Two Groups of People

[JustPassingThru]

2 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

well, so much for Christ's command .. not good enough I guess .. could it be He is too explicit .. me wonders - hmmmmmmmmm

I guess you will just have to keep wondering, ...but please, ...remember this, ...your wondering about what Jesus has said has no effect whatsoever on my Salvation...

 

What more can I say???

I've showed through hours of Scripture proof, ...straight out of God's Word, ...that "my" salvation is in God's hands, ...He did it, ...He said it, ...and He has promised it, ...not me!

And after how many hours (?) you still can't answer my simple question with a yes or no answer? 

Whew..., my headache is gone, ...but this poor old dead horse, ...gonna hafta find another one for tomorrow!  

[Blood Bought 1953]

28 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

STAY WITH GOD or STRAY WITH MAN .. I believe what Christ said and meant in John 14:15,21,23-24 as He spoke plainly .. to heck with what that man said Christ said/meant .. does he know better than God .. so many arrogant pompous men think they do .. Pharisees and scribes and Saduccees .. hypocrites Christ called them

Jesus said:

John 14:15,21,23-24 - 15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. 23 ... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words ... ."

and it is obvious what He meant .. obvious to any TRUE believer and lover and follower of Christ .. I am such .. are you?
 

 

What on Earth makes you think you are doing a better job of obedience than anybody else in here?I have LIVED both Doctrines....you have not. You use fear, self control and will-Power to accomplish what you believe to be “ obedience”.You worry about your performance and you work to keep it at a certain  “passable” level so you will make yourself “ worthy” of Eternal Life. That is why you CLING to Repentance so   feverishly .Grace does  not exist in your world. You know you are going to mess up, so to keep your performance up to par, you use Repentance as a patch, a type of band aid to keep your string of  “ Righteous Living” intact, ready to present it to God, just like Cain,did—showing what HE did  to gain merit instead of Trusting In the Blood Of an Innocent Sacrifice Plus Nothing like Abel.......God wouldn’t have it then and He won’t have it now....

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

16 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

What on Earth makes you think you are doing a better job of obedience than anybody else in here?I have LIVED both Doctrines....you have not. You use fear, self control and will-Power to accomplish what you believe to be “ obedience”.You worry about your performance and you work to keep it at a certain  “passable” level so you will make yourself “ worthy” of Eternal Life. That is why you CLING to Repentance so   feverishly .Grace does  not exist in your world. You know you are going to mess up, so to keep your performance up to par, you use Repentance as a patch, a type of band aid to keep your string of  “ Righteous Living” intact, ready to present it to God, just like Cain,did—showing what HE did  to gain merit instead of Trusting In the Blood Of an Innocent Sacrifice Plus Nothing like Abel.......God wouldn’t have it then and He won’t have it now....

 

I think a thread needs to get started which says ,   ARE WE TRUSTING IN JESUS ALONE or is it in the precepts of men .

MANY WOULD FAIL IT BIG TIME .

DO we really TRUST IN JESUS ,  IF we did , why do we omit ANYTHING HE TAUGHT or the apostels taught and twist them to fit a doctrine of men .

MANY are trusting in a doctrine MAN created , an acryonm MAN created AND NOT rather IN JESUS ALONE . 

And I wont sit and argue any more with folks who wont heed .   

But I might start that thread in the days ahead .   And ask lots of questions .     

[frienduff thaylorde]

I Got several threads in mind .

Are we  following THE JESUS WHO CREATED ALL ,   or a version of JESUS that man created .    HOWS that for a thread .

Many will fail , but perhaps some eyes might just be opened . 

Edited December 27, 2019 by frienduff thaylorde

[frienduff thaylorde]

And on that note ,     ITS HIGH TIME TO DANCE unto and PRAISE THE HOLY LORD .  

 

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Margo1945 said:

1 John 1:5-10-  5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

God is Light!
Margo, I sin all day long.
Margo, I confess sin all day long.
Margo, I sin all day long.
Margo, I confess sin all day long.
Margo, I sin all day long.
Margo, I confess sin all day long.
ALL my sins were forgiven, past present future, nailed to the cross.
All of them. And yours. One time payment. The blood of the Lamb.
I would NEVER consider laying my filthy 'righteousness' next to the precious blood, to add to.
Because the blood covers all of me.
I have sinned reading your posts, was judgemental. confessed.
I have sinned thinking up smart alecky responses. confessed.
I have sinned envying several other excellent posts. confessed.
I have sinned not praying for this thread. confessed
I have sinned in prideful thoughts about this/my great/dumb post. confessed.
I confessed not trusting God for guidance posting this. confessed.

I confess I have not been more diligent    TAKING EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE!

I confess I used to think like you about losing/working desperately  for salvation, yet I felt no compassion  for
your inability to see, for I also was the same once, it was so hard to believe.  confessed.
I lived/learned thirty years in the RCC, and was ALWAYS insecure as to my eternal future.
How much good was good enough?
How bad was too bad?
Will my good give me a hedge on my bad?
Have I crossed the line?
Never knowing, listening to my priests and nuns, taught it was sin to presume upon God I was saved.
And then came the light. So much scripture. Flooding in, Grace, grace, God's wonderful beautiful grace.
You talk about OSAS not repenting. I do not understand how this is possible.
Anybody, everybody, that's saved, has repented!
Somewhere, somebody somehow planted a seed, shed some light upon the unbeliever.
This light exposed darkness, truth revealed and darkness fled. The THINKING changed. They Repent.
When I worked for my salvation, I was one sorry dude, full of fear, of loss.
When grace entered in, I was changed. I was saved saved saved.
I finally trusted Him. I believed. A wretch like me. He loved ME! No strings. No more have to's.
Amazing, it's all WANT to's now. I'm enthused (en theo), I want to hit all His targets.
The difference now is, I know trust believe His love..never ends,
because HE holds on to me:

"I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day"

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

18 minutes ago, Sower said:

God is Light!
Margo, I sin all day long.
Margo, I confess sin all day long.
Margo, I sin all day long.
Margo, I confess sin all day long.
Margo, I sin all day long.
Margo, I confess sin all day long.
ALL my sins were forgiven, past present future, nailed to the cross.
All of them. And yours. One time payment. The blood of the Lamb.
I would NEVER consider laying my filthy 'righteousness' next to the precious blood, to add to.
Because the blood covers all of me.
I have sinned reading your posts, was judgemental. confessed.
I have sinned thinking up smart alecky responses. confessed.
I have sinned envying several other excellent posts. confessed.
I have sinned not praying for this thread. confessed
I have sinned in prideful thoughts about this/my great/dumb post. confessed.
I confessed not trusting God for guidance posting this. confessed.

I confess I have not been more diligent    TAKING EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE!

I confess I used to think like you about losing/working desperately  for salvation, yet I felt no compassion  for
your inability to see, for I also was the same once, it was so hard to believe.  confessed.
I lived/learned thirty years in the RCC, and was ALWAYS insecure as to my eternal future.
How much good was good enough?
How bad was too bad?
Will my good give me a hedge on my bad?
Have I crossed the line?
Never knowing, listening to my priests and nuns, taught it was sin to presume upon God I was saved.
And then came the light. So much scripture. Flooding in, Grace, grace, God's wonderful beautiful grace.
You talk about OSAS not repenting. I do not understand how this is possible.
Anybody, everybody, that's saved, has repented!
Somewhere, somebody somehow planted a seed, shed some light upon the unbeliever.
This light exposed darkness, truth revealed and darkness fled. The THINKING changed. They Repent.
When I worked for my salvation, I was one sorry dude, full of fear, of loss.
When grace entered in, I was changed. I was saved saved saved.
I finally trusted Him. I believed. A wretch like me. He loved ME! No strings. No more have to's.
Amazing, it's all WANT to's now. I'm enthused (en theo), I want to hit all His targets.
The difference now is, I know trust believe His love..never ends,
because HE holds on to me:

"I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day"

 

      The Following was supposed to be in response to an earlier Margo post........                                                                                                   I am no better than anybody.....If I thought I WAS, why have I frequently said that I am “ the TRUE chief of sinners”......I mean that when I say it.....those are hardly the words that would come from somebody who does not have a Contrite or REPENTANT heart...... my heart became “ Contrite” when I  met God and had my “ woe is me” moment with a Holy God.I don’t think you have had your “ woe is me” moment with God......If your HEART was contrite , or REPENTANT, you and others here would not be so ate up with “repentance of  sins” to keep your Salvation. Wanna know how you can be certain that you have a Contrite Heart.....the Heart God is looking for .....the type of Heart He can work with?  Be like me. Consider yourself “ the True Chief Of Sinners”. Any Christian that does NOT feel like they are “ Chief Of Sinners” has an identity problem , in my opinion...

Anyway......I think both sides of this debate have been displayed adequately for Lurkers and Newbies to consider......now people can make up their own minds......I have a low threshold for boredom, and I am getting bored with this subject......I would like to thank Margo for being my “ Springboard” to get the Truth of the Gospel Of Grace out there.Thanks.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Blood Bought 1953

[Sower]

14 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

if that is what you "truly" believe, fine .. I do not believe such .. I believe we must believe .. then love .. then obey Christ's two great commandments which He commands all who love Him to obey .. and I believe that when I fail to do so, I am turning away from Him, not Him from me, and am pursuing willful sin .. then I can just keep doing so and never return and throw away my salvation as a gift no longer wanted OR I can repent aka return to God and change my heart back to doing HIS Will, not mine .. forgiveness is NOT automatic .. we are to confess our sinfulness and ask forgiveness and if we do so genuinely, we shall be forgiven, our sin forgotten, and no punishment given as Jesus paid the "punishment" .. I cannot see how anyone can claim  to love God but not find it in his/her heart to acknowledge sinning against Him and asking His forgiveness which we know we shall have if we are genuine .. but if you think you can sin and just expect all to be forgiven and forgotten without you even bothering to confess your sinfulness and express sorrow for sinning, then go for it .. I can't .. I love the Lord too much to callously sin and ignore such and count it already forgiven - so do as I wish .. what does it matter .. it is gone as soon as I do it .. what utter nonsense .. so believe as you wish and I shall do so, too .. 

 

Your post Margo has generated an intense anger within me, and a total confusion, frustration,
My trying to understanding your inability to understand my words, in our English language.
I Confessed this as sin. AGREED with God!     "confessed; admit or state that one has committed a crime or
is at fault in some way, assent, acknowledge."
Yet I still feel compassion for you. For me, miracles can happen.

Why do you say what you do?
How many times do I have to say I confess my sins.
You keep saying;
"I cannot see how anyone can claim  to love God but not find it in his/her heart to acknowledge sinning against Him
and asking His forgiveness which we know we shall have if we are genuine"
Is this for real, Margo??? Please reread my post.
And you always preface your sins as only willful ones. ALL your sins are willful, Margo. There are no unwillful or accidental sins.
Sin is sin. You missed the mark. The target. You were the one aiming (or NOT)  and missed. Your fault. And Everybody's fault.
No wonder some people consider themselves exempt from so many sins.
The way it works is the more you strive to hit marks, the more reveal them selves. Tougher ones, more difficult.
Yet not...? Because when I'm weak, (deferring to God) then I'm strong (not I but Christ) my 'archery' coach.
You enter into another level. (Like the first baby step saying "you mean I can't even think those thoughts?)
God has a standard (will), like those two commands you posted above. That standard, the target He has for us is our goal, to hit.
When we miss, it's called sin. In actions, inaction's, in thinking, in not doing that which you knew you ought,
in doing ANYTHING without faith, tiny targets, hard to hit targets like (praying for me)***(praying blessings over blood bought:)

Why do you make the statement below, when I repeated above so many times I CONFESS ALL MY SINS!

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". 1Jn, 1,9

50 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

but if you think you can sin and just expect all to be forgiven and forgotten without you even bothering to confess your sinfulness and express sorrow for sinning, then go for it .. I can't

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". 1Jn, 1,9

I only would ask you Margo, re read my post, then read yours. I'm really confused.

 

[Alive]

Margo--one more time and then I am done.

Have you read and understood the stuff I have written about the 'New Birth'? And how that works?

Everything hinges on what Jesus said to Nicodemus. You must start there. Consider the mechanics of the new birth (the cross and resurrection) and 'after it's kind').

Have you considered how the Father Himself takes us out of the first Adam and Himself places us 'into Christ' the Second Man? And we become a 'New Creature'. Try to understand this and ask God to help you.

Open your mind--please. Please don't listen to the voice in your head that is saying right now, "no, I know what I think and I won't hear it".

Pause for a moment and look to God. Just give it a chance. Then go back and read that stuff along with 'A Problem Solved'.

[Heleadethme]

9 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

I guess you will just have to keep wondering, ...but please, ...remember this, ...your wondering about what Jesus has said has no effect whatsoever on my Salvation...

 

What more can I say???

I've showed through hours of Scripture proof, ...straight out of God's Word, ...that "my" salvation is in God's hands, ...He did it, ...He said it, ...and He has promised it, ...not me!

And after how many hours (?) you still can't answer my simple question with a yes or no answer? 

Whew..., my headache is gone, ...but this poor old dead horse, ...gonna hafta find another one for tomorrow!  

Well yes, as long as we remain in His hands.  Where the scripture admonishes to remain in His kindness and remain in His love.  We need learn the lesson of our ensample Israel and what happened to her.  Adulterous wife who of her own accord leaves the protection of her Husband is, well, no longer in His household, unless she repents and comes back to Him.  I just believe we need to receive ALL the scriptures as they are written....there are many scriptures addressing different problems, and at different places and times they instruct, admonish, reprove, rebuke or comfort.  We are to take and eat of them all, as we need it.  Times we need to be comforted and encouraged, times we need to be warned, times we need to be admonished, or rebuked, times we need an instruction, etc.

We have seen the torment and condemnation that a person can come under when they have fallen into sin, and it can be a long, difficult climb back to being restored to fellowship with Christ and under grace again....the devil can get a foothold.  There is hope for those, and they might need the gospel preached to them all over again for them to receive forgiveness.  And some people get so hardened they stay fallen.....I've met some people on the internet who have a testimony of being born again, and they believed, and then later fell away....and they are the worst enemies of the cross now.....incredibly hostile and nasty to the gospel and to believers.  No one can tell me it isn't possible to fall away.  I have seen it happen to people I know personally as well...they simply don't believe any more, at all, dead as a doorknob, lights are out and nobody is home...and went back to just living like the world without Christ.  I don't think there is a more discouraging sight.   One of them I happen to know for a fact is directly due to their habitual sin.  I believe restoration is still possible for these, but IF they were to die without repenting of their sin and being restored to Christ, I just don't see how they or anyone can go to heaven without Him.