appy Posted September 4, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2019 The usage and definition of repentance or repent isn't just limited to “i'm sorry” or “having remorse” . It can also mean “to turn from a sinful life and turn to God” or “to “change your mind and attitude in regards to sin”. Its one of those words, that has multiple meanings depending on the context. God commanded us to turn from sinful lives and turn to him. He also commanded us to believe upon His Son. When we do not, we are disobeying His commands. He is our creator, and Sovereign over all. He is not obligated to bend to our wishes. And the difference between our offenses against Him and offenses against each other. Not forgiving each other is NOT an option because Jesus commanded us to forgive one another without measure. We are ALL guilty of offending another human for one reason or another . Our forgiving one another is NOT dependent upon whether the guilty party is sorry or not. We are still told to do it. If we do not, God will not do the same for us. Forgiving the offenders isn't so much as for his/her benefit as it is for our own. If someone offends you, forgiveness is for YOUR benefit, not the other way around. First you are doing what God commanded us to do. The next reason is that it keeps bitterness and resentment and hatred for the other person or offense from taking root in you. These three things can rob you of your joy and WILL have an effect on your walk with the Lord. Matthew 18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart." Mark 11: 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." Matthew 6:14, 15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Colossians 3:13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Proverbs 19: 11 A person's wisdom yields patience; it is to one's glory to overlook an offense. Ephesians 4:26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 1 Peter 3: 8,9 Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 03 September 2019 at 9:55 PM, maryjayne said: Would you mind having another look at this sentence as it doesn't make sense. Those who say we 'Must' forgive when there is no repentantance, are like the pharasees who demanded that the jews do far more than God did. God only forgives those who repent. That is all we are expected to do. When there is repentance, then like God our forgiveness is unlimited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 03 September 2019 at 10:00 PM, maryjayne said: You are misunderstanding what is being said on here. People are posting that Christians 'must' forgive. Which is not true. What they must do is show the love of God, that does not require forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 03 September 2019 at 2:10 PM, appy said: Our purpose in life is to develop God's love and character. When we forgive others, irregardless of their attitude or “if” they say they are sorry or they do not say they are sorry; we are reflecting God's love and character when we do it anyway. If a person says he/she is sorry it is absolutely necessary to forgive. But other scriptures show us that we must forgive even when the guilty party does not say they are sorry. The thing of it is that the wrongs committed against us by another person does not even compare to the offenses we have committed against God. Matthew 18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart." Mark 11: 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." Matthew 6:14, 15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Colossians 3:13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Proverbs 19: 11 A person's wisdom yields patience; it is to one's glory to overlook an offense. Ephesians 4:26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, Except God does not forgive anyone who does not repent and as I have said we hand those who hurt/offend us but will not or cannot repent over to God for him to deal with and we pray for them. We are to 'Forgive as the Lord forgave you, on your repentance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPassingThru Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,979 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,112 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2019 Maybe this will explain it a little better..., Jesus on the Cross asked His Father to forgive them, ...who is them, ...it's not only those that were responsible for His arrest, torture and Crucifixion, but since the purpose of His death on the Cross was to pay the ransom price of all the sins of humanity, them includes all of humanity, and that includes me! Father would never demand us to do something He Himself would never do, that means even though all of humanity's sins has been paid for there is still a personal obligation for each and every human to ask to be forgiven, salvation is not universalism for everyone, it must be a personal, one-on-one transaction between man and God. So then, as Spirit filled, born again, adopted children of God we are being conformed into the image of Christ, ...the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Christ, which is the Spirit of Life (Zoe), which is being manifested in and through our lives, ...and since Christ asked our Father to forgive us approximately 2,000 years ago, ...before we asked to be forgiven, ...then to show our progress in being conformed into Christ's image we too forgive those that have hurt or wronged us, ...please notice we forgive them from our hearts before Father, ...that doesn't release them from their responsibility of coming to us and asking to be forgiven anymore than Jesus' prayer to Father released us from coming before Him in submission and humility and asking Him to forgive us. If our forgiveness is sincere, from our hearts, then like our dear sister Maryjane has said, we will have a peace, ...that's doesn't mean there will be reconciliation like so many preach today which is actually nothing more than tolerance of people in their sin. Lord bless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted September 6, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted September 6, 2019 In the case of the unbeliever Forgivness does not equate to being unequally yoked . We simply pray they are forgiven no matter what they do unto us . Forgive all who even hate you , persecute you , rail on you . And if even the man who hates you most and would desire your death , ever is without and has need YOU FEED THEM . For if you do good unto those who love you ONLY where is your reward , EVEN SINNERS can love those who love them . If you brother or brethren does sin against you , THEN you tell him his fault between you and him . IF he repent you forgive him . REBUKE the brethren and if they repent You shall forgive them . Till a brother or sister repents of evil , THEY must be separated out . Paul knew that too . And we are to be unequally yoked with none . But forgiveness must come and would come from all whose hearts have been changed . For take memory and take heart , WE were forgiven of a mountain of wicked against man and GOD , and yet for THE SAKE OF CHRIST ALONE we are forgiven . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted September 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.87 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 4:57 PM, Who me said: Yes we need to grow to be like God. God does Not forgive those who do not repent. As I have said repeatedly, repentance is through the whole OT. The Jews would understand that they needed to repent before there could be forgiveness. Try reading the account in Luke about repentance and forgiveness. Remember, just how does God forgive you or me? It is only on our repentance. Some great Law teaching there .....After the Cross when that “ weak” law died ( which was a good thing, because it had no power to save anybody) we became saved by hearing and believing Paul’s Gospel given to him by Jesus......no adding to it.....even with good stuff like Repentance ......if one goes from not believing the Gospel to believing the Gospel He has undergone the “ change of mind” type of Repentance that God demands.That will get The Holy Spirit in a person and then we will automatically repent when we do wrong— NOT that one- time Repentance That got you saved.The on -going , perhaps daily repentance of wrong- doing and guilt restores a temporary strained relationship. It’s a part of the Sanctification process that make you more like Jesus— that being the ultimate point that God will get you to.Dont confuse the different types of repentance if you want to a avoid needless trouble .God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted September 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.87 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 6, 2019 Oops.......sorry.....I get carried away sometimes The forgiveness thing is easy.....We forgive others because WE have been saved......Under Law it was a Salvation Issue.....We are under Grace, forgiven by Believing the Gospel in 1cor15:1-4.....Forgiving is a fruit of the Spirit.....It does not save, nor does it keep you saved.....only The Blood does that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted September 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 7, 2019 18 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Some great Law teaching there .....After the Cross when that “ weak” law died ( which was a good thing, because it had no power to save anybody) we became saved by hearing and believing Paul’s Gospel given to him by Jesus......no adding to it.....even with good stuff like Repentance ......if one goes from not believing the Gospel to believing the Gospel He has undergone the “ change of mind” type of Repentance that God demands.That will get The Holy Spirit in a person and then we will automatically repent when we do wrong— NOT that one- time Repentance That got you saved.The on -going , perhaps daily repentance of wrong- doing and guilt restores a temporary strained relationship. It’s a part of the Sanctification process that make you more like Jesus— that being the ultimate point that God will get you to.Dont confuse the different types of repentance if you want to a avoid needless trouble .God bless You might call it great teaching, I call it basic Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted September 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 7, 2019 16 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Oops.......sorry.....I get carried away sometimes The forgiveness thing is easy.....We forgive others because WE have been saved......Under Law it was a Salvation Issue.....We are under Grace, forgiven by Believing the Gospel in 1cor15:1-4.....Forgiving is a fruit of the Spirit.....It does not save, nor does it keep you saved.....only The Blood does that... Forgiveness is never easy, for many people admitting they were wrong, saying sorry is very very hard. Yet we are commanded to be forgiving. Note not to forgive. We like God forgive when an offend repents and then like God our forgiveness is unlimited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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