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[Last Daze]

19 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

The fifth trumpet is the first of the three woes, which appears to align with satan's permanent removal from heaven and the beginning of the 3 1/2 year period of the beasts war on the saints, at least from my perspective.

 

God bless

Something to consider:

• But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.  Revelation 10:7

Blessings brother.

[wingnut-]

3 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Something to consider:

• But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.  Revelation 10:7

Blessings brother.

 

Of course, the third woe, not something to forget.  From what I've read from you on the subject I am pretty sure we are in agreement in regards to the general timing of it.  Not exactly sure how you see it impacting the first woe, but we can always visit that at another time.  I am interested in hearing what you have to say in regards to what you see occurring at the first seal, so I'll be watching for a thread on it.  There are a few things I would love to discuss with you on the matter, but I don't want to take diaste's thread off topic on him.

 

God bless

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I don't think that he is still in the abyss.  He is an 8th king in the sense that he is presiding over the globalist agenda.  He will be of the 7 when the man of sin is revealed and does signs and wonders in his presence.  The 7th will be manifested in the natural realm.  The beast is never seen.

I feel like I'm about to bog this down with minutiae when what I really think is important is the rise of the beast. When the beast rises we know Jesus is set to return. The reason for this is someone must ascend the Temple " Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." This is a physical act. And the beast also speaks against all that is holy as "....there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

I guess one could argue about who the man of sin really is, and if the son of perdition is the same person or someone else, or even if either is the beast. The two passages above certainly speak to acts which carry a great amount of similitude and it's difficult for me to think anything other than these acts are all engaged in by the same person, whoever that is as the only identification is 'the beast'.

No doubt this is what Jesus spoke about when mentioning the A of D. Looking to Daniel, as we are told, we see the nature of the event and it surely parallels 2 Thess 2 and and Rev 13. Both of those references paint a picture of a heinous, evil set of actions desolating a sanctuary in malevolent abomination.

So then no matter how one looks at it a person will ascend some form of a Temple and proclaim himself to be God while denigrating every other god, including the Most High and Jesus. If indeed the beast has been around for some time or not, or if the man of sin is the FP or not, or if the son of perdition is just another thug in the cadre or he's the 'antichrist', someone is walking up those step and throwing down serious self deification.

So then whether he is just a man who died, is resurrected, empowered by the dragon, or is an evil entity from a boundless dimension which either invades this plane of existence in its' natural form, or inhabits the corporeal, it's assured he will exist and we will see and hear him.

Who is he? I want that info as his existence is the precursor to the Return of the King.

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'd agree with that; if we want to know God's prophetic time clock we look at Israel for the hour hand, and Jerusalem for the minute hand. However; Israel is going to be trampled by the gentiles, and Jerusalem controlled by the gentiles during the tribulation. We have already seen how the UN has set up the new world order [world bank (WB), International Monetary Fund IMP, International Court of Justice, UNICEF, Security Council, Economic and Social Council, on and on]. Ninety percent of all UN resolutions and decisions have gone against Israel; the UN is hostile toward Israel. We could even say; the New World Order has already been established and in effect. National borders and sovereignty have and are being torn down globally.

At this time, I don't personally see the UN dissolving and going away anytime soon. I still think it will be the mechanism and organization that brings about the one world government. I think if we're still around, we're probably in for some surprises in our eschatology, and it's possible this could be one of them too?

By the Grace of God; I'm of the opinion the only obstacle standing in the way of the implementation of the global government, is the sovereignty and patriotism of the United States and Trump getting elected. Had the Beastess won the election, I have little doubt we would be joining the bee hive by now. Things are rapidly changing here in the US, it appears roughly 50% of American voters want free circuses and bread [socialism]. Our new replacement generation right behind us, by and large have been brain washed with evolution and socialism. Our nation has not been this divided since the Civil War, and the divisions are deepening, both politically and socially to the point of another civil war. A nation divided can not stand. 

The Lord has His plan and it will be accomplished in His timing. We know who is the globes superpower during the tribulation, and it's not the USA. It's apparent the US is not even in the picture or a player for whatever reason; God's judgment, the Rapture, an overdue economic collapse, a major national disaster, civil war, major terrorist attacks, nuclear exchange or dozens of other possibilities.  One way or another I believe the US is going to be rendered to its knees, then everything globally will exponentially come to fruition.

Things and events are unfolding faster than can be kept up with.Of course it's not possible but; what if ones great-grandparent were to suddenly pop into this world today; how would he or she describe the world today compared to when they lived? What would they say about the technology of today, the confusion over sexual rights and genders, passing laws calling evil good and good evil, etc.? We're living in interesting times.

I don't disagree. 

I would just say that the world is ready for a single leader. They may not realize it but the set up is there. As you point out we have many global entities consolidating power. It would not take much to align with a strong global leader that demonstrated real power.

I don't know about the US. It doesn't matter too much to me. Scripture is Israel centric and Jerusalem specific. This is where the hub of activity occurs. The rest of the world will follow along.

I think my great grandparents would immediately attempt to overthrow the corruption in Government. The US Government is what they escaped and what our grandparents fought against.

[Alive]

18 hours ago, Last Daze said:

That's kind of a "best guess" based on some observations, primarily:

• The Fatima apparitions in Portugal 1917.  I see that as the start of the "UFO sightings."  You might have to dig a bit if you want to read about it since the Catholics have tried to co-opt the event.
• Harnessing electricity.  The start of electronics and the tech revolution.
• The League of Nations (1920).  The forerunner to the UN and the globalist agenda.

 

I don't understand how or why those things are relevant.

Would you explain?

[Last Daze]

5 hours ago, Alive said:

I don't understand how or why those things are relevant.

Would you explain?

In a nutshell, the beast and his 10 horns have one purpose which is to prepare the way for the man of sin to become dictator of the world.  The primary means of accomplishing their goal is through deception. 

• The whole UFO phenomenon of the last century is a part of that deception in that it is conditioning people to accept the idea of superior intelligence of beings from other planets.  The supernatural signs and wonders that will be performed to deceive people will come from evil spirit beings, not people from other planets who want to help us out.
• Daniel 2 describes the final world kingdom (feet of iron and clay) as being multi-national and multi-ethnic.  The U.N. is being used push a globalist agenda (based on lies) that tears down national sovereignty, a necessary condition for there to be a global leader.  Nations are okay but only inasmuch as they are subservient to the global agenda.
• Advances in technology will likely help to facilitate the mark of the beast that the man of sin will use to enforce allegiance to his rule.

 

[Alive]

Thanks, Daze---that helps me understand where you are coming from.

[Alive]

I see that as speculation and imagination.

 

[Diaste]

On 11/3/2019 at 3:07 PM, Alive said:

I see that as speculation and imagination.

 

Pardon the interjection, but what do you see as speculation and imagination?

[Alive]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Pardon the interjection, but what do you see as speculation and imagination?

All of this stuff that is looking for indicators of prophecy fulfillment. UFO's,  technology, so called apparitions, the UN, etc.

I think it is likely that all of these things are a distraction and not at all indicative of the Lord's return.

It is not even a sure thing that there will be any one world government that has anything to do with anything.

There is a great deal of talk about the 'supernatural' arising. I am not convinced that that sort of thing is at all what the scriptures point to.

Perhaps those things will remain strictly behind the curtain, so to speak? Just as they are now and have been.