At what point should we refuse a mandatory vaccine or mark?

[Dennis1209]

13 hours ago, Traveler said:

Now that constitutes rock solid evidence. I'm surprised no one has taken a bulldozer to it yet.

It should go without mention, it took a pretty good chunk of change and planning to accomplish this. What's changed, obvious and really concerning is; they're [globalists - euthanasia crowd] out of the closet and don't even try to hide their wicked agenda's anymore [same with sodomites, Wicca and devil worshipers]. Verbatim it outlines and states what the U.N., elites, globalists and even the Pope are pushing for and introducing. Those that are not asleep; can plainly see what is taking place globally and nationally to exercise more people control and take away rights and privileges, in the name of safety and security. To Introduce the long planned and awaited for Utopian Babylonian New World Order system.  

It's become an all out open rebellion against God, morals and decency. 

Question: Given the known belief's and actions of Bill Gates Sr. and his clone son, by a show of 'thumbs up', does anyone believe the Melinda & Bill Gates foundation is a benevolent organization? How does some rich nerd computer guy gain so much sway and influence in something he has no background in?

[Dennis1209]

19 hours ago, dad2 said:

Never heard of that. Weird. So far there are a few things that come to mind. One is that the name used in the project was 'Christian'. Killing people to limit population is anti Christ. I also notice the silly blobs of ugliness were transferred to the county.

 

" Christian later transferred ownership of the land and the guidestones to Elbert County.^[2]"

^wiki

 

So now it is that county that is wholly responsible for not destroying them and for what they say. I wonder if that country allows Christmas displays about Jesus? On simple solution might be to erase the text and inscribe the Lord's prayer or ten commandments instead! Ha.

In any case, some drugged out hippies that were too afraid to use real names and paid to have some foolish garbage inscribed on stones in a farmer field hardly represent western governments. I think the graffiti is more art than the stones.

One thing we can deduct; it's an expensive thought out monument to an evil and perverted belief system. It's not know for sure whom is responsible for it but; some evidence and speculation points to the globalist 'Ted Turner', former spouse of the infamous Hanoi Jane. 

[BibleStudent100]

So many here are of the belief that this mark of the wild beast is literal; my understanding has always been that the mark is more figurative.  After all, in Ezekiel’s vision a man with a secretary’s inkhorn was commissioned to go through Jerusalem and to ‘put a mark on those who were sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that were being done in the midst of it.’ This action on their part showed that they were righteous persons belonging to God, and therefore worthy of preservation at the time for the execution of God's judgment. The figurative mark on their forehead testified to that fact.—Ezekiel 9

On the other hand, in John’s vision persons receiving the mark of the wild beast on their forehead or on their hand were in line for destruction. The mark on the forehead publicly identified them as worshipers of the wild beast and therefore as slaves to it and so would be be opposers of God and the mark on the hand would logically signify active support of the wild beast, as the hand is something being used to accomplish work.—Revelation 13

Can someone explain the reasoning behind an interpretation of these marks that reflect a more literal interpretation?  Many thanks!
 

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

One thing we can deduct; it's an expensive thought out monument to an evil and perverted belief system. It's not know for sure whom is responsible for it but; some evidence and speculation points to the globalist 'Ted Turner', former spouse of the infamous Hanoi Jane. 

The people who own it now according to wiki are Elbert county. They might as well have put it up since they allow it and do nothing about it. That is their statement now. (and since we don't know who put it up, it might as well always have been)

Edited May 22, 2020 by dad2

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, BibleStudent100 said:

So many here are of the belief that this mark of the wild beast is literal; my understanding has always been that the mark is more figurative. 

Just a brief comment. You're aware of the scriptures concerning the mark as am I. 

1 hour ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Can someone explain the reasoning behind an interpretation of these marks that reflect a more literal interpretation?  Many thanks!

We've all surmised on what type of external or internal "mark" or form of identification will be. There must be a means of checking, scanning, or accessing it. People will not be able to conduct business, buy food, or sell it. This includes an world wide monetary system, also indicated in the word of God. It could not possibly be a "figurative" thing. Otherwise nothing's going to happen according to the prophesy. Thanks for the allowance to state this. I'm out now. Have fun, guys. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by BeauJangles

[other one]

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

That comes with a problem. If you shoot nukes at just one place, you may get retaliation in another.

Are you assuming I'm shooting first?

 

[dad2]

1 hour ago, BibleStudent100 said:

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So many here are of the belief that this mark of the wild beast is literal; my understanding has always been that the mark is more figurative. 

No.

 

 

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After all, in Ezekiel’s vision a man with a secretary’s inkhorn was commissioned to go through Jerusalem and to ‘put a mark on those who were sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that were being done in the midst of it.’ This action on their part showed that they were righteous persons belonging to God, and therefore worthy of preservation at the time for the execution of God's judgment. The figurative mark on their forehead testified to that fact.—Ezekiel 9

It sounds like the sign was about Jesus. Like the Passover where they had a mark on their doors (a literal mark in that case)

"and mark thou tau on the foreheads," tau was that which was ordered to be placed on the foreheads of those mourners; and Jerome says, that this Hebrew letter tau was formerly written like a cross. So then the people were to be signed with the sign of the cross! It is certain that on the ancient Samaritan coins, which are yet extant, the letter tau is in the form +, which is what we term St. Andrew's cross. The sense derived from this by many commentators is, that God, having ordered those penitents to be marked with this figure, which is the sign of the cross, intimated that there is no redemption nor saving of life but by the cross of Christ, and that this will avail none but the real penitent. All this is true in itself, but it is not true in respect to this place. The Hebrew words signify literally, thou shalt make a mark, or sign a sign, but give no intimation what that mark or sign was. It was intended here to be what the sprinkling of the blood of the paschal lamb on the lintels and door-posts of the Israelites was, namely, a notice to the destroying angel what house he should spare. As the whole of this matter only passed in vision we are bound to neither letter, nor any other kind of figure. The symbolical action teaches us that God, in general judgments, will make a distinction between the innocent and the guilty, between the penitent and the hardened sinner. "

http://classic.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=eze&chapter=9&verse=3#Eze9_3

 It looks like the sign was not for men but angels, so that they know who to spare.

Confirming this in another commentary, we see that the ones that had charge over the place were angels.

"Cause ye them that have charge over the city…
(Ezekiel 9:1). These words need to carry a more ominous import; and Cooke translated this sentence, Approach, ye executioners of the city"

http://classic.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=eze&chapter=9&verse=3#Eze9_3

In another commentary we see that the 'man' in verse 3 was also an angel.

"Verse 3. And he called to the man
The person here who called was that who sat on the chariot of the Divine glory. See Ezekiel 1:26. "

http://classic.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=eze&chapter=9&verse=3#Eze9_3

In Revelation the mark of the beast is on real men. They cannot buy or sell in the physical world without that mark, so it is no invisible mark seen only by angels. The mark is given by a world leader, not angels. There is a warning not to receive this mark. That means that there is a point where people come to receive it. It is not a spiritual mark, but physical. (and of course has spiritual implications as well)

 

 

[dad2]

5 minutes ago, other one said:

Are you assuming I'm shooting first?

No. I am looking at the results of shooting. Is killing billions of people something we would do if saved? Is that God's way of preaching the gospel and overcoming evil?

[other one]

8 minutes ago, dad2 said:

No. I am looking at the results of shooting. Is killing billions of people something we would do if saved? Is that God's way of preaching the gospel and overcoming evil?

Nope it's the way of saving what's left of our country.  It has been the choice of our country to never shoot first again. And so for a very long time

[dad2]

12 minutes ago, other one said:

Nope it's the way of saving what's left of our country.  It has been the choice of our country to never shoot first again. And so for a very long time

Whoever (is blamed) for shooting first doesn't really matter so much. The result is a radioactive death mess.

Is that really a way to save your country? I would think the best way is ask for God's protection. That cannot come when they are having drag queen shows introduced to little children, and hundreds of millions of babies killed, and Sodom pride days and 'marriages' etc etc. God can't (won't) protect that kind of country and neither can the weapons or war that country has!

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by dad2