Gal 3:10-12 Are You Relying on the Law?

[steve morrow]

EXCUSES  EXCUSES  EXCUSES  ---  OK  THEN  UNDER  GRACE

 

COLOSSIANS 1:5  FOR  THE  HOPE  WHICH  IS  LAID  UP  FOR  YOU  IN  HEAVEN  WHEREOF  YOU  HEARD  BEFORE  IN  THE  WORD  OF  THE  TRUTH  OF  THE  GOSPEL ---1:6--- WHICH  IS  COME  UNTO  YOU  AS  IT  IS  IN  ALL  THE  WORLD  -----AND  BRINGETH  FORTH  FRUIT----- AS  IT  DOES  ALSO  IN  YOU  SINCE  THE  DAY  YOU  HEARD  OF  IT  AND  KNEW  THE  GRACE  OF  GOD  IN  TRUTH

JOHN 1:17  for the law was given by moses --but grace and truth-- came by JESUS  CHRIST

GALATIANS 5:4  CHRIST  is become of no effect unto you whosoever of you are justified by the law ---YOU  ARE  FALLEN  FROM  GRACE---

 

GALATIANS 5:7  you did run well who did hinder you that ---YOU  SHOULD  NOT  OBEY  THE  TRUTH---

*******5:8---THIS  PERSUASION  COMETH  NOT  OF  HIM  THAT  CALLETH  YOU*******

 

ROMANS 5:21  that as sin hath reigned unto death even so---MIGHT  GRACE  REIGN  THROUGH  RIGHTEOUSNESS--- unto eternal life ---BY  JESUS  CHRIST  OUR  LORD---

2 THESSALONIANS 2:10  and with all deceiveableness of unrighteousness ---IN  THEM  THAT  PERISH--- because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved 

 

PSALM 119:172  MY  TONGUE  SHALL  SPEAK  OF  THY  WORD  FOR  ALL  THY  COMMANDMENTS  ARE  RIGHTEOUSNESS

PSALM 119:142  THY  RIGHTEOUSNESS  IS  AN  EVERLASTING  RIGHTEOUSNESS  AND ----- THY  LAW  IS  THE  TRUTH-----

 

PROVERBS 12:17  HE  THAT  SPEAKETH  TRUTH  SHOWETH  FORTH  RIGHTEOUSNESS  ---BUT  A  FALSE  WITNESS  DECEIT---

 

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MATTHEW 12:35  a good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things 

HEBREWS 8:10  FOR  THIS  IS  THE  COVENANT  THAT  I  WILL  MAKE  WITH  THE  HOUSE  OF  ISRAEL  AFTER  THOSE  DAYS  SAITH  THE  LORD  ---I  WILL  PUT  MY  LAWS  INTO  THEIR  MIND  ---AND  WRITE  THEM  IN  THEIR  HEARTS--- AND  I  WILL  BE  TO  THEM  A  GOD  AND  THEY  SHALL  BE  UNTO  ME  A  PEOPLE 

1 CORINTHIANS 2:16  FOR  WHO  HATH  KNOWN  THE  MIND  OF  THE  LORD  ---THAT  HE  MAY  INSTRUCT  HIM--- BUT  WE  HAVE  THE  MIND  OF  CHRIST ---

LUKE 8:15  but that on ---THE  GOD  GROUND---are they which in an honest---AND  GOOD  HEART--- having heard the word keep it and ---BRING  FORTH  FRUIT  WITH  PATIENCE---

HEBREWS 10:16  THIS  IS  THE  COVENANT  THAT  I  WILL  MAKE  WITH  THEM  AFTER  THOSE  DAYS  SAITH  THE  LORD  I  WILL  PUT  MY  LAWS  INTO  THEIR  HEARTS  AND  IN  THEIR  MINDS  WILL  I  WRITE  THEM

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PSALM 68:19  blessed be  THE  LORD  who daily loadeth us with benefits even ---THE  GOD  OF  OUR  SALVATION--- SELAH

ISAIAH 1:20  BUT  IF  YOU  REFUSE  AND  REBEL  YOU SHALL BE  DEVOURED  WITH  THE  SWORD  ---FOR  THE  MOUTH  OF  THE  LORD  HATH  SPOKEN  IT---

*******MALACHI 2:7  FOR  THE  PRIESTS  LIPS  SHOULD  KEEP  KNOWLEDGE  AND  THEY  SHOULD  SEEK  THE  LAW  AT  HIS  MOUTH  FOR  HE  IS  THE  MESSENGER  OF  THE  LORD  OF  HOSTS*******

 

DO  YOU  HAVE  GODS  LAWS  WRITTEN  ON  YOUR  HEARTS  THAT  YOU  MAY  BE  HIS  PEOPLE --- WHAT  PROCEEDS  FORTH  FROM  YOUR  HEARTS ---

 

HEBREWS 12:14  FOLLOW  PEACE  WITH  ALL  MEN  AND  HOLINESS  WITHOUT  WHICH  NO  MAN  SHALL  SEE  THE  LORD ---12:15--- LOOKING  DILIGENTLY  LEST  ANY  MAN  FAIL  OF  THE  GRACE  OF  GOD  LEST  ANY  ROOT  OF  BITTERNESS  SPRINGING  UP  TROUBLE  YOU  AND  THEREBY  MANY ---BE  DEFILED---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

12 hours ago, Betha said:

Are you saying the 10 Coms are a curse we need to be redeemed from ? 

“ Those under the Law are under the Curse Of The Law.” Trust me.Its in There .

[Blood Bought 1953]

2 hours ago, Betha said:

So when we have ALL of our sins forgiven and paid for by Jesus' death  and never be charged with sin again .......does it matter whether or not we continue to sin  (since they are already paid for and forgiven ?  Where is the incentive to 'STOP sinning ? Rom 6. ???

IF people are to observe the Commandments because they are now saved (and born again)  why is there NO EVIDENCE of them doeing so ?  They should no longer be transgressing God's law/Com 1Joh 3v4. and have ceased to sin Rom 6.

 

The “ incentive to stop sinning” is Love for God. That Love is a By -Product Of RESTING in the Gospel Of Grace.There is no other way.Are you “trying” to get to Heaven by what “ you” Do, or are you “ trusting” to get to Heaven by what Jesus did. Your answer to that question determines where you will spend Eternity.... 

 

[Debp]

2 hours ago, Betha said:

..does it matter whether or not we continue to sin  (since they are already paid for and forgiven ?  Where is the incentive to 'STOP sinning ? Rom 6. ???

Do you mean you only walk with the Lord because you are under the fear of losing your salvation?

[kwikphilly]

13 hours ago, Betha said:

20 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

There shouldn't be any confusion

"Need to".?....not for justification /Salvation  

This is Understood as the confidence we have before God through our Lord & Savior and if we are truly Born Again then we LOVE GOD IN CHRIST and cannot help but follow what Jesus Says SUMS UP ALL the Law

And that is LOVE.....how does one murder,steal,lie,covet etc... etc when you LOVE your neighbor?

THe 10 Commandments are as much the LAW as is the other 613 Commandments,what makes these any different?

Pastor Morris describes the 10 as Principles,which may be a better way to look at them

These principles seem highly attainable for anyone who bears the Fruits of Holy Spirit

                                                                                                                 With love-in Christ,Kwik

Whilst they are super Principles do they actually stand for all the Commandments ? where does the 4th Com fit in ?

Blessings Betha

  As I said above,Pastor Robert Morris describes these 10 as "Principles"-I think it is pretty obvious that he refers to Keeping the Sabbath as the Principle of "Rest" because we enter into Gods Rest in Christ our Lord & Savior Who IS the Sabbath....but is it safe to assume you are a Sabbath Keeper because every one of your posts do seem to lead back to the 4th Commandment ?

   Dear Betha,it begs the question"Why only 10 Commandments of Gods Law Given by Moses"?If you are going to carry the weight of the Law on your shoulders then why do you not know that bound by the Law you must obey all of them & not the ones you choose to uphold?

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If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

(Phil Drysdale references)

 

And of course James 2:10.....keep ALL the Law ,if you fail to break one you have disobeyed ALL(paraphrase)

  Betha dear Betha,please tell me,do you go to the Torah & follow all Gods Commandments/Levitical Law-what about sacrifice,high priests.....I believe there is no sitting on the fence,you are either under Gods Grace or under the Law) the Covenant of Grace is COMPLETE .....we don't take a little of the Old & mix it in with the New...Jesus Did it ALL for us and HE was thePerfect Sacrifice & our High Priest

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Matthew 5:17 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁷ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

And not only has He fulfilled the Law but the Prophets as well

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¹⁰ For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

¹¹ So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.      Isaiah 55:10-11

          With love-in Christ,Kwik

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Mark 2:27

  Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Matthew 12:8

"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Mark 2:28

  "So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Luke 6:5

  And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Enter into Gods Rest

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Betha

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He personally spoke the 10 to the people but added no more Deut 5v22. 

Where are you getting this,can you post the Scripture where Jesus Personally did away with the whole law & reduced it to 10 Commandments because in Duet 5:22 it SAys the10 Written in stone& nothing was added,it does not say the whole Law was done away with,This is precisely what I am talking about when I say you cannot pick a little of this & a little of that(a little OLd Covenant mixed in with New Covenant) or take verses of Scripture out of context to fit in with your own beliefs

   Yes,these commandments are Holy& Eternal  and by walking in Spirit& in Truth we Receive the Heart& Mind of Christ which enables us by the Power of Holy Spirit to display our Faith by our deeds/actions/works.....& not the other way around.In other words if we are not living in a way that is pleasing & acceptable to God then it is highly likely we are not Born Again

   The point of this conversation,is what it has been in every thread Ive seen you post in,correct me if I am wrong-please    "Sabbath Keeping" It seems that you are under the impression that if you do not go to church on Sunday (or Saturday,which day is Sabbath to you>)that you are breaking Gods Law....so lets not get sidetracked & lets address this ,okay?Now if Im wrong then fine ,we will carry on about the 10 vs the Law & so on.But if I am on the right page with you then what exactly are you trying to get across? I'm being sincere Betha,I don't like beating around the bush & would like to resolve the issue you are having,okay?

  

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Too many people are putting no difference between what is holy or not holy Lev 10v10 and are having serious problems with LAW  and are unable to DISCERN and  keep what is GOOD. 

I don't see where anyone here does not understand that Gods Law is Holy nor do I see how they are not keeping what is GOOD.God is Holy,God is Good,His 10 Commandments are Holy,it is Good but still,they are not mandates ,requirements for sanctification nor are they obligatory...we do them because we LOVE God

   Also it is extremely inportant to Understand that by walking into a bldg on Sat or Sunday is not "Keeping the Sabbath"...We enter Gods Rest walking in Spirit& in Truth,which should be 7 days a week,24 hrsaday & 365 days a year....Jesus Abides in us,He is our  Sabbath Rest......                       With love-in Christ,Kwik

[steve morrow]

I  WILL  TRUST  IN  GOD 

PSALM 18:1  I  WILL  LOVE  THEE  O LORD  MY  STRENGTH ---18:2--- THE  LORD  IS  MY  ROCK  AND  MY  FORTRESS  AND  MY  DELIVERER  MY  GOD  MY  STRENGTH  ---IN  WHOM  I  WILL  TRUST---  MY  BUCKLER  AND  THE  HORN  OF  MY  SALVATION  AND  MY  HIGH  TOWER  

PSALM 119:139  MY  ZEAL  HATH  CONSUMED  ME  BECAUSE  MINE  ENEMIES --- HAVE  FORGOTTEN  THY  WORDS ---

 

2 TIMOTHY 3:16  ---ALL  SCRIPTURE--- IS  GIVEN  BY  INSPIRATION  OF  GOD  AND  IS  PROFITABLE  --FOR  DOCTRINE--FOR  REPROOF--FOR  CORRECTION--FOR  INSTRUCTION  IN  RIGHTEOUSNESS

 

PROVERBS 10:2  TREASURES  OF  WICKEDNESS  PROFIT  NOTHING  BUT  RIGHTEOUSNESS  DELIVERETH  FROM  DEATH

PROVERBS 8:8  ALL  THE  WORDS  OF  MY  MOUTH  ARE  IN  RIGHTEOUSNESS  THERE  IS  NOTHING  FROWARD  OR  PERVERSE  IN  THEM

PROVERBS 16:31  THE  HOARY/GRAY  HEAD  IS  A  CROWN  OF  GLORY  IF  IT  BE  FOUND  IN  THE  WAY  OF  RIGHTEOUSNESS 

 

LUKE 4:4   AND  JESUS  ANSWERED  HIM  SAYING  IT  IS  WRITTEN  THAT  MAN  SHALL  NOT  LIVE  BY  BREAD  ALONE  BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD  OF  GOD

 

ACTS 27:25  WHEREFORE  SIRS  BE  OF  GOOD  CHEER  ---FOR  I  BELIEVE  GOD---  THAT  IT  SHALL  BE  EVEN  AS  IT  WAS  TOLD  ME

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  

[Behold]

10 hours ago, Betha said:

So when we have ALL of our sins forgiven and paid for by Jesus' death  and never be charged with sin again .......does it matter whether or not we continue to sin  (since they are already paid for and forgiven ?  Where is the incentive to 'STOP sinning ? Rom 6. ???

IF people are to observe the Commandments because they are now saved (and born again)  why is there NO EVIDENCE of them doeing so ?  They should no longer be transgressing God's law/Com 1Joh 3v4. and have ceased to sin Rom 6.

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When you are under the law and without Christ, you have no power to keep the commandments.  And you have no desire to care if you don't.    You live in sin, you love it, and that is your status..  =  SINNER

When the Holy Spirit finds your heart, and the Gospel is being revealed to you, and you believe on the Lord Jesus The Christ, God then takes this Faith of yours,  and gives you His Righteousness.

This is the.......NEW BIRTH.

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Notice that when you were sinning, you were not righteous.  Notice that if you try to stop, you can't, and even if you try to stop, you are still not righteous.

So, the reason for the Cross, is not to teach you how to worry about the commandments,.. Its to offer you THE WAY to be accepted by God as HIS OWN, ......and you can't do it for yourself.

If you are born again, you didn't do this for yourself....God did this for you as "the gift of Righteousness"...., and he didnt use or need Moses, or the Commandments to save you, redeem you, or keep you saved.

HE USED THE BLOOD OF JESUS, THE BLOOD ATONEMENT.......Only.

So, when a believer is worrying about commandments, trying to keep themselves right with God, they are NOT obeying the Gospel, and they are not understanding The finished work of Jesus as God on the  Cross.

Listen, salvation, redemption, is what God did for you, THRU CHRIST. ..FOR FREE........   You can't do this for yourself with commandment keeping or lifestyle.

However, afterwards, now that you are born again, you are a DISCIPLE of Christ And of God.   You are a Heir of God and a Joint Heir, with Christ.

That is WHO YOU ARE, and commandments didnt put you there, as only the Blood of Jesus has the power to REDEEM YOU back to GOD.......and nothing else will do it, and God will accept nothing ELSE.

So, after you are saved, you are to live the Holy life, and NOW that you are born again, you have the Grace of God, which is the power of the Holy Spirit, in you, to give you the ability to live Holy.

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What the devil does, is he comes and tries to drag a born again christian back under the Law, so that this person stops trusting in Christ to keep them saved, and they start trying to keep themselves saved.    Paul calls this "falling from Grace" and getting "into the FLESH".

"being in the Flesh", as found in a NT verse, means that a deceived Christian is trying to keep themselves saved = by SELF EFFORT, by commandment keeping, .....by PERFORMANCE.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Behold

[steve morrow]

WHERE  DID  JESUS  CHRIST  ASK  FOR  MANS  OPINION  OR  EXPLANATION  OF  SALVATION --- NOWHERE --- HOWEVER  WHAT  DID  HE  SAY

 

ACTS 20:29  FOR  I  KNOW  THIS  THAT  AFTER  MY  DEPARTING  SHALL  GRIEVOUS  WOLVES  ENTER  IN  AMONG  YOU  NOT  SPARING  THE  FLOCK 

---20:30--- ALSO  OF  YOUR  OWN  SELVES  SHALL  MEN  ARISE  ---SPEAKING  PERVERSE  THINGS---  TO  DRAW  AWAY  DISCIPLES  AFTER  THEM

MATTHEW 24:11  AND --MANY--FALSE  PROPHETS  SHALL  RISE  AND  SHALL  DECEIVE  MANY 

 

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JEREMIAH 23:22  BUT  IF  THEY  HAD  STOOD  IN  --MY  COUNSEL--  AND  HAD  CAUSED  MY  PEOPLE  TO  HEAR  --MY  WORDS--  THEN  THEY  SHOULD  HAVE  TURNED  THEM  FROM  THEIR  EVIL  WAY  AND  FROM  THE  EVIL  OF  THEIR  DOINGS 

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JUDE 1:5  I will therefore put you in remembrance though you once knew this how that THE  LORD having --SAVED  THE  PEOPLE-- out of the land of Egypt afterward---DESTROYED  THEM  THAT  BELIEVED  NOT---

 

1 CORINTHIANS 10:8  neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed and fell in one day---TWENTY  THREE  AND  TWENTY  THOUSAND---

---10:9--- NEITHER  LET  US  TEMPT  CHRIST  AS  SOME  OF  THEM  ALSO  TEMPTED  AND  WERE  DESTROYED  OF  SERPENTS  --10:11-- NOW  ALL  THESE  THINGS  HAPPENED  UNTO  THEM  AS  ENSAMPLES  AND ---THEY  ARE  WRITTEN  FOR  OUR  ADMONITION  UPON  WHOM  THE  ENDS  OF  THE  WORLD  ARE  COME 

--10:12-- WHEREFORE  LET --HIM  THAT  THINKETH--  HE  STANDETH  TAKE  HEED  LEST  HE  FALL --

HEBREWS 2:1  therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard lest at any time ---WE  SHOULD  LET  THEM SLIP---

 

ACTS 3:22  FOR  MOSES  TRULY  SAID  UNTO  THE  FATHERS  A  PROPHET  SHALL  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  RAISE  UP  UNTO  YOU  OF  YOUR  BRETHREN  LIKE  UNTO  ME  HIM  SHALL  YOU  HEAR  ---IN  ALL  THINGS  WHATSOEVER  HE  SHALL  SAY  UNTO YOU  

--3:23-- AND  IT  SHALL  COME  TO  PASS  THAT  EVERY  SOUL  WHICH  WILL  NOT  HEAR  THAT  PROPHET  ---SHALL  BE  DESTROYED  FROM  AMONG  THE  PEOPLE---

 

COLOSSIANS 1:21 and you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works yet now hath  HE  reconciled --1:22--in the body of  HIS  flesh ---THROUGH  DEATH---to present you holy and unblameable in  HIS  sight---

---1:23---IF  YOU  CONTINUE--- IN  THE  FAITH  GROUNDED  AND  SETTLED  AND  BE  NOT  MOVED  AWAY  FROM  THE  HOPE  OF  THE  GOSPEL  WHICH  YOU  HAVE  HEARD  AND  WHICH  WAS  PREACHED  TO EVERY  CREATURE  WHICH  IS  UNDER  HEAVEN  WHEREOF  I  PAUL  AM  MADE  A  MINISTER 

 

COLOSSIANS 2:8  BEWARE  LEST  ---ANY  MAN  SPOIL  YOU  THROUGH  PHILOSOPHY  AND  VAIN  DECEIT--- AFTER  THE  TRADITION  OF  MEN  AFTER  THE  RUDIMENTS  OF  THE  WORLD  AND  NOT  AFTER  CHRIST

 

COLOSSIANS 3:1  if  then you be risen with  CHRIST  seek those things which are above where  CHRIST  sitteth on the right hand of  GOD  --1:2-- set your affection on things above not on things on the earth  --1:3-- for you are dead and your ---LIFE  IS  HID  WITH  CHRIST  IN  GOD---

 

JAMES 3:17  BUT  THE  WISDOM  THAT  IS  FROM  ABOVE  IS  FIRST  PURE  THEN  PEACEABLE  GENTLE  AND  EASY  TO  BE  ENTREATED  FULL  OF  MERCY  ---AND  GOOD  FRUITS--- WITHOUT  PARTIALITY --- AND  WITHOUT  HYPOCRISY

 

PSALM 144:3  LORD  WHAT  IS  MAN  THAT  THOU  TAKEST  KNOWLEDGE  OF  HIM  OR  THE  SON  OF  MAN  THAT  THOU  MAKEST  ACCOUNT  OF  HIM 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  AND  --HIS  BRETHREN--