Learn a lesson from the Great Awakening ...

[Behold]

15 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

I got the best avatar of all! Guaranteed! I’m  just too stupid to reduce the size so that it will go into the thingy....can a mod go to my profile page and get it where it belongs.....David is so hot to see my picture, he will promptly send anybody that will do this for BB $20.00.......Right,BeauOno?   Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah !!!

Yes, Angels don't have wings, but i like this painting.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

The other type bears no fruit because they do not abide in Him

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. ² He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes^[a] so that it will be even more fruitful.

I suppose you could cause your 'critical thinking' to support your overall point.
Thank you for your showing me your understanding.
As I consider, I will wait and see if  the spirit changes my long held understanding.
I will always try to stay growing.
 

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

Voilà, ...finally, ...you said it!!!

There is NOT ONE SINGLE VERSE (not shouting,  ...caps used for clarity, ...thanks George) "in" God's Word that "says" or "teaches," ...the death of Jesus on the Cross is NOT sufficient to pay for my sins!!!

There's the PROOF!!!

Someone may go on and rant all they want about "repentance," ...but the TRUTH is, ...there is NO Scriptural basis for what they say...

A verse "out" of the context the Holy Spirit intended when He wrote it, ...is a "pretext" for someone's "personal" agenda...

 

 

I'll finish with reminding the "lurkers" reading this thread what the Holy Spirit reminds us of writing through the quill of Peter:

And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).  2 Pet 3:15-16

Lurkers, ...be Bereans, 

And these (Bereans) were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily to see if those things were so. Acts 17:11

Beloved, don't believe anything I say or anyone else may say, even George and the Mods,    

...I'm certain they will agree also, do your own Bible study and allow "only" the Holy Spirit to teach you "His" Truth of what "He" has said and how "He" intended it to be "believed " and "received:"

 But the Anointing (Holy Spirit) which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His Anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him. 1 John 2:27

Lord bless and keep you as you study "His" Word...

I am not sure why you seem to be happy about this as I never said that cross was insufficient.  Those who don't like that we can walk away from Christ are the ones who have implied that is what I meant, when each time I replied that they misunderstood and I never said, nor implied, that someone can add to or take away from the finished work Jesus completed.  The misunderstanding of what I said, or the rewording of what I have said, only added to the confusion and why this argument has lasted so long.

I highly suggest that if something anyone says leave you scratching your head, ask for clarification instead of assuming the person meant this or that when it is unclear what they meant.  Be sure before accusing.

The problem I have come across is that some see salvation as a reason to not worry about sinning for the rest of their lives after they are saved, or repent from the sins they commit after salvation, which is where I differ with them.  They never consider it as a problem, and because of this mindset, they ignore the process of how and why a heart can become hardened, since they don't believe it could ever happen to them.   This is the point I have been trying to make all along.  Unfortunately, many have assumed this to mean either works salvation or that the cross is inefficient, where I have always disagreed with both assumptions. 

Look at my posts from the past month that focused on this issue - read them as if you had not read them before, without preconceived ideas as to what it meant, and you will plainly see that I never once so much as hinted Jesus salvation was not for every sin the whole world committed, past, present and future.  (I was never addressing Jesus, but man.)  You will see that Jesus is in a personal relationship with each believer, and is seeking a relationship with the lost, where a relationship requires the work of both parties involved (Jesus and the person).  The work of Jesus was completed, but at salvation, the work for the one being saved was only the beginning for the believer.

Ephesians 2:8-10

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by OneLight
spelling and clarification

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, Behold said:

Yes, Angels don't have wings, but i like this painting.

I haven't seen this well known and loved portraiture of angelic ministry to our Messiah in a very long time. It is so beautiful and means so much. Thank you.

P.S. I just put this in my picture files. God bless.  

Edited May 20, 2020 by BeauJangles

[OneLight]

35 minutes ago, Sower said:

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. ² He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes^[a] so that it will be even more fruitful.

Verse 2

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Verse 5

I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

Verse 6

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

They all fit together and agree with each other.  The verse that connects them is verse 5 - those who abide in Him bear fruit.  Those who do not abide in Him cannot bear fruit for without Jesus they can do nothing.  Truth is, those who do not bear fruit also do not abide in Christ.

[Behold]

14 minutes ago, OneLight said:

 

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

They all fit together and agree with each other.  The verse that connects them is verse 5 - those who abide in Him bear fruit.  Those who do not abide in Him cannot bear fruit for without Jesus they can do nothing.  Truth is, those who do not bear fruit also do not abide in Christ.

When you misuse a symbolic verse to try to impugn the Blood Atonement, by replacing the Cross with "abiding", which is a SELF EFFORT WORK, as the reason you remain "in Christ" or NOT, =  you are teaching a Grace denying theology that actually insults the Holy Spirit of God.

You should stop.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Behold

[Alive]

39 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Verse 2

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Verse 5

I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

Verse 6

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

They all fit together and agree with each other.  The verse that connects them is verse 5 - those who abide in Him bear fruit.  Those who do not abide in Him cannot bear fruit for without Jesus they can do nothing.  Truth is, those who do not bear fruit also do not abide in Christ.

As a born again saint, I am 'In Christ' of the Father and He is In Me, also my Life is hidden with Christ in God. This is a truism for every born again saint.

Abiding in Him is an experiential thing and a part of discipleship. This is a correct distinction.

When I have set myself to continually have my mind toward Him and the Heavenly realm rather than the earthly realm--I am abiding in Him.

This is a separate thing from being In Christ and Christ being in me---so yup--it comes down to bearing fruit as a result of 'walking' with Him.

If my mind is continually on earthly things and not the heavenly where my Life is Hidden with Him, then I won't bear the fruit as I would otherwise.

[OneLight]

26 minutes ago, Alive said:

As a born again saint, I am 'In Christ' of the Father and He is In Me, also and my Life is hidden with Christ in God. This is a truism for every bar again saint.

Abiding in Him is an experiential thing and a part of discipleship. This is a correct distinction.

When I have set myself to continually have my mind toward Him and the Heavenly realm rather than the earthly realm--I am abiding in Him.

This is a separate thing from being In Christ and Christ being in me---so yup--it comes down to bearing fruit as a result of 'walking' with Him.

If my mind is continually on earthly things and not the heavenly where my Life is Hidden with Him, then I won't bear the fruit as I would otherwise.

To abide means to continue in.  It is a continual action, not a one-time-for-all instance after salvation, so being IN Christ is the same as a believer abiding In Christ.  There is no difference.

[Sower]

You know guys, the chapter of John 15 is a beautiful sharing of the word of God that explains
how our Father loves us so much, He personally prunes (hands on) our lives (really cool) that we would bear much fruit
(for others) and that pleases Him, very much, through His beloved son, the true vine,  whom He was well pleased.
The whole learning of this, and how we need to quit working for God and abide and let Him work THROUGH us 
is lost through the problematic back and forth head butting on this forum. Ad nauseum....
John 15 is a favorite of mine, but it, like so many threads on this forum, have become just a battle ground for the
 " but I just gotta set them straight" or more correctly, what they believe. That's cool.  But, what of our testimony?
Isn't the gospel simple?
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,
and to love one another as he commanded us.  1 John 3:23

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 1 John 3:23

 

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.   Rev 12; 11

 

 

[JustPassingThru]

22 hours ago, OneLight said:

I am not sure why you seem to be happy about this as I never said that cross was insufficient. 

 

Oh yes you did, in your reply to Alive, ...on page 8, ...on 5/17/2020 at 5:44 AM OneLight said:

 

Do you believe that a true born again believer can lose their temper and start committing sins as they walk in the flesh for a period?  These are not unknown sins, nor are they sins forgiven at the cross, but sins committed from walking in the flesh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by JustPassingThru