Will God give seven days warning before the Rapture as He warned Noah ?

[Diaste]

55 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

We seem to be in total denial.

That we are. Primed for apostasy. Worldly praise is more important than Godly vision. Collectively we are aghast at the need for the refining fire at the hand of God's servant, the beast.

[Justin Adams]

16 minutes ago, Diaste said:

That we are. Primed for apostasy. Worldly praise is more important than Godly vision. Collectively we are aghast at the need for the refining fire at the hand of God's servant, the beast.

I attempt to give a Divine Council worldview of all things scriptural. I find much is missed by us and the apostles were well versed in Greek Mythology, where the Titans aligned with Daniel and the various supernatural elements of scripture. Daniel - Enoch - Titans and Sumerian texts get us out of the pews and into the supernatural workings of God in His environment - not just ours. The prophets all had this acute sense of the Divine Worldview and one has to see this to 'get it' correctly.

So we are led to play church and sing songs that basically make us feel good. No one teaches the 'verboten' books because they are taught that inspiration is a paranormal thing, so don't mess with it. Totally wrong-headed. Sad. My people perish thru lack of knowledge...

[missmuffet]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

But it doesn't suit me, not in the least amount. It means horror beyond imagination. No sane person would wish for that, or hope for that. I don't want it to happen, but it is going to happen.

We have a strong guard that will oversee us during this time. He is our one and only hope and all our strength.

 

Yes, if you read the Bible it tells us this world will be judged and the wrath of God will come down on it. If a person is genuinely saved they do not have to worry about going through the 7 year tribulation. 

[The Light]

On 9/21/2019 at 3:12 AM, Justin Adams said:

It sounds like a nice idea and sold millions. However, there is no cohesive scriptural basis for any of Darby and later/earlier systems. They all cheat with scripture and they are all prone to failure on systematic analysis.

I am no great scholar,  but I have seen the history of such stuff and the church was ripe for Scofield and such. He even made his own bible, since the real scriptures did not fit well with this pre-trib stuff.

The so-called 70th week of Daniel is also conjecture. The church has proclaimed this loud enough and often enough that believers believe it... (an Hitler saying). If John's Revelation was written in Aramaic about 68 AD, then all bets are off. Later came the Greek translation.

I suggest everyone throw away their end-times books and poor theology and take a grass-roots look at ALL prophesy. It has to be cohesive across the board. You cannot take isolated passages and weave an idea around it. You have to be brutally honest with the text and look for CONSISTENCY and not feather the nest of your ideas with sporadic passages.

Augustine and Nelson and a whole bunch of other idealists had their own ax to grind and if you look at the history of these people, you might find some glaring anomalies.

Remember that these prophetic passages were mostly written to contemporary Israelis and not just to us 21st century folk. We do not read much but take second-hand thought and preaching without suitable study.

And do not necessarily trust early sources after 150 AD. They did not involve Hebrew text much and were often overtly antisemitic. Because of this, our 'theology' is suspect from the get-go. I.e. bad root = bad fruit.

"As in the days of Noah.." has other far more sinister possibilities and probabilities. Go check out the time of Noah in the Tanach.

I'm sure that you have never investigated the facts for yourself, because if you did you would not be going on about John Nelson Darby. It's like when I hear someone going on about evolution and science. I know that they have never investigated the facts for themselves, because if they did they would not believe such things.

If you understood the 7 feasts of Israel you would understand the things that are to come. There will be a rapture before the tribulation and then God will deal with the twelve tribes.

Rev 7

⁴ And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

⁵ Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

⁶ Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

⁷ Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

⁸ Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

There will be 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel. They are a guarantee of a harvest of the 12 tribes.

Edited September 23, 2019 by The Light

[R. Hartono]

On 9/20/2019 at 11:12 PM, other one said:

I always thought it was nice that he waited till Methuselah died    and he let him live longer than anyone to be sure we understood he didn't cut his life short...    God is  sooo  thoughtful.

Because if Methuselah boarded the ark God knows he would die inside it and it would be a problem.

[R. Hartono]

On 9/20/2019 at 3:29 PM, Diaste said:

Well....No. The gathering cannot happen before the beast is revealed. 2 Thess 2

Who knows if the antichrist has already been known to the whole world ? He will come in peace as peace is his attribute, only when the AOD happens where he will unmasked his real attitude that the whole world must worship him.

[Justin Adams]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

I'm sure that you have never investigated the facts for yourself, because if you did you would not be going on about John Nelson Darby.

That is a pejorative statement and has no basis of fact ascribed to it. Just your take. Nothing is 'self evident' and if you care to actually study this for yourself, you will see that Darby, Scofield and many others were also of dubious understandings. The "I'm sure" is a real tell of your misunderstanding even of English, let alone the scriptures.

 

See for yourself. Darby was not a scholar and had dubious beliefs.

John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), the "Father of Dispensationalism," used occult language throughout his doctrinal writings and letters. The majority of the phrases are found in Kabbalistic/Theosophical literature. J.N. Darby learned these esoteric terms somewhere—not from the Bible—and he deliberately integrated them into his theological treatises and letters. His practice of merging Theosophical vocabulary with supposedly biblical teaching is a form of syncretism. (It is also a red flag.)

https://libertytothecaptives.net/darby_writings_occult.html

 
The origin of Rapture False doctrine: John Darby 1830 AD

Rapture doctrine is one of the most recent "new doctrines" in the history of the Church. The only doctrine more recent is the invention of the sinner's prayer for salvation by Billy Sunday in 1930, which was made popular by Billy Graham in 1935.

2.      The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize to goes to Darby.

3.      Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

4.      Darby has had a profound impact on religion today, since Darby's "secret rapture" false doctrine has infected most conservative, evangelical churches. While the official creeds and statements of faith of many churches either reject or are silent about Rapture, neither do they openly condemn this doctrine of a demon from the pulpit.

5.      While not all dispensationalists believe in the Rapture. All those who teach the Rapture also believe in premillennialism. Both groups use Israel's modern statehood status of 1948 to be a beginning of a countdown to the end.

6.      All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800's (Seventh-day Adventists who are date setting premillennialists who reject the rapture, Jehovah's Witnesses who have set many dates) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible. Today's date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.

http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm

 

Edited September 23, 2019 by Justin Adams

[Diaste]

18 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

That is a pejorative statement and has no basis of fact ascribed to it. Just your take. Nothing is 'self evident' and if you care to actually study this for yourself, you will see that Darby, Scofield and many others were also of dubious understandings. The "I'm sure" is a real tell of your misunderstanding even of English, let alone the scriptures.

 

See for yourself. Darby was not a scholar and had dubious beliefs.

John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), the "Father of Dispensationalism," used occult language throughout his doctrinal writings and letters. The majority of the phrases are found in Kabbalistic/Theosophical literature. J.N. Darby learned these esoteric terms somewhere—not from the Bible—and he deliberately integrated them into his theological treatises and letters. His practice of merging Theosophical vocabulary with supposedly biblical teaching is a form of syncretism. (It is also a red flag.)

https://libertytothecaptives.net/darby_writings_occult.html

 
The origin of Rapture False doctrine: John Darby 1830 AD

Rapture doctrine is one of the most recent "new doctrines" in the history of the Church. The only doctrine more recent is the invention of the sinner's prayer for salvation by Billy Sunday in 1930, which was made popular by Billy Graham in 1935.

2.      The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize to goes to Darby.

3.      Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

4.      Darby has had a profound impact on religion today, since Darby's "secret rapture" false doctrine has infected most conservative, evangelical churches. While the official creeds and statements of faith of many churches either reject or are silent about Rapture, neither do they openly condemn this doctrine of a demon from the pulpit.

5.      While not all dispensationalists believe in the Rapture. All those who teach the Rapture also believe in premillennialism. Both groups use Israel's modern statehood status of 1948 to be a beginning of a countdown to the end.

6.      All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800's (Seventh-day Adventists who are date setting premillennialists who reject the rapture, Jehovah's Witnesses who have set many dates) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible. Today's date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.

http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm

 

 I used to buy all of that. Upon investigation of the doctrine, and seeking the truth, it all falls flat.

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Who knows if the antichrist has already been known to the whole world ? He will come in peace as peace is his attribute, only when the AOD happens where he will unmasked his real attitude that the whole world must worship him.

Exactly. 

Even if the beast is alive we don't know him as the beast until the revealing brought about by the ascension of the Temple and the declaration making himself god. Only then can the gathering occur.

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Yes, if you read the Bible it tells us this world will be judged and the wrath of God will come down on it. If a person is genuinely saved they do not have to worry about going through the 7 year tribulation. 

I have often wondered about some people. What if some are 'saved' but are doing bad things or have done a bad thing.

They are still saved, yes?

But now there is a spot or a blemish.

Like David stealing Bathsheba and plotting to murder Uriah and succeeding in that plot. That's two of the worst possible things a person could do to someone else. David was saved, is saved, but yet got punished harshly.  

There must be people just like that in this age that are called by His name, that call on His name, that are saved, but engage in terrible behavior. 

Should not that behavior need correction removing the spot and blemish? 

How would that happen? Will they repent by the word of the prophet? Through holy writ? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe their wives and children are taken away and they need to be humiliated.

It's not an impossibility that many in the church will be need just such a correction.