Rapture before the antichrist in Matthew 24

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Yes, I did notice.  If I may ask WHEN were the stars or constellations formed? 

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

An Age, yes?  Same as the labor pains that will/are being felt as another new age comes upon us, yes?  


A couple of questions before I go on, if you don't mind because if we are not proceeding from this same foundation, there is no point to continue.  I have done as instructed, put forth Truth.  

 When did the "not yet called Satan, the serpent, the dragon"  exist without sin?  or When was iniquity found in him? 
Surely BEFORE the garden of this age, yes?  

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. (SO THIS HAPPENS FIRST, IN HEAVEN)

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


WHEN was it that ALL THE SONS OF GOD (FINITE NUMBER) shouted for joy and the MORNING STARS (FINITE NUMBER) sang together?  WHO was CAST TO THE EARTH? 

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


GOD tells us, AND is MOST SPECIFIC with the wording.  If you would like to tell me "it means something different", or "that isn't what He meant",  please don't.  There is nothing anyone could say that would make me "DRAW BACK" FROM this understanding.  
GOD has said EXACTLY what God means.  

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

HEBREW -  NOT IN VAIN = LO TOHU


GOD ALSO tells us, and is most specific  with the wording once again, though the translation in my opinion was done by a kenite, but that is an opinion.  

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

HEBREW -  FORMLESS AND VOID  =  TOHU WA BOHU

Which brings us to the word "WAS"  =  1961  hayah  to fall out, come to pass, became, be 
Same as in Gen 31 when speaking of the serpent


Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent WAS more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


Truth and Reality through hours of searching, seeking and prayer.  Pretty much went kicking and screaming the whole way even continued searching for anyway possible that it could be put differently, mean different things, be an analogy, just spiritual etc,  the whole nine yards.  It is what it is and not only that, it answers SOO many questions that CAN NOT be answered with any other Scripture.   It does not conflict with anything, not one verse so far.  

So you see, we could not be further apart on this.  We don't even have this event taking place in the same age or the same place.  Does your belief conflict with any of Gods Words?  Do you have to "make it fit?"  What is the point of telling John they tried to kill Him?  The Word already clearly told us this fact.  

So what is being shown is "ages".  That is why your explanation doesn't make any sense to the words written by God.  But as Peter so penned for the LORD

2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:  

Genesis 1:2 And the earth BECAME without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (if it were the flood of Noahs time, Noah would have perished, and most certainly if darkness was upon the face of the deep there weren't any olive trees growing.  And I looked up the word perished no room for wiggle there) 

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 If I may ask WHEN were the stars or constellations formed?   In Genesis chapter 1  ;-) In Rev. 12 Jesus is just showing in vision form the constellations of Virgo and Draco.  They were made long before man was on the earth.

And Age, yes?   The woman struggling to give birth, IN CONTEXT is Mary of Israel.  Remember, the purpose of the first five verses was to show John what the dragon did when Jesus was very young. Many people wish to put a 2020 spin on these first 5 verses. I don't. They are about Jesus as a boy.

Yes, EARTH is experiencing birth pains  - to birth the Millennial reign of Christ.

Surely BEFORE the garden of this age, yes?    Yes, Satan existed without sin for some unknown amount of time as the leader of worship in heaven - as I have heard.

I am convinced, God put the constellations in the sky before Adam was created.

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
    Tell me, if you understand.
⁵ Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
    Who stretched a measuring line across it?
⁶ On what were its footings set,
    or who laid its cornerstone—
⁷ while the morning stars sang together
    and all the angels^[a] shouted for joy?

It seems it was when earth was being created. What was your point? It went right over my head. (I am just glad I was not Job then!)

You pretty much lost me on the rest of your post. Please allow me to say one more thing:

This was Jesus speaking to me: I heard His voice and His words:

He said, “go and study chapter 12.”

I did not want to do this. I was in an intense study of chapters 4 & 5, and the last thing I wanted to do was to go to another chapter. However, I was obedient, and flipped the pages of my bible to chapter 12. When I got my bible opened to chapter 12, He spoke again.

“Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns.”

So I counted,very carefully: 32 times. I replied, “I see that this chapter is about the dragon. I counted 32 times.” I was not “in the spirit” at this time, because I marked all the mentions of the Dragon and then counted them up. He waited for me.

He spoke again.

 “I also chose to show John how the dragon attempted to kill me as a young child. Those first five verses were a ‘history lesson’ for John.”

He let that sink in, and suddenly He said,

“now you can go back to chapters 4 & 5.”

As you can see, I do not just come up with some theory out of the blue. 

 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

Luke 21

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

In the Gospel of Luke he says BEFORE all these things (false Christ, nations rising, wars, famines etc) and describes what happen in Jerusalem in 70AD.

You will also notice that there are different people and a different location in the Gospels of Matt 24 and Mark 13 as compared to Luke 21.

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your thoughts here.  I will go back and spend some more time there,  I think this is where I stalled out last time.  God must not be ready for me to fully understand yet, though  I must admit,  I haven't given it the time and discipline for me to receive the deeper clarity.   Once again thank you.  

 

[The Light]

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your thoughts here.  I will go back and spend some more time there,  I think this is where I stalled out last time.  God must not be ready for me to fully understand yet, though  I must admit,  I haven't given it the time and discipline for me to receive the deeper clarity.   Once again thank you.  

 

You are most welcome. He (she) that seeks will find. These things are hard to understand, because it's God. But He loves when we seek to know the truth. All the best to you in your search.

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Satan and his fallen ones are being cast to the earth.  This is probably referring to a time before earth was created, when Satan rebelled.

CHRIST and His army are coming to the earth.   Yes, at the end of this age. But the church is coming down with Him.

The Millennial Kingdom is here on earth.  Not now! All the events of Rev. 8 through 16 must take place first.

God will be coming to the earth.  YOu mean God the Father? Show us a verse. 

The Great Throne Judgment is on the earth.  No, the earth and heavens are destroyed and "no place was found for them" 

The lake of fire is on the earth.  Who knows? It may be in the center of the earth.

The NEW CITY will be coming to the earth.  Yes, but to the NEW earth.

Gods favorite place in the universe in here on this earth.  

Heaven is where ever God is.

Satan and his fallen ones are being cast to the earth.  This is probably referring to a time before earth was created, when Satan rebelled

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


CHRIST and His army are coming to the earth.   Yes, at the end of this age. But the church is coming down with Him.

What purpose of God does a "pre trib" rap of a partial church or partial body of Christ meet?  WHY go to heaven to come back to earth for the wedding of the Lamb which happens on earth and doesn't take place until AFTER the lake of fire.  Or is there another wedding?  And is the church the Body of Christ or the Bride of Christ?
 

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM AND THEY SHALL BE HIS PEOPLE AND GOD HIMSELF SHALL BE WITH THEM AND BE THEIR GOD. 

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, COME HITHER, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMBS WIFE. 

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, AND SHEWED ME THAT GREAT CITY, THE HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD

How can someone overcome and endure to the end SO AS TO RECEIVE the promises,  if they are taken away first?  


We definitely differ on an entire new EARTH. 

I believe it is THIS earth made new through rejuvenation AND it is the beginning of a new age.  Why else melt the Strongs 4747?  

 

[iamlamad]

14 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Satan and his fallen ones are being cast to the earth.  This is probably referring to a time before earth was created, when Satan rebelled

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


CHRIST and His army are coming to the earth.   Yes, at the end of this age. But the church is coming down with Him.

What purpose of God does a "pre trib" rap of a partial church or partial body of Christ meet?  WHY go to heaven to come back to earth for the wedding of the Lamb which happens on earth and doesn't take place until AFTER the lake of fire.  Or is there another wedding?  And is the church the Body of Christ or the Bride of Christ?
 

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM AND THEY SHALL BE HIS PEOPLE AND GOD HIMSELF SHALL BE WITH THEM AND BE THEIR GOD. 

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, COME HITHER, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMBS WIFE. 

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, AND SHEWED ME THAT GREAT CITY, THE HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD

How can someone overcome and endure to the end SO AS TO RECEIVE the promises,  if they are taken away first?  


We definitely differ on an entire new EARTH. 

I believe it is THIS earth made new through rejuvenation AND it is the beginning of a new age.  Why else melt the Strongs 4747?  

 

What purpose of God does a "pre trib" rap of a partial church or partial body of Christ meet?  Why do you say "partial body of Christ?" Who would be left out? Only those not prepared when He comes for His saints.  It is my belief they lost their chance to become a part of the church. Oh, they can be believers, but to become one of the born again? I think that door closes at the rapture which ends the church age. The 70th week is old covenant. No one was born again back then. 

WHY go to heaven to come back to earth for the wedding of the Lamb which happens on earth and doesn't take place until AFTER the lake of fire.  You are kind of mixed up here. The marriage  - show in Rev. 19 - is in heaven after the 70th week has finished. (God waits for the resurrection of the Old Covenant saints which comes on the last day of the week.) The supper follows the marriage - also in heaven. Finally, after the supper, The armies of Heaven follow Jesus to earth to Armageddon.  Why go to heaven? To avoid His wrath on earth. Did you not read that God will make no appointments for us with His wrath?

Or is there another wedding?  And is the church the Body of Christ or the Bride of Christ? There will be one more marriage and supper as shown in Rev. 19. The church is both the body of Christ and the Bride. 

Revelation 12:7-12 the war in heaven. I must have not understood you. This war in heaven comes right after the kingdoms of the world are given to Jesus Christ: He gets His planet back! Satan and al demons are cast down to earth. i guess you could say they lose their wings. This war will begin with the sounding of the 7th trumpet that marks the midpoint of the week.

How can someone overcome and endure to the end SO AS TO RECEIVE the promises,  if they are taken away first?   This is speaking to two different people groups. The Gentile church of today will be caught up. The Jews don't believe in Jesus so are left behind. THEY must overcome to the end.

We definitely differ on an entire new EARTH.  How could we differ? The scriptures on this are very plain. Rev. 20:

¹¹ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.  (This is after the 1000 years are finished.)

21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

See  how simple God made this?

[The Light]

15 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

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That is the Rapture, shown in Matt. 24:36-51.

That is A rapture. And yet you think the preceding two verses is the second coming when Christ comes to set up His kingdom.

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I agree that Rev. 14 is THE HARVEST Chapter. It covers a full 7 years. We see Jesus show up on Mt. Zion, he saves the Jews in Petra, and they are shown with him on Mt. Zion in verse 1, Israel are thus THE WHEAT, in verses 18-20 we see THE TARES, the Wicked that God places in His Wine-press, and slays them or BINDS them into bundles to be burned at a later date {Second Resurrection/Second Death in 1000 years}. 

No, we see Jesus with the 144,000 first fruits of the coming pre wrath harvest. This his nothing to do with the 1000 years.

 

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But in a sorta SOLILOQUY, in verse 14, we see where Jesus Raptured the Church from a Cloud by thrusting in the Sickle Himself. Verses 18 and 19 however have nothing to do with that time-frame, it happens 7 years earlier. The book of Revelation is not a Sequenced book. 

Verses 18 and 19 have everything to do with that time frame. Rev 14 is the prewrath rapture of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. It is the gathering from heaven and earth that we see in Rev 6 and Matt 24.

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Why do you CHANGE Gospels to try and get a preferred outcome brother ?  Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

First off,  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Secondly, do you think the verse in Mark is wrong and there is not a gathering from HEAVEN AND EARTH? Thirdly, maybe you don't realize that the 4 winds blow on earth and not in heaven, hence, it is a gathering from the earth and heaven. I am trying to clarify the facts, using scripture, not fool anyone.

Rev 7

 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

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Now you see what it says ? 

We are Gathered FROM Heaven to return with Jesus just like Rev. 19 says. We Marry the Lamb and the Return with Jesus. Now God will also Gather his on earth when WE GET HERE, but the Bride is in Heaven, we are Gathered from Heaven FIRST.....So whatever Mark is speaking of in no wise mitigates what Matthew is speaking about. Changing books doesn't null and void the other Gospel brother.

 

The gathering is before the wedding supper. The Church and the 12 tribes will go to heaven for the marriage supper after the gathering.

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Brother, come on man, so you don't understand the difference between the OUTER WALL and the Temple ? Not one whit of the Temple stands today, the Temple of God is not the same as the outer wall of the Gentiles brother, come on !! 

Matt 24

² And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I understand that ALL the stones will be cast down. There will be a temple built and the ALL the stones will be cast down. Not some of the stones. Not most of the stones. ALL of the stones.

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I have done an Exegesis on Matt. 24, verses 4-6 and it is about 70 AD. Vs. 7-14 is about the Church Age and verses 15-31 is about the 70th week tribulation. 

No sir. Those verses are about the end of the age. The 1st 6 seals of revelation are the same thing that Jesus is talking about. This is not 70 AD.

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So you are just off on your own and everybody else is wrong ?

No sir. There are many that understand the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the same coming that you see in Rev 6 at the 6th seal. They believe in a pre wrath rapture. They are correct that there will be a pre wrath rapture, but it won't be the Church that is raptured, as the Church is already in heaven before the seals are opened.

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 I know we can have revelation, like I do on where the Anti-Christ is born and what the 1260, 1290 and 1335 means, but no one knows those things yet.

So what do 1260, 1290, and 1335 mean, if you could elaborate?

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What you are trying to say is that the things we have known for eons are wrong, when its clear they are not wrong, your thesis on them is IMHO, wrong brother.

I find it quite odd that Jesus tells us that the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light and the stars will fall from heaven and then John tells us the exact same thing in Revelation and it's right in front of your face and you and others reject this absolute truth because you can't understand how the time line works. So you reject the obvious truth that they are the same event being talked of and wander around compounding the error screwing up the time frame of the abomination of desolation, and countless other things and end up with the Church going through the wrath of God when Paul clearly tells us that we are not appointed to wrath, as in there will be a gathering BEFORE the wrath of God. Why not just put things where God says they go. Matt 24 is the gathering from heaven and earth, prior to the wrath of God. The Church is not appointed to wrath and will not be on the earth during the wrath. Further, they will not be on earth during the tribulation. They will be raptured before any seals are opened.

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So the Tribulation of THOSE DAYS starts in the Middle of the week at the 1260 event

No sir. The tribulation of those day starts at the beginning of the week. The great tribulation is toward the end of the week after the abomination of desolation is set up.

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and the 6th Seal is opened at the 1260 event,

The sixth seal is opened immediately after the tribulation of those days. Then Jesus comes for the gathering and He stays in the clouds. He sends His angels to gather His elect.

 

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So after the TRIBULATION DAYS we will see Jesus come back, WELL YEA............ Of course we do

Yes, but He will stay in the clouds and not return to earth at this time to setup His kingdom. He will send His angels to gather His elect from heaven and earth. Then the marriage supper will happen.

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, the tribulation period lasts 3.5 years,

No sir. 7 Years. It is the 70 WEEK of Daniel when God has turned his attention to the Jews as the fullness of the Gentiles will come in at the pretrib rapture.

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that is why Israel is in HIDING !! 1260 DAYS !! So Israel just stays in hiding because shes happy being in Petra ? NO, Because the Anti-Christ is killing people for 1260 days brother !!

When the abomination of desolation is set up at the END OF THE WEEK, there will be some in the nation of Israel that flee as they have been instructed. That is when the dragon goes after the remnant of the womans seed. This of course is the remnant of the 12 tribes that are of the woman's seed. Can't be the Church as they are already in heaven. Additionally, the church is not the seed of the woman.

 

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Jesus is God......The Wrath begins with the 1st Trumpet but the Seven Seals are Jesus speaking about what the Anti-Christ is going to do over the same 42 month time frame as His Wrath !! The first 5 Seals are telling us what the Anti-Christ 42 month reign of terror will bring, then the 6th Seal tells us God's Wrath is near and the 7th Seal ushers it all in, NOTHING can be read from the scroll until ALL 7 Seals are opened.

The Wrath and the Greatest Ever Troubles cover the exact same 42 months. 

 

The wrath does begin with the 1st trumpet. However, the 70th week is a 7 year period of tribulation. The 42 of wrath come AFTER THE TRIBULATION. What comes IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. Jesus comes for the gathering, THEN THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS. The week is over BEFORE the wrath begins. There is a difference between tribulation and wrath and you have the Church going through the wrath of God when the Church is not appointed to wrath.

 

 

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You need to go back to work on your TIMING brother. 

If you would only put things where God says they go, you would understand that everything fits perfectly.

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NO....They are all opened on day 1261, the Anti-Christ is the White Horse Conqueror and he rules 42 months. 

Those 42 months are after the 70th week.

 

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Might want to look at It's Supernatural from last week.... the Asteroid is named after an old Egyptian false god !! They say its going to ease by out of one side of their mouth, and with the other side they say it could affect all of our Satellites, well if its that close, there is no way they can tell if its going to hit IMHO, and NOTICE Trump creates a Space Force last year. 

Very, very interesting.

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Suffice it to say I think you are in over your head on timing issues brother, its not your strong suit.

Brother, I already understand why the things you are saying don't work, starting with you have the Church in the wrath of God when Paul says the gathering will happen before the Day of the Lord. The day starts with the wrath of God.

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Some people just can't put those things together, and I know you are strong in the faith, so I can't hold that against you too much. I kinda get frustrated when I see confusion, this is easy to me, it didn't use to be that way, so I should not get so frustrated in reality. 

Don't you find it odd that Jesus says there will be signs in the sun, moon and stars and John says the same thing and you reject this truth that they are the same event, because you (and many prophecy experts) can't get the time line to work. Do you really think that the Church is on earth during the wrath of God?

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You know, its like walking blindfolded in a maze, when you finally get to where you understand every inch of the maze like a blind person would, you kinda wonder why everyone else is so handicapped, but alas, you used to be that way yourself. So I digress.

Brother, I know you think that you know and I am clueless, but I already know why the things you are saying are wrong. I used to think the same thing as you, so it's not like I don't know what you are talking about. Until you understand that the 6th seal and the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the same event, you are in confusion, without realizing it.

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! So the 7th Trump is the  3rd Woe which is the 7 Vials.In other words we are told of it SOUNDING in Rev. 11, but we get the DETAILS in Rev. 16. 

No Brother, the 7th trump is not the 7 vials. The 7 vials is just another view of the trumpets.

Rev 6, the six seal has a coming of Jesus for the gathering and then the wrath of God begins, with the trumpets. Rev 14 has a coming of Jesus for the gathering and then the wrath of God begins, with the vials. YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME EVENT.

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Lets just say, you are not in the NEVER NEVER category of Seals being opened 2000 years ago. There are THREE Harvests, as In explained above. You timing on all things is what is discombobulated. There is no 144,000 per se, that is a Metaphor for ALL Israel who Repent

No sir, the 144,000 are not a metaphor. We can prove this because the 144,000 are first fruits. Therefore they could not me a Metaphor for all of Israel.

 

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No, it can't be, Israel has to REPENT before the 70th week can come to pass.

I know of no scripture that says Israel has to repent BEFORE the 70th week. If you have a scripture that says this, I would like to see it. I am aware of a scripture that says the fullness of the Gentiles must come in before the blindness is removed from part of Israel.

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God Bless.

Thank you sir.

 

[Revelation Man]

19 hours ago, The Light said:

That is A rapture. And yet you think the preceding two verses is the second coming when Christ comes to set up His kingdom.

 

Yes, they come afterward's but Matthew was not given the Rapture understanding so naturally, they would sound alike to him. But it wasn't the preceding two verses, there were verses 32-35 in between, the Parable of the SIGNS so to speak. There were no chapters and verses, as far as we know verses 36-51 could have been a whole nother speech at a different time, or it might have gone with ch. 25 the call to the Wedding Chambers. 

19 hours ago, The Light said:

No, we see Jesus with the 144,000 first fruits of the coming pre wrath harvest. This his nothing to do with the 1000 years.

 

Yes, God married the Jews first, the Bride of Jesus will be married second. Jacob had TWO BRIDES, the preferred and the one not chosen, we (Church), were not preferred, but we were chosen when the preferred Bride failed. The Wheat grows with the TARES until the very end. Not the Church of Christ, we go to Heaven to marry the Lamb. Thus go read the Wheat and Tare Parable again, the tares are BUNDLED TOGETHER to be burned at a later time, I am telling you that parable is about the Wheat {Israel} the TARES {Worldly men} GROWING TOGETHER until the very end, unlike the Church who goes to be with Jesus. Then when Jesus returns WITH US, he Harvests the Wheat {Israel} by GATHERING them unto his barn, and he BUNDLES {kills} the Wicked Tares to be BURNED at a later time {a 1000 years later at the Second Resurrection is when they will be Judged AND Burned, the bible says so.}

19 hours ago, The Light said:

Verses 18 and 19 have everything to do with that time frame. Rev 14 is the prewrath rapture of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. It is the gathering from heaven and earth that we see in Rev 6 and Matt 24.

 

No, it's not brother, that is the Church being Raptured in verses 14, or the Bride of Christ. There are no 12 tribes scattered, they are all called Jews today, there were never any lost tribes, that is a MYTH. The 144,000 are the Jews who Flee Judea as Jesus tells them to do when they See the AoD.

19 hours ago, The Light said:

First off,  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Secondly, do you think the verse in Mark is wrong and there is not a gathering from HEAVEN AND EARTH? Thirdly, maybe you don't realize that the 4 winds blow on earth and not in heaven, hence, it is a gathering from the earth and heaven. I am trying to clarify the facts, using scripture, not fool anyone.

Rev 7

 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Mark doesn't change what Matthew says, that's my point. We {Church} return from Heaven with Jesus after marrying the Lamb AFTER the Tribulation of those days. 

19 hours ago, The Light said:

The gathering is before the wedding supper. The Church and the 12 tribes will go to heaven for the marriage supper after the gathering.

 

The Marriage Supper is Armageddon, my brother. ON EARTH. We Marry in Heaven and return to Earth for " THE FEAST" so to speak. {Metaphorically} it's like our revenge {those under the Altar at the 5th Seal wanted Vengeance} against those who mocked and martyred us for 1000's of years as the humble servants of Jesus Christ. We revel in Jesus' Glory. Amen. 

19 hours ago, The Light said:

Matt 24

² And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I understand that ALL the stones will be cast down. There will be a temple built and the ALL the stones will be cast down. Not some of the stones. Not most of the stones. ALL of the stones.

The Temple has been destroyed, you can play pretend otherwise if you so desire. It avails nothing. It only leads you down a rabbit hole in this instance. SMILE...........My smiley face got left off so I added one, he, he. 

19 hours ago, The Light said:

No sir. Those verses are about the end of the age. The 1st 6 seals of revelation are the same thing that Jesus is talking about. This is not 70 AD.

 

NOPE....There is zero verses about the 70th week until Matt. 24:15. PERIOD.

19 hours ago, The Light said:

No sir. There are many that understand the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the same coming that you see in Rev 6 at the 6th seal. They believe in a pre wrath rapture. They are correct that there will be a pre wrath rapture, but it won't be the Church that is raptured, as the Church is already in heaven before the seals are opened.

 

You are wrong here sir, it in NO WAY matches up, tomorrow when I have more time I can maybe go over my Exegesis, I didn't have much time today because I had to travel a good ways to my Radiation Doc. today. So I am up late because I slept a lot today !! There will be no Rapture after the 70th week begins, those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 are the Church Age Saints, the same ones seen in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened.

19 hours ago, The Light said:

So what do 1260, 1290, and 1335 mean, if you could elaborate?

 

This is why I have write a book on Revelation and Daniel, I already have all the bones to make for a great book, I just have to put it together. I just bought a new computer for that purpose.

Everything is DESIGNED around the 1260 Event brother {if you can grasp this key it will unlock everything God has locked up from others via His parables and codes, so don't skip this} God is so brilliant (of course) that he even designed the number of days so that the Two-witnesses "OFFICES" and the Beasts "OFFICES" would both be JUXTAPOSED against these 1260 days !! In other words, their offices are also 1260 days. Everything starts in Daniel 12:6-7 if one can UNLOCK the TIMES, TIMES and HALF [TIMES] riddle, then they can understand everything God is going to do in these end times. God brought me to this conclusion dragging and screaming NO, NO, NO !!  When I saw it....IT STUNNED ME !! Everything I learned was BACKWARDS !! So let's look there first, Daniel 12:

Slow down, THINK this through........

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;(1260 Days) and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So the Angel {seems it was Gabriel} asks Jesus HOW LONG SHALL IT BE UNTIL THESE WONDERS END ? (Remember this question/symmetry) Then Jesus SWEARS that it will be 1260 days, from the time the Jews are Conquered (UNTIL ALL THESE WONDERS END was the question). So from the time the Jews are Conquered until all these wonders Daniel was being shown would END [at the Second Coming of Jesus....though Daniel didn't understand why they would end at the time, BUT.......we know why now].  

So, as I stated, Daniel still did not understand...........the NEXT VERSE TELLS US THIS...........BUT look at his question, its the EXACT SAME Question the Angel asked !!

Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

So, Daniel asks the exact same question, and thus when Jesus answers them we have to understand he is ANSWERING in the exact same SYMMETRY, its all about HOW LONG it will be until THESE WONDERS END (Second Coming of Jesus will be what ends these things Daniel is being shown, OF COURSE). So the 1290 and 1335 have to be 1290 days BEFORE the Second Coming of Jesus ENDS THESE THINGS and 1335 days before the Second Coming of Jesus ENDS THESE THINGS. (When I saw this, I was stunned, but of course, as I am want to do, I had to try it to see if it holds up under scrutiny. DID IT? Oh boy, yes indeed !!

My first thought was, I have to look at these verses to see if this makes any sense, so I did. Let's LOOK AT THOSE VERSES:

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

We have to REMEMBER the "Symmetry" here. These two numbers have to stand for a set number of days until the Second Coming ENDS THESE WONDERS !! Does it hold water? Will this be an end time breakthrough? Let's see.....What is the SACRIFICE being TAKEN AWAY and what is the AoD ?

I didn't get what the Sacrifice being taken away was to way later, but I understood the AoD was the thing Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24:15, so I was now confused, if the 1290 came 30 days BEFORE the Beast Conquered Jerusalem at the 1260, how could there be an AoD at that time, we have always assumed it was the Beast that defiled the Temple etc. etc. This made NO SENSE, or did it? Rev. 13 tells us it is the False Prophet that places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple of God !! And this really made MORE SENSE than the Jews Fleeing Judea AFTER they had been Conquered by the Beast, because its doubtful he would let them flee Judea at that time, but it made perfect sense that God would give the Jews a 30-day head start, A SIGN, to Flee Judea BEFORE the Beast Conquers Jerusalem, that only made sense, and since the False Prophet places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple, the False Prophet must be a Jewish High Priest that falls in line with what he sees as the inevitable conquering of Israel by this E.U. President/Beast. {Like Hitler got major concessions by many before he even Conquered them} Everything made MORE SENSE this way, but if the AoD was him placing the IMAGE in the Temple what was the TAKING AWAY of the Sacrifice at the same time? Did he take away the Meat Sacrifice as we had always assumed? Or was it entirely something else, and what could the 1335 be? I was on a journey to FIND OUT !! Whatever it was had to be 45 days BEFORE the 1290 and 75 days BEFORE the 1260 !! What was THE BLESSING? 

I got to thinking, how would the Jews know to heed Jesus' words and FLEE Judea, this made NO SENSE !! They didn't read the New Testament, so I reasoned they must have read the Gospels BEFORE the 1290 event or they would not have known to FLEE Judea. So Israel had to have REPENTED BEFORE the 1290 event, and thus they could flee Judea before the 1260 event. That is when I remembered Malachi 4:5-6 and Zechariah 13:8-9. 

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Zechariah 12:10 and 13:1 tells us Israel REPENTS.......Zechariah 13:8-9 tells us 1/3 REPENT and 2/3 refuse to do so and thus will perish. Then Zechariah 14:1-2 tells us about Jerusalem getting CONQUERED by the Nations (1260 Event/DOTL) and verses 3-4 tells us that Jesus RESCUES THEM (Jews in Petra) by landing on Mt. Zion and splitting it into !! So the ORDER OF EVENTS all match up to a tee. Israel REPENTS.....then they are Conquered.....then Jesus RESCUES them. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....The Day of the Lord is the 1260 Event !! And we see in Malachi 4:5-6 that Elijah shows up BEFORE the great and dreadful Day of the Lord to turn Israel back unto God. So THE BLESSING of the 1335 is the Two-witnesses SHOWING UP, I mean what better Blessing could Israel have? 

So the Two-witnesses show up 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS !! 

But, but, but....I said to myself, does it match how everything UNFOLDS? Yes, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe and the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial {which is the 3rd Woe} so their 1260 day "OFFICES" can't be parallel !! Eureka !! The Two-witnesses DIE FIRST so they have to SHOW UP FIRST !! That is why God gave them both 1260 day OFFICES where we could Juxtapose them against each other and the 3.5 years (1260 Days) of the Great Tribulation. {which I have done}

NOW IT HIT ME BETWEEN THE EYES.....I was SO STUPID all this time thinking THE SACRIFICE Jesus and Gabriel was referring to was a STUPID, Profane Meat Sacrifice !! NOoooooooooo, it was Jesus that was TAKEN AWAY from the 1/3 Jews who REPENTED on day 1335, which was 45 days BEFORE the 1290, and no doubt these Jews worshiped Jesus in the Temple of God {what a natural thing to do, right ? } for the next 45 or so days, UNTIL this False Prophet/Jewish High Priest let it be known that Jesus Worship in the Temple of God was now FORBIDDEN !! He might have TAKEN IT AWAY from happening in all Jerusalem for all we know. But once he places the AoD in the Temple, the Jews who have REPENTED understand they must Flee Judea for Petra. Either they read Matthew 24:15 or the Two-witnesses INFORMED THEM........or both. But they indeed Flee Judea and go to Petra for 1260 days.

I will finish later, this is a lot of info to digest. If you only could see this it would open up a KEY UNDERSTANDING as pertaining to what the 1260 is. 

God Bless.

Edited March 18, 2020 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

 

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No its not, that is the Church being Raptured in verses 14, or the Bride of Christ. There are no 12 tribes scattered, they are all called Jews today, there were never any lost tribes, that is a MYTH. The 144,000 are the Jews who Flee Judea as Jesus tells them tom do when they See the AoD.

Come on brother, there are Jews all over the place.

Rom 11

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

Once the fulness of the Gentiles comes in via the PRE TRIB RAPTURE of the Church, part of Israel will have their eyes opened. They are the Jews that are around the world, but not those in the nation of Israel. That part of Israel will still be blinded. The 144,000 are the first fruits of the coming harvest.

 

Rom 11

¹¹ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

¹² Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

God is going to keep His promise to Israel. And that means that the Jews around the world will have their eyes and there will be a huge harvest, a fall fruit harvest as the Lord returns to send His angels to gather the elect which is the harvest of Matt 24, Rev 6 and Rev 14.

 

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The Temple has been destroyed, you can play pretend otherwise if you so desire. It avails nothing. It only leads you down a rabbit hole in this instance.

There is still one stone upon another as ALL the stones have not been cast down. Additionally the questions regard the end of the age. I stay out of the rabbit hole.

 

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You are wrong here sir, it in NO WAY Marches up, tomorrow when I have more time I can maybe go over my Exegesis, I didn't have much time today because I had to travel a ways to my Radiation doc. So I am up late because I slept a lot today !! There will be no Rapture after the 70th week begins, those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 are the Church Age Saints, the same ones seen in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened.

Sorry about your health issues brother. There is a rapture after the 70th week. It is a prewrath rapture of the 12 tribes. This happens immediately after the tribulation of those days. The great multitude that you see in Rev 7 is the Church that was raptured pre trib, before the 70th week and the twelve tribes of Israel of which the 144,000 first fruits guarantees a harvest. How much more their fullness will be.

 

 

[WilliamL]

On 3/10/2020 at 2:05 PM, Revelation Man said:

On 3/10/2020 at 9:32 AM, WilliamL said:

Israel ATONES for her sins? Then they don't need Jesus, do they? -- they will atone for themselves.

You make many claims, but simply don't provide the evidence for them.

I post it, you either don't see it or ignore it.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So Elijah comes to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL which starts with the FIRST SEAL at the MIDWAY point of the 70th week. We can see b y reading Zechariah 12:10 that Israel REPENTS/Atones BEFORE Jesus returns to earth {that happens in Zechariah 14:3-4} We see God says in Zechariah 13:1 that he pours his spirit out on Israel, and opens up a Fountain {Jesus' blood} for SINS. And in Zechariah 13:8-9 we see 1/3 of the Jews repents/atones and are tried by the fire and know God as they are known. The 2/3 perish, I WONDER WHY ? Because Zechariah 14:1-2 is the Anti-Christ Conquering the Mediterranean Sea Region and the Jews/Jerusalem. 

So its CLEAR, Israel repents/atones BEFORE the DOTL which starts with the First Seal {Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem}.

Did Jesus have to SHOW UP before you could repent brother ? No, of course not, hes already died for our sins, God gave the Mantle of the Gospel to the Gentiles, when we are Raptured God will take the Scales off of Israel eyes in full. So you think 2/3 are going to PERISH for nothing while Jesus simply SHOWS UP and saves the 1/3 of the Jews I guess. All men have to come to SALVATION by Faith Alone !!

Apparently you don't know the difference between atonement and repentance.

Jesus atones for the sins of those who repent. People cannot atone for themselves.

[The Light]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

Everything is DESIGNED around the 1260 Event brother {if you can grasp this key it will unlock everything God has locked up from others via His parables and codes, so don't skip this} God is so brilliant (of course) that he even designed the number of days so that the Two-witnesses "OFFICES" and the Beasts "OFFICES" would both be JUXTAPOSED against these 1260 days !! In other words their offices are also 1260 days. Everything starts in Daniel 12:7, if one can UNLOCK that TIMES, TIMES and HALF [TIMES] then they can understand everything God is going to do in the end times. God brought me to this conclusion dragging and screaming NO, NO, NO !!  When I saw it....IT STUNNED ME !! Everything I learned was BACKWARDS !! So lets look there first, Daniel 12:

Slow down, THINK this through........

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;(1260 Days) and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So the Angel {seems it was Gabriel} asks Jesus HOW LONG SHALL IT BE UNTIL THESE WONDERS END ? (Remember this question/symmetry) Then Jesus SWEARS that it will be 1260 days, from the time the Jews are Conquered (UNTIL ALL THESE WONDERS END was the question). So from the time the Jews are Conquered until all these wonders Daniel was being shown would END [at the Second Coming of Jesus....though Daniel didn't understand why they would end at the time, BUT we know why now].  

So, like I stated, Daniel still did not understand...the NEXT VERSE TELLS US THIS...BUT look at his question, its the EXACT SAME Question the Angel asked !!

Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

So, Daniel asks the exact same question, and thus when Jesus answers them we have to understand he is ANSWERING in the exact same SYMMETRY, its all about HOW LONG it will be until THESE WONDERS END (Second Coming of Jesus will be what ends these things Daniel is being shown, OF COURSE). So the 1290 and 1335 have to be 1290 days BEFORE the Second Coming of Jesus ENDS THESE THINGS and 1335 days before the Second Coming of Jesus ENDS THESE THINGS. (When I saw this, I was stunned, but of course as I am want to do, I had to try it to see if it held up under scrutiny. DID IT ? Oh boy, yes indeed !!

My first thought was, I have to look at these verses to see if this makes any sense, so I did. LETS LOOK AT THOSE VERSES:

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

We have to REMEMBER the Symmetry. These two numbers have to stand for a set number of days until the Second Coming ENDS THESE WONDERS !! Does it hold water ? Will this be an end time breakthrough ? Lets see.....What is the SACRIFICE being TAKEN AWAY and what is the AoD ?

I didn't get what the Sacrifice being taken away was to way later, but I understood the AoD was the thing Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24:15, so I was now confused, if the 1290 came 30 days BEFORE the Beast Conquered Jerusalem at the 1260, how could there be an AoD at that time, we have always assumed it was the Beast that defiled the Temple etc. etc. This made NO SENSE, or did it ? Rev,. 13 tells us it is the False Prophet that places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple of God !! And this really made MORE SENSE than the Jews Fleeing Judea AFTER that had been Conquered by the Beast, because its doubtful he would let them flee Judea at that time, but it made perfect sense that God would give the Jews a 30 day head start, A SIGN, to Flee Judea BEFORE the Beast COnqueres Jerusalem, that only made sense, and since the False Prophet places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple, the False Prophet must be a Jewish High Priest that falls in line with what he sees as the inevitable conquering of Israel by this E.U. President/Beast. {Like Hitler got major concessions by many before he even Conquered them} Everything made MORE SENSE this way, but if the AoD was him placing the IMAGE in the Temple what was the TAKING AWAY of the Sacrifice at the same time ? Did he take away the Meat Sacrifice as we assumed ? Or was it entirely something else, and what could be the 1335 ? I was on a journey to FIND OUT !! Whatever it was had to be 45 days BEFORE the 1290 and 75 days BEFORE the 1260 !! What was THE BLESSING ? 

I got to thinking, how would the Jews know to heed Jesus a FLEE Judea, this made NO SENSE !! They didn't read the New Testament, so I reasoned they must have read the Gospels BEFORE the 1290 event or they would not have known to FLEE Judea. So Israel had to have REPENTED BEFORE the 1290 event, and thus they could flee Judea before the 1260 event. That is when I remembered Malachi 4:5-6 and Zechariah 13:8-9. 

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Zechariah 12:10 and 13:1 tells us Israel REPENT....Zechariah 13:8-9 tells us 1/2 REPENT and 2/3 refuse to do so and perish. Then Zechariah 14:1-2 tells us about Jerusalem getting CONQUERED by the Nations and verses 3-4 tells us that Jesus RESCUES THEM by landing on Mt. Zion and splitting it into !! So the EVENTS ORDER all match up to a tee. Israel REPENTS.....then they are Conquered.....then Jesus RESCUES them. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....The Day of the Lord id the 1260 Event !! And we see in Malachi 4:5-6 that Elijah shows up BEFORE the great and dreadful Day of the Lord to turn Israel back unto God. So THE BLESSING of the 1335 is the Two-witnesses SHOWING UP, I mean what better Blessing could Israel have ? 

So the Two-witnesses show up 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS !! 

But, but, but....I said, doesn't it match how everything UNFOLDS ? Yes, the Two=-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe and the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial {which is the 3rd Woe} so their 1260 day "OFFICES" can't be parallel !! Eureka !! The Two-witnesses DIE FIRST so they have to SHOW UP FIRST !! That is why God gave them both 1260 day OFFICES where we could Juxtapose them against each other and the 3.5 years of the Great Tribulation. {which I have done}

NOW IT HIT ME BETWEEN THE EYES.....I was SO STUPID all this time thinking THE SACRIFICE Jesus and Gabriel was referring yo was a STUPID, Profane Meat Sacrifice !! NOoooooooooo, it was Jesus that was TAKEN AWAY from the 1/3 Jews who REPENTED on day 1335, which was 45 days BEFORE the 1290, and no doubt these Jews worshiped Jesus in the Temple of God {what a natural thing to do right ? } for the next 45 or so days, UNTIL this False Prophet Jewish High Priest let it be known that Jesus Worship in the Temple of God was now FORBIDDEN !! He might have TAKEN IT AWAY from happening in all Jerusalem for all we know. But once he places the AoD in the Temple, the Jews who have REPENTED understand they must Flee Judea for Petra. Either they read Matthew 24:15 or the Two-witnesses INFORMED THEM........or both. 

I will finish up later.....this is a lot of info to digest. If you only could see this it would open up a KEY UNDERSTANDING as pertaining to what the 1260 is. 

God Bless.

The reason you see the AOD in Matt 24 is because that is the tribulation period. We know this because it says immediately after the tribulation.

There are 2520 days in the 70th week. Jesus returns for the gathering from heaven and earth at the end of the week. (not the second coming to set up His kingdom) The abomination of desolation is set up 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away. So we know that the great tribulation is 45 days long (1335-1290). We know that the daily sacrifice is taken away on day 1185 (2520 days - 45 day - 1290 days) or (2520 - 1335).

The 1260 days have nothing to do with the 1290 days and the 1335 days other than, the 1260 days start after the 1335 days which is day 2520.

All of which tells us that Jesus will come for his Church Pretrib. The GOODMAN will not know when He is coming. Then after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, part of Israel (the scattered 12 tribes) will have their blindness removed. The day of the Lord won't take them unaware. They will know when He is coming. The 70th week is the 1st 6 seals which is 2520 days long. On day 1185 the daily sacrifice is taken away. 1290 days later the abomination of desolation is set up. Then the great tribulation is 45 days long. Jesus returns for the gathering on day 2520, the end of the week. Then the wrath of God begins. There are 1260 days and then Christ returns to set up his kingdom.