Evil and Sufferings

[Adam999]

Where is the source of evil and sufferings...Satan or God?

[BeauJangles]

12 minutes ago, Adam999 said:

Where is the source of evil and sufferings...Satan or God?

Here are a scripture to get the topic going. 

James 1:13 ¹³Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:  KJV

[johnthebaptist]

21 minutes ago, Adam999 said:

Where is the source of evil and sufferings...Satan or God?

I would say neither. It seems to me most of the trouble we encounter in our lives is the result of our sin.

[Who me]

God is the source of All that is 'good'.

Evil is the absence of 'good'.

The bible tells us God is 'good' so only an ignorant person would assume God is the source of evil.

[Revlori]

Where is the source of evil and sufferings...Satan or God?

Evil is not from God. Satan is its author. God is Holy and pure and exposes evil.

Jesus calls Satan, “the ruler of this world.” John 12:31.

Paul calls him “the god of this age.” 2 Corinthians 4:4.

 

people do the works of satan, evil deeds, sin. 

"under the sway of the wicked one.” 1 John 5:19. 

 

suffering comes from (at times) self, as we make bad choices,we suffer the consequences.Suffering also comes from Satan, as he influences others to do his evil work and Suffering also comes from God. .

Romans 5:3-5  in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

1 Peter 5 New King James Version (NKJV)

Shepherd the Flock

5 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: ² Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but ^[a]willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; ³ nor as being ^[b]lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; ⁴ and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.

 

Submit to God, Resist the Devil

⁵ Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

⁶ Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, ⁷ casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.

⁸ Be ^[c]sober, be ^[d]vigilant; ^[e]because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. ⁹ Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. ¹⁰ But ^[f]may the God of all grace, who called ^[g]us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, ^[h]perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. ¹¹ To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen

 

 

 

God does test the hearts of man:

For you, O God, tested us; you refined us like silver (Psa. 66:10).

On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts (1 Th. 2:4).

If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul," (Deut. 13:1-3).

Why does God tests us?

Jeremiah 17:10 (NASB) "I, the Lord, SEARCH (EXAMINE) the HEART, I TEST the MIND, even to give to each man according to his ways, according to the results of his DEEDS."

Job 23:10 (NASB) "But HE knows the way I take; when HE has TRIED ME [TESTED], I shall come forth as GOLD.

1 Peter 1:6-9 (NASB) "In this you GREATLY REJOICE, even though now for a LITTLE WHILE, if NECESSARY, you have been DISTRESSED by VARIOUS TRIALS, so that the PROOF of your FAITH, being more precious than GOLD which is PERISHABLE, even though TESTED BY FIRE, may be found to result in PRAISE and GLORY and HONOR at the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST; and though you have NOT SEEN HIM, you LOVE HIM, and though you do NOT SEE HIM NOW, but BELIEVE in HIM, you GREATLY REJOICE with JOY INEXPRESSIBLE and FULL of GLORY, obtaining as the outcome of your FAITH the SALVATION of your SOULS."

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him (James 1:12).

The conclusion is: all people experience suffering in one form or another. As we all live in a fallen world, we all experience evil as well. However as a believer we have this promise from God:I

Psalm 34:19 ¹⁹The righteous person may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all.

May God bless!!!

 

[Wesley L]

God is holy and the source of all that is good.

Disobedience (sin) is the turning away from God. Is also turning away from what is good. Thus creates evil and suffering. Turning away from light, leave us in the darkness.

By love, God gave us free will. So we can choose between obeying Him or disobeying Him, turning away from good.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Wesley L

[Raven]

On 11/12/2019 at 11:34 AM, Adam999 said:

Where is the source of evil and sufferings...Satan or God?

Fear.

[Mike Mclees]

On 11/18/2019 at 3:43 AM, Raven said:

Fear.

Fear is a good answer. How ever I believe it is even deeper than that. He is called the son of the morning star ( lucifer) who was cast down from heaven and became the prince of this world. Price of the air. He is a lyer and trickster. He uses our flesh against us to cause us to fall. He influences the media causing many to renounce God. The school systems. He influences Government on a world scale. He cause hate and jealousy, revenge greed materialism . He is the spirit of Antichrist that is in the world, which is Babylon

[Raven]

3 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Fear is a good answer. How ever I believe it is even deeper than that. He is called the son of the morning star ( lucifer) who was cast down from heaven and became the prince of this world. Price of the air. He is a lyer and trickster. He uses our flesh against us to cause us to fall. He influences the media causing many to renounce God. The school systems. He influences Government on a world scale. He cause hate and jealousy, revenge greed materialism . He is the spirit of Antichrist that is in the world, which is Babylon

Evil is fearful of the Truth. Evil invests in fear to gain fear. It feeds of our wasted life energy through us being tense from fear. We actually squeeze out our own life energy through tension (in-tentsion, aka self-will). Proverbs 26:11  As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly. Evil exploits others to exploit itself, for it has no highermost and innermost source of life energy. It has to deceive others to give away their own energy, through fear; so evil can get the wasted energy to keep their illusion going.

[Billiards Ball]

On 11/11/2019 at 7:34 PM, Adam999 said:

Where is the source of evil and sufferings...Satan or God?

Neither, the chief source, Adam until now, is US.