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. ⁶And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. ⁷He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. ⁸But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

 

What you posted has nothing to with what I posted. John 18:36 clearly states that the Lord's kingdom is not of an earthly kind. This means He rules from heaven, or from eternity. I also gave you Eph 1:20-23 that proves my point. 

Are you going to disregard both of my points in order to insert yours? 

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

I also gave you Eph 1:20-23 that proves my point. 

Yes, my brother you made your point. 

1 hour ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

Are you going to disregard both of my points in order to insert yours?

No, it's no disregard at all. You missed the final plan here, unless considering John a lunatic. 

Revelation 21:1-8 ¹And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 

And some words from Jesus, I hope you don't discredit that either. Thanks for the discussion. 

Matthew 24:35 ³⁵Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

[Gentle-Warrior]

11 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Yes, my brother you made your point. 

No, it's no disregard at all. You missed the final plan here, unless considering John a lunatic. 

Revelation 21:1-8 ¹And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 

And some words from Jesus, I hope you don't discredit that either. Thanks for the discussion. 

Matthew 24:35 ³⁵Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

Israelites who were remotely familiar with the law were probably well aware of the fact that "heaven and earth" was synonymous with the law or the Old Covenant. The phrase "heavens and earth" is then covenantal language. It is not referring to the physical heavens and earth. The Old Heavens and Earth was the Old Covenant and the New Heavens and Earth is the New Covenant where righteousness dwells. Christians are the New Creation and the New Heavens and Earth. Once again, the concept is spiritual/covenantal, not physical/literal.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior

[dhchristian]

On 8/29/2019 at 7:16 PM, dhchristian said:

One of the great overlooked or misunderstood concepts is What the "fulness of the Gentiles" entails. 

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness ^G4138 of the Gentiles be come in. (Romans 11:25)

Most scholars and commentaries say this is a marker of when the dispensation of the Gentiles reverts back to the Jews in Israel, That the number of Gentiles to be saved according to God's predestination is reached. If reading the text, it is easy to make this assumption. But often overlooked is the meaning of the Word "fulness", which I believe points to a completion, not of the number of people but of the Quality of those Gentiles, a state of fulness in Christ Jesus. I am not going to get into a big long study of this Word, which is plērōma The meanings I want to draw your attention to are as follows: that which is (has been) filled, in the NT, the body of believers, as that which is filled with the presence, power, agency, riches of God and of Christ. 

What if this Mystery is not speaking of the Number of gentiles that fill the Boat so to speak, But the Fulness of Christ in them that is indicative of an end time prophetic fulfillment? Let's take a look at some other verses that discuss this. You will note that these verses all come from Ephesians.

That in the dispensation of the fulness ^G4138 of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: (Eph 1:10) 

In this first verse we see the fulness of times, Pointing to the end of this Gentile dispensation, And this verse speaks of the gathering together as one, all things in Christ Jesus. As we Go on here you will see that this end time fulfillment is of this end time Unity which we will all be a part of.

Which is his body, the fulness ^G4138 of him that filleth all in all. (Eph 1:23)

This final statement of this powerful prayer (Eph. 1;17-23) Is Pointing us to reach a point of complete fulness in Christ Jesus, with him being our all in all. What this is speaking about is a filling with Christ, where there once was the doctrines and knowledge of man, The wisdom of God filling us as opposed to the Wisdom of Man. This is the starting point where He is able to fill us. I have mentioned this here before but it is the point when we respond to Jesus Questions, not with the pride of our own understanding, Instead we respond as Ezekiel did when asked if these dry bones could live with "LORD thou knowest" (Eze. 37:3) 

And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness ^G4138 of God. (Eph 3:19) 

This verse, located in the second powerful prayer in Ephesians (3:14-21), Points us to yet another step in this final filling process, which is to be filled with the LOVE of Christ, Which surpasses, or exceeds Knowledge (Gnosis) of Him. So to this point , we have replaced the Wisdom of men, with the Wisdom of God, with a heart that is receptive to his teaching, and replaced our earthly knowledge of Him with His Love for us, which is speaking of the intimacy of this relationship, and the filling of us with his Love. 

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness ^G4138 of Christ: (Eph 4:13)

This final step is the Unity, and fulness we arrive at, "unto a perfect man" when we arrive at the fulness of Christ. 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Thus the Fulness of the gentiles is not so much a number of saved people reached with the Gospel, But a Maturity of relationship that we attain in the end times shortly before we are removed and replaced by Israel and their dispensation known as the final week for them. 

Jesus used the analogy of wineskins and old garments to describe this, as this is in essence what is happening to us, We have removed the Old, so that he can fill us with the new. No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved. (Mat. 9:16-17)

If this has spoken to you, these two great prayers in Ephesians are where you begin. We are not speaking of salvation here, we are speaking of what happens to us when we are sanctified By the Holy Ghost, the next step in our walk is to take that new wineskin and fill it with Christ Jesus. Be warned, though, as with any clean house, the demons are lurking awaiting to return unto it with their friends...Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.(Matt. 12;44-45)

you must open the door to Christ Jesus.  Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Rev. 3;20)

There are a lot of people who do not want this message to get out, so they will do anything to distract you from this. You have seen it here on this page by the opposition that this has faced. This is why I am bringing this to the forefront again on this post. You must fill the new wineskin with Christ Jesus, we cannot put old Wine in a new wineskin or New wine in an old wineskin. This is the final step for the church to take, that is not based on the winds of Doctrine, but entails making Jesus your all in all. 

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24

[iamlamad]

On 9/11/2019 at 1:09 PM, Gentle-Warrior said:

... there is no need to manipulate, twist and distort what He didn't say and what the NT is completely silent about. ...

ROFL   It would be extremely difficult to manipulate or twist nothing!

Edited September 16, 2019 by iamlamad