“I will spit you out” ....

[BeauJangles]

On 5/1/2020 at 1:24 PM, OneLight said:

To me, a lukewarm Christian is someone who does believe in Jesus, but refuses to walk in His ways He sets forth for them to walk in.  More like fence sitters, knowing scripture is true, yet is unwilling to repent and give up their pet sins.

Lukewarm to me is a hard call to make. Revelation does not specifically state what "sins" were indicative of the Laodicean church. Obviously they displeased the Lord tremendously. To be considered spewable is a pretty harsh measure. I've always understood they were the church of apostasy. Could be wrong on that too. Apostasy means they indicated a kind of heresy about their establishment. We have them today. 

Heresy seems as though never saved but faking they were, or claiming such. Like the Jehovah's Witnesses who never claimed to be Christians, but now do when they ring your doorbell. Why? To make sure you accept a copy of their Awake or Watchtower publications, only to get inside your home to indoctrinate you with their heresy. They don't believe Jesus is God. We had one come here recently in wolves clothing.

He was exposed and excused from the forum. Or left voluntarily. I could care less. He split, he's gone now. Thank God. The dude was also a troll! More will come, they always do. Anyway, if this is yet another OSAS vs. OSNAS thread, I'll see y'all later. Not interested. Thanks anyway. It's really boring. Stop arguing about it guys, it's becoming a bad witness to our guests. Just saying. Okay, continue on pointlessly.  

By the way, I'm not addressing the quoter. No. Please don't think that was my intent. Since this was pointed out, I personally needed clarifications on lukewarmness. So just sinful. Now I fully understand it. Thanks.  

 

Laodicea on the Lycus

Laodicea on the Lycus was an ancient city built on the river Lycus. It was located in the Hellenistic regions of Caria and Lydia, which later became the Roman Province of Phrygia Pacatiana. It is now situated near the modern city of Denizli, Turkey. 

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a on the Lycus

Laodicea on the Lycus was an ancient city built on the river Lycus. It was located in the Hellenistic regions of Caria and Lydia, which later became the Roman Province of Phrygia Pacatiana. It is now situated near the modern city of Denizli, Turkey. In 2013 the archaeological site was inscribed in th…

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— The Lukewarm Church (Revelation 3:14-22) Some of the Lord’s harshest words recorded in the Bible were directed at the church in Laodicea. He said the church made Him ill (Revelation 3:16). Lacking in every way, it was compromising, conceited, and Christless. 

[OneLight]

5 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Lukewarm to me is a hard call to make. Revelation does not specifically state what "sins" were indicative of the Laodicean church. Obviously they displeased the Lord tremendously. To be considered spewable is a pretty harsh measure. I've always understood they were the church of apostasy. Could be wrong on that too. Apostasy means they indicated a kind of heresy about their establishment. We have them today. 

Heresy seems as though never saved but faking they were, or claiming such. Like the Jehovah's Witnesses who never claimed to be Christians, but now do when they ring your doorbell. Why? To make sure you accept a copy of their Awake or Watchtower publications, only to get inside your home to indoctrinate you with their heresy. They don't believe Jesus is God. We had one come here recently in wolves clothing.

He was exposed and excused from the forum. Or left voluntarily. I could care less. He split, he's gone now. Thank God. The dude was also a troll! More will come, they always do. Anyway, if this is yet another OSAS vs. OSNAS thread, I'll see y'all later. Not interested. Thanks anyway. It's really boring. Stop arguing about it guys, it's becoming a bad witness to our guests. Just saying. Okay, continue on pointlessly.  

By the way, I'm not addressing the quoter. No. Please don't think that was my intent. Since this was pointed out, I personally needed clarifications on lukewarmness. So just sinful. Now I fully understand it. Thanks.  

 

Laodicea on the Lycus

Laodicea on the Lycus was an ancient city built on the river Lycus. It was located in the Hellenistic regions of Caria and Lydia, which later became the Roman Province of Phrygia Pacatiana. It is now situated near the modern city of Denizli, Turkey. 

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a on the Lycus

Laodicea on the Lycus was an ancient city built on the river Lycus. It was located in the Hellenistic regions of Caria and Lydia, which later became the Roman Province of Phrygia Pacatiana. It is now situated near the modern city of Denizli, Turkey. In 2013 the archaeological site was inscribed in th…

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— The Lukewarm Church (Revelation 3:14-22) Some of the Lord’s harshest words recorded in the Bible were directed at the church in Laodicea. He said the church made Him ill (Revelation 3:16). Lacking in every way, it was compromising, conceited, and Christless. 

Reading about the church of Laodicea in Revelation 3:14-22, Jesus is addressing them as part of His Body, not heretics.  As for what they are being accused of, we read:

Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

Seems to me that pride and arrogance on their part has blinded them, thinking they have everything they need while God sees them as "wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked".  Sure is applicable today.

[BeauJangles]

40 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Reading about the church of Laodicea in Revelation 3:14-22, Jesus is addressing them as part of His Body, not heretics.  As for what they are being accused of, we read:

Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

Seems to me that pride and arrogance on their part has blinded them, thinking they have everything they need while God sees them as "wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked".  Sure is applicable today.

Thanks for the clarifications, brother. So, then who was the apostate church if it wasn't Laodicea? An apostate church is identified as such, but that does not indicate church body representation, from my understanding. Can you help me out with that? Thanks again. 

[Behold]

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

I already knew what repentance means, which is why I ask you the question.  When one repents, the are making a willing and meaningful decision on their part.  When Jesus tells someone to repent He is telling them to take action, to do something, to change.  Jesus is not doing it for them, though He has given them a way if they decide to accept it. 

To Repent, with the context being THE CROSS, simply means to BELIEVE The Gospel and be born again..

Turn from Unbelief to FAITH, is to "repent".

You are repenting of  the SIN of Unbelief...

You are turning from THAT Sin.......by TRUSTING In Christ.

See, there is no other sin you can turn from that matters, as its only the sin of unbelief that DAMNS YOU.   John 3:36

So, you repent of THAT.....of That sin., and you don't go to Hell.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Behold

[Not me]

4 hours ago, Don19 said:

This is the Law, though: the covenant of works, not the covenant of grace. Israel after the flesh didn't choose life, and God sent judgment upon them in 70 AD. They received all the curses of the Law, as anyone under the Law must keep the entire thing (Gal 3:10, Jas 2:10). The New Covenant is promissory, not of works; as Paul says in Galatians, if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Sinful flesh is not able to choose life - what's born of flesh is flesh, and what's born of Spirit is spirit. A corrupt tree cannot bear good fruit. It was the serpent who told Eve that ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Israel after the flesh is a demonstration of that; hence, there is now a new and better Covenant which is unconditional.

Neither is man able to choose Christ; as Jesus said, "[...] whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:33). And He said, "no man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him [...]" (John 6:44) - in Greek, the word for "draw" carries the idea of compulsion, or of dragging. He will judge the goats at the final judgment based on whatever works they did not do to one of the least of His brethren - in other words, by the law; whereas His sheep are commended for whatever little thing they did do for the brethren, even if it's something so small they don't even remember, as we see by their questions. See Matthew 25:31-46. Based on the goats' questions, it is possible they did a lot of "charity"; however, they won't be judged on what they did do but rather on what they did not do. The goats get law - they get conditionalism. The sheep get grace, and they it unconditionally, just as they were chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world (Eph 1:3-6).

Be blessed as the Spirit of Christ in you teaches you...

A fellow believer, Not me

[Behold]

13 hours ago, Don19 said:

that the damned are ordained to hell.

Unconditional election is a doctrine most God-exalting and man-humbling. 

 

The false doctrine of the 'Predestined Elect" is a lie.
Its the worst sort of lie, along with the other worst lie..."you can lose your salvation".

These 2 lies are the worst sort of lies because they ABUSE the Bible to try to teach the lies.

Thats Satanic, in both cases.

See, anytime a teaching reject Salvation as both ETERNAL and FREELY GIVEN TO ALL..... John 3:16, then this LIE is miusing the BIBLE to Teach the lie and so, this teacher is  Galatians 1:8.

You don't want to be that.. reader.

So, i'll tell you again @Don19.. God does not cause people to be born... having already CHOSEN some of them to burn in the Lake of fire, never having allowed them the FREE WILL to chose Christ instead of unbelief.

To teach this denies the work of Christ on the Cross and rejects and disownes the Grace of God.

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by Behold

[JustPassingThru]

Luther's Protestant Reformation has today formed into two distinct churches...

The Church of the open door, ...Philadelphia

The church of the closed door, ...Laodicea

The two names given to them by Jesus tells us much about them,

...Phila-delphia, "brotherly love"

...Lao-dicea, "justice of/by the people"

 

The Laodiceans were proud and arrogant, ...they considered themselves righteous and just by their own works, ...Jesus tells them they are wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked, ...the opposite of what the Word tells us about the born again children of God;

 

Jesus is still giving those in the Laodicean church the chance to come out of it and be with Him,

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.

Those that decide to stay in the Laodicean church He "will" spew/vomit out of his mouth, ...the Philadelphian church door is still open today...

Lord bless

 

[Alive]

3 hours ago, OneLight said:

Reading about the church of Laodicea in Revelation 3:14-22, Jesus is addressing them as part of His Body, not heretics.  As for what they are being accused of, we read:

Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

Seems to me that pride and arrogance on their part has blinded them, thinking they have everything they need while God sees them as "wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked".  Sure is applicable today.

It is my sense of this that the Laodiceans are indicative of those that have forsaken Grace for works and it is when standing in that place, they are functionally wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked". Rejecting Grace is unpalatable to our Lord. The white garments represent the result of standing in His Grace.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Alive

[Behold]

5 hours ago, OneLight said:

How many times did Jesus tell us to repent of our sins?  How about Paul?  Repentance is part of maturing in Christ.

Instead of living your life in a state of sinning and confessing and repenting and talking about it, why dont you discover how to be free from sin so that you can do something else?

Edited May 4, 2020 by Behold

[dhchristian]

Just now, Alive said:

It is my sense of this that the Laodiceans are indicative of those that have forsaken Grace for works and it is when standing in that place, they are functionally wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked".

Indeed you are right, but this is only Part of the Laodicean church. There are also those who have a faith without works, No fruit of the Spirit, and they are all in denial that they need Jesus. Denial of need is the malady of this letter, One group has the doctrine but not the revelation right, the other has the revelation but not the doctrine right. Both are in denial they have a problem. And because Both sides are entrenched in a war against each other, they are entrenched in an error that is self deceptive. 

One side has stopped growing in the grace of God, and substituted their own strength and will to Puff them up, the other side has stopped growing in the Truth of the Word of God and have substituted their doctrine and understanding to puff them up. (Textualism).

When You begin to see this, is when you yourself will finally admit that I am a Laodicean, and we all are who are alive in this day and age in church History. It is then, and only then that you can begin to overcome that denial, and take action and begin to grow again in Grace and in Truth. This church in all it's misery, also has the greatest potential and reward for those who overcome..... Communion with Christ unadulterated in this World (The gift of discernment),  And the Bride of Christ in the Kingdom to come... Who else sits on the throne of the King? 

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev 3:20-21) 

Did you catch that? "Even as I overcame".... Ponder that for some time, think back to the temptation of Christ in the wilderness, His Prayer before the crucifixion, His Love for his enemies (sinners)….