Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[Blood Bought 1953]

47 minutes ago, Betha said:

I don't think people have to be 'named'. It is the general ATTITUDE of some Christians to DIS-associate themselves from Jews or any who show other practices than themselves. I have often been called a JUDAIZER .

 

If one says, “Jesus Saves......BUT you must keep the Sabbath....” they will rightly be called a “ JUDAIZER”

If the shoe fits.........

[JTC]

15 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

This is something I am constantly seeing taught and regurgitated by Christians today and I am frequently seeing this matter brought up here in these forums that: Jesus teachings dont apply to Gentiles only Jews and that we only follow Paul's teachings.  I have seen people abandoning the teachings of Jesus (Gospels) and other letters of the bible such as James, John, Hebrews, and Peters and saying they were only writing to Jews and their teaching dont apply to Gentiles.

Are you referring to the people who think we don't have to obey God, all we need do is acknowledge Him?  It seems absurd to call yourself a Christian but then think the words of Jesus Christ don't apply to you. However, I know there are many absurd things said on this board.

[*Zion*]

This grieves me thoroughly.  Christ wants us to live, know and experience His fullness.  The enemy does not, and so he spreads his lies. 

There is a warning at the end of the book of Revelation that states woe to any who would add or remove anything from that book.  Jesus Himself tells us that though all else will pass away, not one jot or tittle (in my mind's eye, a dot on an 'i' or cross on a 't') of His Word will pass away.  If we have the audacity to mess around with God's Word we should know that: 

John 1  

1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (^[a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and ^[b]the Word was God Himself. ² He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God. ³ All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being. ⁴ In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men. ⁵ The Light shines on in the ^[c]darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it].

It is we who do not understand how to rightly divide the Word of Life - Who IS God Himself, the All Consuming Fire.

The Word became flesh so that NONE should perish but ALL have eternal life.  If, as a gentile, I have to now pick and choose what applies to me, I have made a mockery of the whole act of sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Anointed One SENT for this reason to die a guilty man's death upon a cursed tree that I would be reconciled back to the Father through Him.  I accept Him wholly, not by halves or half-heartedly.  I take Him fully seriously, as He makes no mistakes, and is not reckless or unreliable.  As has already been stated, ALL scripture is profitable for the believer (as there is now neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, man nor woman but all are one in Christ ANYWAY).  That includes the Old Testament, which He came to fulfil by bringing the New Testament. 

Christ's Words are not the esoteric privilege of the Jews.  We are all in Him together.  Some may not like that, and feel the need to have some kind of superiority or pecking order to laud over others (which I sincerely hope is not the case).  In this way, God also exposes the lie that is racism - all colours and hues thereof - sexism, social status, and all other manners of things one group of human beings would use to exert control over another group.  Our finest fleshly efforts are as filthy rags before him, I'm afraid.  

Rather gloriously, His Word refutes these lies further by demonstration, in that He uses the weak things of this world to confound the strong, and the foolish things to confound the wise.  Considering this, I have absolutely no problem in admitting just how weak and foolish I am.  I need ALL of God's Word to help me, shape me, grow me, not just little bits and pieces here and there.

If I can take life and health and growth from the example of Abraham as well as the example of Paul, then others will just have to bear with me  

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by *Zion*
Grammar errors

[JTC]

2 hours ago, Flowersun said:

Of course we have to be obedient to the Lord....but we don't always know that we are being disobedient,do we?

that has been the case for me...but when he does show me,then I buck up my ideas..because he does discipline his children...well,he certainly has me.....I don't want anymore of that...LOL....

Yes, one would think that obeying God is evident to anyone claiming to be a Christian but apparently it's not. I don't mean what you said FlowerSun, as you grow in the Lord you learn more and more what He wants from us. My experience has been like yours, when I'm disobedient God disciplines me rather quickly. But not everyone goes through this. I've come to realize that if God is disciplining us that it's a sure sign we are saved. 

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, Flowersun said:

I'm talking about when he leads me personally....and please don't tell me he doesn't,because he does...in fact,he is leading me at the moment and i can assure you I'm listening to him.

If it is not Scripture that leads you but 'YOU' through internal means -whatever you want to call it emotion, feelings, intuition... (we) are all wary of you!

2 hours ago, Flowersun said:

Why the question mark,sonshine?..I'm a little wary of you,because you told me on here,that I wasn't saved..that I was feeling emotion...so hence the post.

Anyone who is lead by any other means than Scripture is a question mark for us who only know Him through His Word... we do not look to that which passes away for eternal truth!

[*Zion*]

14 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

If it is not Scripture that leads you but 'YOU' through internal means -whatever you want to call it emotion, feelings, intuition... (we) are all wary of you!

Anyone who is lead by any other means than Scripture is a question mark for us who only know Him through His Word... we do not look to that which passes away for eternal truth!

Amen.  We are led by God's Spirit through His Word, not through our emotions.  Now, of course, are emotions will be affected, because God impacts us so mightily.  In Him we live and move and have our being.  But I will not take someone's say so for anything as concrete truth.  We can all theorize until the cows come home but unless it lines right up with scripture no one has to accept it.  That goes for every single human being, even those in power.  God save the Queen but I doubt that she is infallible.  I respect her highly, of course but you'd have to be pretty naive to think it.

Truth.

[*Zion*]

Not at all. 

If by God's Word you are led, then what can anyone have against you? 

I was just stating my agreement with Enoob, that there's a difference between led by emotions and our emotions being impacted by God's leading through His Word.  If he (Enoob) were to come at me with a bunch of emotions to compel me, without God's Word to back it up I'd tell him the same thing (I'd be surprised that I'd need to tell him, and verily disappointed too).  Same goes for me.  You see me getting me whipped up by emotions you had better tell me to slow my roll

[enoob57]

4 minutes ago, Flowersun said:

The Holy Spirit leads me...no matter what you say....

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit.John14:15

 

if you love me,you will obey what I command,And I will ask the Father,and he will give you another counsellor to be with you for ever- the Spirit of truth.

The world cannot accept,because it neither sees him or hears him nor knows him.

But you know him,for he lives with you and will be in you.

I will not leave you as orphans .I will come to you.

I have a very personal intimate relationship with God...right from when he testifiedto my spirit,that he was God.....now if you can't accept that..I have no problem with it.

God The Holy Spirit leads us through Scripture period... and there are myriads of text showing that very thing... You cannot produce Scripture to support your claim nor should you be inclined to do so because you are the authority, you are the source, you are and that is all that matters to you because you are according to you.... 

 

11 minutes ago, Flowersun said:

Also i talking to Sonshine...so not sure why you involved your self in our posts....unless to stir the pot.

Because you are promoting a gnostic spirit to my family here...

[enoob57]

5 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

Not at all. 

If by God's Word you are led, then what can anyone have against you? 

I was just stating my agreement with Enoob, that there's a difference between led by emotions and our emotions being impacted by God's leading through His Word.  If he (Enoob) were to come at me with a bunch of emotions to compel me, without God's Word to back it up I'd tell him the same thing (I'd be surprised that I'd need to tell him, and verily disappointed too).  Same goes for me.  You see me getting me whipped up by emotions you had better tell me to slow my roll

She has openly claimed that she was drawn to The Lord by spirit not the Word...

[*Zion*]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

She has openly claimed that she was drawn to The Lord by spirit not the Word...

Ah.  Right.  Gotcha.