Rapture before the antichrist in Matthew 24

[DeighAnn]

On 2/26/2020 at 8:09 PM, Revelation Man said:

The LAST TRUMP doesn't mean a Judgment Trumpet from the book of Revelation, if you notice Rev. 4:1 Jesus voice is said to sound like a TRUMP of God. It reverberates unto all of us who have the Holy Spirit, we are going to hear it and go be with the Lord. Paul, and the Disciples used the Deep things of God to teach us as they were taught. The SEVEN FEASTS of God tell us the whole history of mankind if we LISTEN.

I am going to just go as I find them or I will get lost or my internet connection will go down and I will lose everything I have written and have to start over again so I apologize for that.    

The Last trump you say isn't the last actually IS  the last in 1 Corinth 15:52 according to the original texts on which I stand.   I have just quickly copied a little bit of it from Strongs and Help word, so please don't take my word please on exactness, it was much better the first time.  
 

2078 eschatos
LAST, EXTREME

last, at the last, finally, till the end

Help Word
esxatos (from esxaton) "end,last"  properly, last, final, (the furthest, extreme-end) 


joined to nouns: the last in a series of places 
Luke 14:9:in a temporal suuccession, the last, that remains after the rest have been conquered 1 Corinth 15:26 that remains when the rest have one after another been spent  Matt 5:26  Luke 12:59  the trumpet after which no other will sound 1 Corinth 15:52

When two are contrasted it is equivalent to THE LATTER, opposed to the former

Matt 27:64 (where the meanin is:lest the latter deception, caused by the false story of his resurrection, do more harm than the former, which was about to produce belief in a false Messiah,
1 Corinth 15:45  THE LAST DAY, of all days, denotes that with which the present age which precedes the times of the Messiah or the glorious return of Christ from heaven will be closed,  ……………………..

 

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

On 2/26/2020 at 8:09 PM, Revelation Man said:

So the LAST TRUMP Ends the Harvest/Church Age. We go home to be with Jesus at that time, to Marry the Lamb in Heaven. 

There are three Heavens, our Atmosphere, the Galaxies of this Universe and the Heaven of God. Satan gets cast down at the 6th Seal but its basically at the First Seal, all of the Seals are opened at basically the exact same time. 

The last trump ends THE ENTIRE FLESH AGE for the good the bad and the animals and BEGINS the Lords Day hence 

Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Isaiah 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Satan will be bound to be loosed at the end and there will be no excuses for "flesh infirmaries" on Judgment Day.  

The 3 Heavens are AGES spoken of by Peter (and found in other places for extra witnesses of these facts) of which many remain ignorant so make up or interject things not spoken of in the Word of God

2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (NOT NOAHS FLOOD AS THE WORLD DIDN'T PERISH AS THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD PERISHED HOLDS)

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

 

[DeighAnn]

On 2/26/2020 at 9:54 PM, Revelation Man said:

So you are right, some of the peoples of those Churches will not make the Rapture. The'll then take the Mark of the Beast or repent and become Martyrs. 

So where are we told of the Judgment going on,  on the individuals right now??  Is not every man

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Are the books to be NOW to be opened before the war in heaven and Satan is cast down or during the war sometime??  Does this now become a 2 time thing not mentioned??  

AND WHY IS THE SECOND TIME MENTIONED AND NEVER A THIRD??


We know that it will be easy to separate EVERYONE when Jesus returns AFTER the trib because EVERYONE will either have the mark of the beast or they wont.  Pretty easy to separate the sheep from the goats that way.  Maybe that shout we hear as Jesus returns causes the Physical (flesh) death of those with the mark so that they go to their side of the gulf and THOSE who are alive and remain can be changed into their spiritual bodies to be forever with the Lord, here on earth, where of course, He is returning.  

[DeighAnn]

On 2/26/2020 at 8:09 PM, Revelation Man said:

The Jews are BLINDED until they Repent {1/3 do} during the 70th week, so there will be a FEW Jews who are Raptured be it dead or alive, to go marry Jesus in heaven, but most will be on earth, that is how Jesus said it would be in the Wheat {Israel} and the Tares {Wicked Mankind Parable. They both grow together until THE END !! Meanwhile, the Church is in Heaven. See Rev. 14, the THREE HARVESTS....Verse 1 is the 144,000 or ALL Israel, the Wicked Tares are put in the Wine-press in verses 18-20 and the Church was RAPTURED as we see in verse 14 in a sorta SOLILOQUY, where Jesus Harvests the Church from a cloud !! 

If God himself is blinding them for the sake of the gentiles, why would He turn around and only test them?  Shouldn't EVERYONE be tested the same?  

Who makes up the body of Christ?  Who does Christ marry?  

Is the marriage not for ALL who love the Lord?  How can a marriage take place without the 2 witnesses and Gods elect that are here to SOLDIER on for Him and the 144,000?  Is there to be yet ANOTHER marriage that is never spoken of either or do they just not count?  


Jesus came for the Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.   

Do you think they are the ones called as "Christs man" or Christians today?  If they don't make up the church, what tree are the gentiles being grafted into? And if they as "adopted sons" make up who Israel is, once again HOW do some go and some stay and who decides?  And what happens if you actually are a descendant of Israel and you are walking around reading the bible like you were just a grafted in gentile, so you make yourself unavailable to do the work you need to be doing, do you then become like Esau who didn't give a hoot about his heritage, which as you know GOD HATES?

 

[DeighAnn]

On 2/26/2020 at 8:22 PM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

We whom? "CLEARLY see the Church in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened?  In what verse is it written that the Church is in heaven BEFORE the seven seal be opened? 

Revelation 5:v.1-14

5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

² And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

³ And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

⁴ And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

⁵ And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

⁶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

⁷ And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

⁸ And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

¹⁰ And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

¹¹ And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

¹² Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

¹³ And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

¹⁴ And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Just wanted to add the question of 

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.  

Aren't the servants of our God are on earth?  And sealed IN their foreheads  means knowledge of what is coming, right?  

[DeighAnn]

On 2/26/2020 at 10:03 PM, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, DeighAnn.

Sorry to "pop the bubble," but I don't agree. Repeating what I've said to Revelation Man is necessary in this vein of thought:

There is a "rapture" as recorded in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; however, let's look at this passage carefully, step-by-step:

Let me be very clear, I believe there is NO RAPTURE away from the earth at anytime, ever.  I believe Jesus will return to the earth and those who have die (flesh death just like Annais and Sapphira???), and those who have NOT taken the mark of the beast will be changed (the first resurrection on which the second death has no power) to rule with Him for the 1000 yrs.

 I believe when Jesus was reading in Isaiah and sat down in the middle of the sentence before He read "and the day of vengeance" means just that.  He is returning as Lord of lord and King of kings and The Day of vengeance in which the Lords Day will begin.  I believe that any deviation from that is AN OUTRIGHT THEFT of that glory, brought on by false doctrines to  destroy truth found in the word of God.  

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.  

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
I believe that "pre trib" anything is EXACTLY what we are being warned against here.  BELIEVE IT NOT.
 

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
And how very convincing  false doctrinesthat anyone who has not studied to show themselves approved will  easily believe.   

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
HE ISN'T GOING TO BE FOUND coming ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME EXCEPT WHEN HE RETURNS FOREVER

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
There is no mention of "another or different" coming or return

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 AND THEN SHALL APPEAR  the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Statements like this one are made all over the place with NEVER A HINT as to multiple or plural returns in the end times.  Not another sign, another cloud, or another anything.  

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
 

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
NOT part of this generation will be going off to heaven and the rest left

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Satan and his angels on earth like the angels who left their habitation during Noahs time will be here, WHO WOULD THIS warning BE FOR IF NOT CHRISTIANS of that generation?
 

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Just as it will be for all who will take the mark

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
WHAT IS THE SUBJECT BEING DISCUSSED?  THE FALLEN ANGELS.  SO WHO IS DOING THE FIRST TAKING?  SATAN

Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Sorry,  I don't understand  what bubble you "burst" of mine.  

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
I believe that "pre trib" anything is EXACTLY what we are being warned against here.  BELIEVE IT NOT.

True.  Pretrib is a fantasy.

• I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.  John 17:15

If we weren't supposed to encounter tribulation, we would be gone when we accept Christ.  That's obviously not the case.  Best to be prepared.

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I am going to just go as I find them or I will get lost or my internet connection will go down and I will lose everything I have written and have to start over again so I apologize for that.    

The Last trump you say isn't the last actually IS  the last in 1 Corinth 15:52 according to the original texts on which I stand.   I have just quickly copied a little bit of it from Strongs and Help word, so please don't take my word please on exactness, it was much better the first time.  
 

2078 eschatos
LAST, EXTREME

last, at the last, finally, till the end

Help Word
esxatos (from esxaton) "end,last"  properly, last, final, (the furthest, extreme-end) 


joined to nouns: the last in a series of places 
Luke 14:9:in a temporal suuccession, the last, that remains after the rest have been conquered 1 Corinth 15:26 that remains when the rest have one after another been spent  Matt 5:26  Luke 12:59  the trumpet after which no other will sound 1 Corinth 15:52

When two are contrasted it is equivalent to THE LATTER, opposed to the former

Matt 27:64 (where the meanin is:lest the latter deception, caused by the false story of his resurrection, do more harm than the former, which was about to produce belief in a false Messiah,
1 Corinth 15:45  THE LAST DAY, of all days, denotes that with which the present age which precedes the times of the Messiah or the glorious return of Christ from heaven will be closed,  ……………………..

 

 

 

 

You conflate the LAST TRUMP of the Seven Feast cycles that ENDS THE HARVEST {Church Age} with a Trump in the book of Revelation that is a Judgment Trump, AND that John wrote about in the 90th some odd year of the 1st Century, whilst Paul wrote about the Last Trump 25-30 years earlier than that. What I see, by being in the Church and preaching for over 30 years is laymen {women} way too often jump to unwarranted conclusions because they fail to put the overall puzzle of God {Bible} together via the way God told us to.....Here a little, there a little, precept upon precept, line upon line etc. etc...... So they take phrases like LAST TRUMP and without context say LOOK...LOOK....this has to be speaking about the Trumps of Revelation. 

Now think rationally, what does a JUDGMENT TRUMP have to do with a Trump {Shofar} that ENDS the Harvest, which is what we are in today, the Harvest. You take the word LAST and LOSE the Context !!

The Last Trump of each year Ended the Harvest and called Israel to ATONE. It was the LAST TRUMP of the Feasts. Context matters, surly it was not the last time every year a Trump was blown in Israel, so its was the Last Trump that made an ANNOUNCEMENT via the Seven Feasts. It was not some Billy Bob blowing the shofar out in the desert, or maybe even David blowing the Shofar to greet someone. Its all about Context, and the context here is the HARVEST {Church Age} ENDS. You can get it or not sister, but I suspect if you have predisposed ideas you like many others will see what you wanna see.

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The last trump ends THE ENTIRE FLESH AGE for the good the bad and the animals and BEGINS the Lords Day hence 

 

Sister, you have to make a point yourself, I know the scriptures, its OK to post scriptures if you are trying to make a mini point, but to just post a bunch of scriptures advances nothing in the conversation. I already know them. The Last Trump ends the Church Age........ATONEMENT of Israel is still to come. You keep listening to people with these ideas and you might see some of them on earth at the Tribulation, but you will not see the Church of Jesus here sister. P.S. What I am saying is MAKE YOUR POINT, then do this (Isaiah 11:4-10} or (Matthew 24:29-31). I know what they are already, you are just wasting time UNLESS you place one or two POWERFUL POINTS in the mist of your over all point LIKE THIS:

Jesus will come back with the Church IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation.....Matt. 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

That is a POWER POINT to an idea someone has that gives clarity, just posting 10-15 verses really doesn't show me your thinking at all on anything. I can go read the scriptures, I am here to discuss our faith/Prophecy. 

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So where are we told of the Judgment going on,  on the individuals right now??  Is not every man

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Are the books to be NOW to be opened before the war in heaven and Satan is cast down or during the war sometime??  Does this now become a 2 time thing not mentioned??  

AND WHY IS THE SECOND TIME MENTIONED AND NEVER A THIRD??


We know that it will be easy to separate EVERYONE when Jesus returns AFTER the trib because EVERYONE will either have the mark of the beast or they wont.  Pretty easy to separate the sheep from the goats that way.  Maybe that shout we hear as Jesus returns causes the Physical (flesh) death of those with the mark so that they go to their side of the gulf and THOSE who are alive and remain can be changed into their spiritual bodies to be forever with the Lord, here on earth, where of course, He is returning.  

No, your timing is wrong, the SHOUT comes in Rev. 4:1, BEFORE the Seals are even opened. Jesus calls the Church/Bride home. The Jews are going to REPENT during the 70th week. People who were not full of the Holy Spirit, even if they went to Church, will not go to meet the Lord in the air to go to Heaven. This they will have to REPENT THEMSELVES, and they are the Martyrs under the altar at the 5th Seal. 

The sad thing is we have people leading others astray on this subject, and they will have to answer for that. I don't go back and forth with walls of stone, God teaches me to go around trouble. Jesus came back again in John 20. There is only TWO ADVENTS. But that has nothing to do with anything but Jesus living on this planet TWICE.........Once as a Sacrificial Lamb...........and once as a Conquering King. 

Lets say I was the Gov. of New York TWICE, but lived my whole life there, people could talk about my TWO ERAS as Gov. but that doesn't have to be the only thing I did during my whole life !! 

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

If God himself is blinding them for the sake of the gentiles, why would He turn around and only test them?  Shouldn't EVERYONE be tested the same?  

Who makes up the body of Christ?  Who does Christ marry?  

Is the marriage not for ALL who love the Lord?  How can a marriage take place without the 2 witnesses and Gods elect that are here to SOLDIER on for Him and the 144,000?  Is there to be yet ANOTHER marriage that is never spoken of either or do they just not count?  


Jesus came for the Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.   

Do you think they are the ones called as "Christs man" or Christians today?  If they don't make up the church, what tree are the gentiles being grafted into? And if they as "adopted sons" make up who Israel is, once again HOW do some go and some stay and who decides?  And what happens if you actually are a descendant of Israel and you are walking around reading the bible like you were just a grafted in gentile, so you make yourself unavailable to do the work you need to be doing, do you then become like Esau who didn't give a hoot about his heritage, which as you know GOD HATES?

Go read Dan. 8:24-27, the 70 Weeks Judgment. Israel has to repent DURING the 70th week Judgment, they didn't, the killed Jesus or REJECTED God in the flesh. Thus God forsook them for nigh 2000 years. Thus he BLINDED THEM as a Nation, but only IN PART {See Romans 11} because Paul, Peter and other Jews started the Church, there has always been a few Messianic Jews. The Jews forsook God so He forsook them. He will call them to repentance during the 70th week, which only begins AFTER the Rapture. 

Israel MARRIED God a long time ago, its in the Old Testament sister. God divorced them, for a time, but will receive them again once they repent. The Bride of Christ will Marry the Lamb in Heaven. REMEMBER, there were TWO BRIDES, the one Jacob WANTED {Rachel} and Leah. The 144,000 are Jews who are already Married unto God, they just need to repent, its like a Harlot wife gone astray. God wants them to turn from their Harlotry of old where they served false gods, did evil, and rejected God in the Flesh {Jesus}. So the 144,000 is not really 144,000 people, that is a Metaphor for ALL Israel, or every Jew who repents. In Zechariah 13:8-9 we see that 1/3 of the Jews REPENT and 2/3 refuse to REPENT and thus Perish. The 144,000 there fore stand for 2-3 million Jews. 12 is the number for Fullness, therefore 12 x 12,000 = ALL Israel. Not every Jew, but Israel as a Nation....REPENTS !! Amen.

The Gentile Church doesn't need GRAFTING BACK IN........Power Point Demonstration .........

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou {Gentile Church} standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

So we don;t need Grafting in sister, because we live BY FAITH.......They were cut off because of UNBELIEF, we stand BY FAITH, otherwise we will be cut off also if we turn from our faith, but Paul then says, IF THEY TURN BACK TO God !! {Abide NOT in unbelief} then they shall be Grafted BACK IN !! S we were Grafted into the TREE of Faith, Abraham was made Righteous because he BELIEVED God, s we were Grafted into the Family of God via FAITH ALONE. Likewise when Israel calls upon Jesus, they too will be GRAFTED back in to the Tree of Faith that gives life, Faith in God alone saves us, not anything we do, it is a gift of God. Amen. 

Jesus was speaking about His Ministry on earth. He was under the Law, his Death freed Israel from the Law. His ministry was to the Jews ONLY, but then he called Paul to go to the Gentiles as Paul's Ministry. Jesus was/is the Messiah of the Jews, but he is also the Sacrificial Lamb for all mankind. 

The Decision is that ALL WHO BELIEVE God will be SAVED. Israel is just blinded as a Nation until the Gentile Church is Raptured, as  individuals they can still come unto God. Remember, FEW there be that find the way, so only a small percentage of Gentiles FIND THE WAY ALSO !! 

[DeighAnn]

59 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Last Trump ends the Church Age.

Not just the church age but the entire dispensation in which we ALL, everyone, those who have received the mark and those who have not received the mark ALL go into the Lords Day.  The Lord returns to earth.  Period.  If He were coming to "Pre Trib" anyone He would not need to bring ANYONE with Him.  He is bringing armies and saints because He is coming to put Satan down and begin the Lords Day.  

You keep going to the feasts to set your timetable.  Where do we find GOD TELLING US the end times happen in that order?  

Paul was to go to the gentiles.  One of the first letters he wrote was Thess.  They were MISUNDERSTANDING the first one way back then, so he wrote the second letter to be SUPER clear and EXPAIN  in no uncertain terms that WE DO NOT GATHER UNTIL AFTER Satan has stood where he ought nought.  3 times, back to back,  he was very clear about where EVERYONE would be when Christ returned, the Church which is made up of those Christ came to call better known as the lost sheep,  the gentiles to whom salvation had been opened and were now to be grafted into the branches and whomsoever would.    Paul had many more letters to HINT that there would be a "Pre" gathering and how the emphatic the letter to the Thesses should maybe not be quite so emphatic, yet he NEVER DID. You know why?  Because there is no Pre trib anything but death.   Christ NEVER SPOKE of it.  That doesn't bother you but  it does bother me.  

It isn't only that.  I can't tell you how many places in the Word that a pre trib reference could have and/or should have been made IF IT WERE GODS TRUTH.  WHY does anyone believe there is a pre trib?  Because we are not appointed to suffer wrath and Satans trib has been combined with Gods wrath.  But in fact Gods Wrath doesn't even begin until the Lord returns.  Up until then it is just a testing.  Just like the testing will come at the end of the millennium.  

You seem to think that "the church" has to go early for a wedding yet  it could  ONLY BE AN INCOMPLETE one.    You have those who are going to OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END as not being a part of the many membered body. You have the 144,000 as not a part of the many membered body.   You have the very elect as not a part of the many membered body.  You have the two witnesses and not a part of the many membered body.  YET if as THE BIBLE tells us He returns a second time for the Day of Vengeance and ALL ARE CHANGED, at that point, ALL WHO make the first resurrection are present and accounted for.  

Once again WHAT IS THE PURPOSE?  There are already billions in heaven.  What is the point for "most, BUT still NOT ALL" of the last generation to be flown away?  What is the RUSH all of a sudden?  Why not do it a couple generations back?  After all SOME are being left to STAND UP, FULLY SUITED IN THE GOSPEL ARMOR WITH FAITH TO KNOW THAT GOD WILL PROVIDE ALL needed and  willing to have a 10 day trial, being faithful unto death, not taking the mark of the beast and all the rest.  Why out of the last 6 thousand years would God, when a time of tribulation never seen or ever will be again take HIS PLAYERS out of the game, so to speak??  
 

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Why would all of a sudden the FINAL GENERATION this  not apply to? 

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

What, the final generation is not to be made perfect?

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

 
What, is the final generation not to be blessed either?

1  Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

1 Corinthians 10:15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

So who are the ensamples for??  Everyone BUT most of the last generation of Christians?

EVEN Jesus resisted a temptation by the devil when He was at his weakest.  He showed us how to do it.  Then when it matters most, they all gone???   No, we are to put on that gospel armor and ARMOR is for battle, not a wedding.  

 Mark 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
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Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Are you saying this does not apply to the "church" in the final generation?  

Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
THIS IS WHAT THE ELECT KNOW AND LIVE AND PUT THEIR FAITH IN

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
AND WE KNOW WHAT IS COMING

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Putting on the whole gospel armor to withstand WHAT?  The fiery darts of Satan.

No, I do not plan on being harvested out of season.  When they say Look here is Christ, I know they will be/are lying and I believe that  not no matter how they try to tell me to follow the feasts and what order they see them as happening, I better follow the Word and if God has so planned, it will follow the feasts in His order.    I shall either tabernacle with Christ when I die or when He returns to END the deception of the world on the Day of Vengeance.  Just like the Good Book says.  

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Matthew 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

 I believe it is the rightly dividing that is causing the problem. It is the going to "here a little there a little"  FIRST that causes problems.  

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

 

 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Israel MARRIED God a long time ago, its in the Old Testament sister.

And He married Jerusalem  

Ezekiel 15:8 And I will make the land desolate, because they have committed a trespass, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 16:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 16:2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Ezekiel 16:4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

Ezekiel 16:5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

Ezekiel 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

Ezekiel 16:7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

Ezekiel 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

Ezekiel 16:9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

Ezekiel 16:10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

Ezekiel 16:11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

Ezekiel 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

Ezekiel 16:13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

Ezekiel 16:16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

And yes, He gave a bill of divorce in Jeremiah 3:8 and I will continue later

Edited February 29, 2020 by DeighAnn
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