Al Baghdadi.

[Diaste]

12 hours ago, wingnut- said:

 

Ancient Babylon is gone forever, never to rise again.

 

Jeremiah 50:39 “Therefore wild beasts shall dwell with hyenas in Babylon, and ostriches shall dwell in her. She shall never again have people, nor be inhabited for all generations. 40 As when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring cities, declares the Lord, so no man shall dwell there, and no son of man shall sojourn in her."

I'm convinced Jeremiah 50 is an end of the age chapter. That would fit with what we see in Rev 18 when Babylon rules spiritually and economically over the whole world and is finally destroyed forever.

Rev 18

Every shipmaster, passenger, and sailor, and all who make their living from the sea, will stand at a distance and cry out at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her.

"Then a mighty angel picked up a stone the size of a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying:

“With such violence the great city of Babylon will be cast down, never to be seen again. And the sound of harpists and musicians, of flute players and trumpeters, will never ring out in you again.

Nor will any craftsmen of any trade be found in you again, nor the sound of a millstone  be heard in you again. The light of a lamp will never shine in you again, and the voices of a bride and bridegroom

will never call out in you again. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.” And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth."

Jeremiah 50

"39 So the desert creatures and hyenas will live there and ostriches will dwell there. It will never again be inhabited or settled from generation to generation. 

40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah along with their neighboring towns, declares the LORD, no one will dwell there; no man will abide there. 

41 Behold! A people comes from the north. A great nation and many kings will be stirred up  from the remote regions of the earth. 

42 They grasp the bow and javelin. They are cruel and without mercy. Their voice roars like the sea, and they ride on horses, lined up like men in battle formation against you, O Daughter of Babylon. 

43 The king of Babylon has heard the report, and his hands hang limp. Distress has seized him, pain like that of a woman in labor. 

44 Behold, one will come like a lion from the thickets of the Jordan to the watered pasture. For in an instant I will chase Babylon from her land. Who is the chosen one I will appoint over her? For who is like Me, and who can challenge Me? What shepherd can stand against Me?”

45 Therefore, hear the plans that the LORD has drawn up against Babylon and the strategies He has devised against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the little ones of the flock will be dragged away;

certainly their pasture will be made desolate because of them.

46 At the sound of Babylon’s capture the earth will quake;

a cry will be heard among the nations.

"

Also from Jeremiah 50

"In those days and at that time, declares the LORD,"

"Because of the wrath of the LORD, she will not be inhabited; she will become completely desolate. All who pass through Babylon will be horrified and scoff at all her wounds."

I see the parallels as convincing for the rise and ultimate destruction of a spiritually wicked city that rules the earth at the time of the end and it's name is Babylon.

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13 hours ago, Last Daze said:

It's interesting to look at Daniel 7 with an eye to the Rev 13 head wound.

When the man of sin comes on the scene, he's seen as a small horn among the 10.  After he rips out 3 of the 10, he is seen as larger.  Horn size reflects power.

Three horns attack his kingdom (an apparent fatal head wound), he destroys the three supernaturally (head wound healed), consequently he is seen as more powerful.  Then the persecution of the saints begins.

It's interesting to me how the merest hint can change a great deal of dogma, if one allows it. 

I was so caught up in a literal wound to the head it never occurred to me to really read the passage. A hold over from all the reading and long history that began with a pretrib bent. (Maybe stubbornness too. Not going to cop to that! lol)

But yes, it's a wound to a king and his kingdom that's healed and it may have nothing to do with a literal head wound. But it certainly could be. A literal head wound, a wound to the head of the organization, a wound that causes the death of the organization, would cover all the interpretations. 

Which of course still allows for ISIS to be the Iron Kingdom.

And isn't the beast raised from the dead? 

[Last Daze]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

There is new order coming but it isn't the one we all have been hearing about.

The one we've all been hearing about will last only an hour.  It's usurped by the little horn who is attacked by the three (head wound).

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

But yes, it's a wound to a king and his kingdom that's healed and it may have nothing to do with a literal head wound. But it certainly could be. A literal head wound, a wound to the head of the organization, a wound that causes the death of the organization, would cover all the interpretations. 

Which of course still allows for ISIS to be the Iron Kingdom.

And isn't the beast raised from the dead? 

The beast is an evil spirit being who comes up out of the abyss.

• The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Rev 17:8

He was previously active at a time before John wrote Revelation, and at the time he wrote it, the beast was in the abyss.  He is similar to the prince of Persia and the prince of Greece that we read about in Daniel 10 in that he influences world kingdoms.  Globalism is the world kingdom he is presiding over now as an 8th king since there is no singular figurehead.

[Dennis1209]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

I used to be a big believer in the UN and the EEC as players in the end of the age, even the identity of the Iron kingdom was thought to be the UN and the beast was the SecGen. 

In doing the leg work over the years I don't see that as possible. In my mind eschatology is centered around Israel, Jerusalem, Mesopotamia, and the nations that surround Israel. 

There is new order coming but it isn't the one we all have been hearing about.

I'd agree with that; if we want to know God's prophetic time clock we look at Israel for the hour hand, and Jerusalem for the minute hand. However; Israel is going to be trampled by the gentiles, and Jerusalem controlled by the gentiles during the tribulation. We have already seen how the UN has set up the new world order [world bank (WB), International Monetary Fund IMP, International Court of Justice, UNICEF, Security Council, Economic and Social Council, on and on]. Ninety percent of all UN resolutions and decisions have gone against Israel; the UN is hostile toward Israel. We could even say; the New World Order has already been established and in effect. National borders and sovereignty have and are being torn down globally.

At this time, I don't personally see the UN dissolving and going away anytime soon. I still think it will be the mechanism and organization that brings about the one world government. I think if we're still around, we're probably in for some surprises in our eschatology, and it's possible this could be one of them too?

By the Grace of God; I'm of the opinion the only obstacle standing in the way of the implementation of the global government, is the sovereignty and patriotism of the United States and Trump getting elected. Had the Beastess won the election, I have little doubt we would be joining the bee hive by now. Things are rapidly changing here in the US, it appears roughly 50% of American voters want free circuses and bread [socialism]. Our new replacement generation right behind us, by and large have been brain washed with evolution and socialism. Our nation has not been this divided since the Civil War, and the divisions are deepening, both politically and socially to the point of another civil war. A nation divided can not stand. 

The Lord has His plan and it will be accomplished in His timing. We know who is the globes superpower during the tribulation, and it's not the USA. It's apparent the US is not even in the picture or a player for whatever reason; God's judgment, the Rapture, an overdue economic collapse, a major national disaster, civil war, major terrorist attacks, nuclear exchange or dozens of other possibilities.  One way or another I believe the US is going to be rendered to its knees, then everything globally will exponentially come to fruition.

Things and events are unfolding faster than can be kept up with.Of course it's not possible but; what if ones great-grandparent were to suddenly pop into this world today; how would he or she describe the world today compared to when they lived? What would they say about the technology of today, the confusion over sexual rights and genders, passing laws calling evil good and good evil, etc.? We're living in interesting times.

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

The beast is an evil spirit being who comes up out of the abyss.

• The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Rev 17:8

He was previously active at a time before John wrote Revelation, and at the time he wrote it, the beast was in the abyss.  He is similar to the prince of Persia and the prince of Greece that we read about in Daniel 10 in that he influences world kingdoms.  Globalism is the world kingdom he is presiding over now as an 8th king since there is no singular figurehead.

So are you saying the fact he's the 8th and he's a resident of the abyss, means we are incorrect to interpret "8th and of the 7" in earthly terms?

[Last Daze]

5 minutes ago, Diaste said:

So are you saying the fact he's the 8th and he's a resident of the abyss, means we are incorrect to interpret "8th and of the 7" in earthly terms?

I don't think that he is still in the abyss.  He is an 8th king in the sense that he is presiding over the globalist agenda.  He will be of the 7 when the man of sin is revealed and does signs and wonders in his presence.  The 7th will be manifested in the natural realm.  The beast is never seen.

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'd agree with that; if we want to know God's prophetic time clock we look at Israel for the hour hand, and Jerusalem for the minute hand. However; Israel is going to be trampled by the gentiles, and Jerusalem controlled by the gentiles during the tribulation. We have already seen how the UN has set up the new world order [world bank (WB), International Monetary Fund IMP, International Court of Justice, UNICEF, Security Council, Economic and Social Council, on and on]. Ninety percent of all UN resolutions and decisions have gone against Israel; the UN is hostile toward Israel. We could even say; the New World Order has already been established and in effect. National borders and sovereignty have and are being torn down globally.

At this time, I don't personally see the UN dissolving and going away anytime soon. I still think it will be the mechanism and organization that brings about the one world government. I think if we're still around, we're probably in for some surprises in our eschatology, and it's possible this could be one of them too?

By the Grace of God; I'm of the opinion the only obstacle standing in the way of the implementation of the global government, is the sovereignty and patriotism of the United States and Trump getting elected. Had the Beastess won the election, I have little doubt we would be joining the bee hive by now. Things are rapidly changing here in the US, it appears roughly 50% of American voters want free circuses and bread [socialism]. Our new replacement generation right behind us, by and large have been brain washed with evolution and socialism. Our nation has not been this divided since the Civil War, and the divisions are deepening, both politically and socially to the point of another civil war. A nation divided can not stand. 

The Lord has His plan and it will be accomplished in His timing. We know who is the globes superpower during the tribulation, and it's not the USA. It's apparent the US is not even in the picture or a player for whatever reason; God's judgment, the Rapture, an overdue economic collapse, a major national disaster, civil war, major terrorist attacks, nuclear exchange or dozens of other possibilities.  One way or another I believe the US is going to be rendered to its knees, then everything globally will exponentially come to fruition.

Things and events are unfolding faster than can be kept up with.Of course it's not possible but; what if ones great-grandparent were to suddenly pop into this world today; how would he or she describe the world today compared to when they lived? What would they say about the technology of today, the confusion over sexual rights and genders, passing laws calling evil good and good evil, etc.? We're living in interesting times.

I also have great doubts that the USA plays a part in the end.

[Last Daze]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

So are you saying the fact he's the 8th and he's a resident of the abyss, means we are incorrect to interpret "8th and of the 7" in earthly terms?

Just to clarify how I see it, the beast was released from the abyss when the first seal was opened.  He was given a crown and became the 8th king at that time.  He's been pushing the world toward globalism ever since.  My estimation is that the first seal was opened sometime around 1900, probably a little before.  That's based on numerous things that began to come about around that time.

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6 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Just to clarify how I see it, the beast was released from the abyss when the first seal was opened.  He was given a crown and became the 8th king at that time.  He's been pushing the world toward globalism ever since.  My estimation is that the first seal was opened sometime around 1900, probably a little before.  That's based on numerous things that began to come about around that time.

This is something i have never heard before.

How do you come to think this way in general?