Do 7 heads of Daniel 7 equal 7 heads in Revelation?

[Bible_Gazer]

On 1/9/2020 at 4:13 PM, iamlamad said:

Your thoughts?

If we count up the heads in Daniel 7:
1:  The Beast with the lion head - - - -   - - - - - - - -  - 1 head

2. The Beast that looked like a Bear - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 head

3. The Beast that looked like a leopard with 4 wings - - -    4  1 heads

4. The  terrible beast - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 head.

These add up to 7  4 heads. 

 represent Babylon,  Medo-Persia , Greece and Rome (At the time of Christ?).

For Revelation many have thought:

1. Egypt

2. Assyria

3. Babylon  -  Dan. 2  begins here because its in the time of Daniel in Babylon

4. medo-Persia

5. Greece

6. Rome

7. The Beast of Rev. 13 -  This is still the Iron Kingdom Rome, the iron and clay condition, still has the strength of iron but a divided kingdom Dan.2:41, it became weaken.

                                           Its the last kingdom = Dan.2 iron and clay  Dan.7 the 4th Beast  Rev.13 2beast Rev.17 8th beast is of the seven kingdom beast.

Your thoughts?

These Kingdoms are the one that has ruled over Israel or God's people.

The revived Iron Kingdom Rev. 13 & 17 will rule again, its the last one according to Dan.2 and Dan. 7. The Iron Kingdom finally die out.

 

My take on this.

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, Bible_Gazer said:

If we count up the heads in Daniel 7:
1:  The Beast with the lion head - - - -   - - - - - - - -  - 1 head

2. The Beast that looked like a Bear - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 head

3. The Beast that looked like a leopard with 4 wings - - -    4  1 heads

4. The  terrible beast - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 head.

These add up to 7  4 heads. 

 represent Babylon,  Medo-Persia , Greece and Rome (At the time of Christ?).

For Revelation many have thought:

1. Egypt

2. Assyria

3. Babylon  -  Dan. 2  begins here because its in the time of Daniel in Babylon

4. medo-Persia

5. Greece

6. Rome

7. The Beast of Rev. 13 -  This is still the Iron Kingdom Rome, the iron and clay condition, still has the strength of iron but a divided kingdom Dan.2:41, it became weaken.

                                           Its the last kingdom = Dan.2 iron and clay  Dan.7 the 4th Beast  Rev.13 2beast Rev.17 8th beast is of the seven kingdom beast.

Your thoughts?

These Kingdoms are the one that has ruled over Israel or God's people.

The revived Iron Kingdom Rev. 13 & 17 will rule again, its the last one according to Dan.2 and Dan. 7. The Iron Kingdom finally die out.

 

My take on this.

If we notice that the Beast in Rev. 13 comes up out of the sea, but the Beast in Rev. 17 comes up out of the bottomless pit - then they cannot be the same Beast.  I think the beast of chapter 17 is the wicked spirit behind the man, while the Beast of chapter 13 is the Antichrist man himself. 

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

If we notice that the Beast in Rev. 13 comes up out of the sea, but the Beast in Rev. 17 comes up out of the bottomless pit - then they cannot be the same Beast.

Or perhaps the sea is a metaphor for the abyss because of its seemingly bottomless nature.  There aren't 21 heads and 40 horns.  There are only seven heads and 10 horns.

[Bible_Gazer]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

If we notice that the Beast in Rev. 13 comes up out of the sea, but the Beast in Rev. 17 comes up out of the bottomless pit - then they cannot be the same Beast.  I think the beast of chapter 17 is the wicked spirit behind the man, while the Beast of chapter 13 is the Antichrist man himself. 

Rev. 17 8th Beast

The Woman sits on the = waters, mountains, and the Beast = these three are one union or same group.

They are all in the wilderness with the woman. v1

So the waters , mountains, and the Beast all have humanity into it.

So how much differences is the sea and water ? probably nothing

Edited January 24, 2020 by Bible_Gazer

[iamlamad]

On 1/24/2020 at 2:29 PM, Bible_Gazer said:

Rev. 17 8th Beast

The Woman sits on the = waters, mountains, and the Beast = these three are one union or same group.

They are all in the wilderness with the woman. v1

So the waters , mountains, and the Beast all have humanity into it.

So how much differences is the sea and water ? probably nothing

What is different is this one comes up out of the bottomless pit. People don't do that. The devil might. 

[Bible_Gazer]

13 hours ago, iamlamad said:

What is different is this one comes up out of the bottomless pit. People don't do that. The devil might. 

I don't think the bottomless pit is hole in the ground without a bottom to it.     Especially inside the Earth.

The beast is a people(a nation or nations)  system government and this type of system came from the ungodly false bottomless world(on top of Earth).

To me the beast from the sea, Earth and the bottomless pit is all here on the Earth, because it is about people.   

Proverbs 10:25   As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.

Ephesians 2:20   And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Luke 6:48

⁴⁸  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Luke 6:49

⁴⁹  But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

So what is the difference from this rock and the earth ? is this a real place or a condition ?

 

[iamlamad]

On 1/26/2020 at 7:23 AM, Bible_Gazer said:

I don't think the bottomless pit is hole in the ground without a bottom to it.     Especially inside the Earth.

The beast is a people(a nation or nations)  system government and this type of system came from the ungodly false bottomless world(on top of Earth).

To me the beast from the sea, Earth and the bottomless pit is all here on the Earth, because it is about people.   

Proverbs 10:25   As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.

Ephesians 2:20   And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Luke 6:48

⁴⁸  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Luke 6:49

⁴⁹  But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

So what is the difference from this rock and the earth ? is this a real place or a condition ?

 

Consider a hole in the ground (Not physical but spiritual) where  the wicked dead get dropped into hell.  There are probably many such places around the planet. An angel or demon could enter one place and come out another place on the opposite side of the planet. In other words, no "bottom."  I know one man that died three times, and went deep into the earth three times - until he saw the fires of hell. But each time got prayed back into his body. It seemed to him that he went straight down from his bedroom. The first time he came up on the porch, the second time in his bedroom, and the third time right beside his bed. 

Perhaps spirits don't need any kind of tunnel but can descend down to hell from any point on the planet's surface. 

In other words, I see no reason to make "bottomless pit" into something symbolic. 

[Bible_Gazer]

40 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Consider a hole in the ground (Not physical but spiritual) where  the wicked dead get dropped into hell.  There are probably many such places around the planet. An angel or demon could enter one place and come out another place on the opposite side of the planet. In other words, no "bottom."  I know one man that died three times, and went deep into the earth three times - until he saw the fires of hell. But each time got prayed back into his body. It seemed to him that he went straight down from his bedroom. The first time he came up on the porch, the second time in his bedroom, and the third time right beside his bed. 

Perhaps spirits don't need any kind of tunnel but can descend down to hell from any point on the planet's surface. 

In other words, I see no reason to make "bottomless pit" into something symbolic. 

So is the beast from the pit is spiritual ?

The beast from the sea and earth is not spiritual right ?

The Red Dragon Satan(not called a beast by Revealtion) is from heaven, an Angelical being, he wouldn't be spiritual since he has a body right ?

I don't think that there is a scripture to show that Satan can go back and forth in some fiery hellish place. Why would he.

So do you think Satan is in the bottomless pit now or ever has been ? 

Seem to me you think there is another world in the earth, that is free to come and go ? correct me on this if I am wrong

As far as some that believe in a hell, those being are locked up in that place, if there is really anybody there before the judgment.

 

[Justin Adams]

Only in Tartarus are the original Watchers (Aramaic) locked up until the end. The deeps are full of bad spirits. The chaos monsters are also there. the come and go as they please.

Only the low level spirits (from dead Nephilim) plague us. The other tiers are over the nations (Deut 32). They are condemned (psalm 82) but for now they hold sway over the nations and are territorial spirits. 

Edited January 27, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Marilyn C]

20 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

 

 

 

Rev.17:v.13 These (10 kings) have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the Beast (of the sea).  BUT AT THE END the of it all, the 10  kings will rise up against the woman who rides upon the Beast of sea.  The Beast of sea is the Pope or the Papacy, and the WOMAN is the Roman Catholic Church.  The 7 kings are a lineage of Popes linked to the Woman, evidently, that is a lineage of Pope Paul, from one to seven, six already are fallen, the seventh will come yet and it be Paulus VII, by the way the LAST Pope. 

Hi Oseas,

We need to think a bit more carefully here. God is revealing the Political, the Economic and Religious aspects of the Global Government. And we need to see the difference.

Now the `beast` the composite beast of Dan. 7, is Political, for it is a `fourth kingdom.`

And the Pope is only one aspect of the `woman,` false religion, and the woman is over ALL the false religions. The RC is not over all these. However the UN`s moral values are accepted though out all areas of society and in every country.

The Economic aspect of the Global Government is overseen by the `false Prophet,` who has the `buying and selling` authority (economic) and the religious side. We know the religious side gets done away with however the false prophet still continues to oversee the economic area.

regards, Marilyn.