Name That King! Revealing the Beast.

[The Light]

35 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The first beast; Revelation 13:1-10, is a; religious king... 

He is the seventh, and after he is seemingly wounded and healed he will be like a different person and therefore, eighth.

 The first beast is not described as doing any miracles. [Rev 13:1-10]

The first beast will usher in the false prophet, the second best; Revelation 13:11-18, one described as doing seeming miracles in Revelation and therefore connecting with 2 Thess 2:1-11

therefore we know that beast #2 will be the one claiming to be 'Jesus'.  Which also makes more clear who beast #1 is... a religious king..  

 

It's clear that the "beast" and "false prophet" culminate as two actual people; Revelation 19:20-21.

The first beast as a whole is a kingdom with seven major kings and 10 minor kings.   [Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:8-12]

One of the major kings will seem to die and be healed from death, causing the majority of the world to marvel and wonder. [Rev 13:3, 17:8]

After his wounding and healing that king himself is called a beast, he and the false prophet are thrown directly into the lake of fire; Revelation 19:20-21.

 

The Lord will return with a shout, and will resurrect many, and with a great army behind Him He will slay the two beasts as prophesied in Isaiah 26:19-21, 27:1,

and described in Revelation 19:17-21.

I hear that a lot that the 1st beast is the 7th king. That cannot be correct because the beast was and is not. He was before John wrote revelation and is not in Johns time. He will return as the eight king and is of the 7. He cannot be the 7th king.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

14 minutes ago, The Light said:

because the beast was and is not.

"The beast that you saw, was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into destruction:"   

"And they that dwell on the earth shall marvel, whose names are not in the book of life, when they behold the beast that was and is not and yet is."  Revelation 17:8

"was and is not, and yet is"  

Alive, seemingly killed, and seemingly healed from death.   Rev 13:3 and 17:8 speak of the same thing.

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The book of Revelation is telling the same one story repeatedly using different visions each giving different details, this is clear due to Rev 9:11, 11:7, 17:8.

The beast described in Revelation 13:1-10 is described again in Revelation 17.  "seven heads, and ten horns"  Revelation 17:10-12 specifically tells us that the heads are kings, and that the beast that "was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into destruction"

 

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Therefore we can conclude that "was and is not" is a reference to the fact that while he may seem to have been healed, he really is not, because he will go into destruction.

Edited June 19, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam
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[The Light]

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"The beast that you saw, was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into destruction:"   

"And they that dwell on the earth shall marvel, whose names are not in the book of life, when they behold the beast that was and is not and yet is."  Revelation 17:8

"was and is not, and yet is"  

Alive, seemingly killed, and seemingly healed from death.   Rev 13:3 and 17:8 speak of the same thing.

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The book of Revelation is telling the same one story repeatedly using different visions each giving different details, this is clear due to Rev 9:11, 11:7, 17:8.

The beast described in Revelation 13:1-10 is described again in Revelation 17.  "seven heads, and ten horns"  Revelation 17:10-12 specifically tells us that the heads are kings, and that the beast that "was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into destruction"

 

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Therefore we can conclude that "was and is not" is a reference to the fact that while he may seem to have been healed, he really is not, because he will go into destruction.

Your conclusion is not correct. The beast was and is not. That means he was alive before John wrote Revelation. He is not when John is writing Revelation. He was killed. Since John says five have fallen, the beast must be of the five that are fallen.

Clue #9

Rev 17

¹⁰ And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

On 6/18/2020 at 8:46 AM, The Light said:

What tells you that the False Prophet is a Jewish High priest?

You are probably correct that I won't get that Apollyon is the Beast. That's because he is not. Apoloyon is over the locusts that are released from the pit. Their job is to inflict pain on men not lead them.

Via my studies of Daniel 11 where I delved into every King of Daniel, how they came to be King, and all the players in and around every King. Its an in depth study that took a good while. In so doing I found a nugget that is only in the Book of Maccabees and of course in the history books. A guy name Jason {real name Yeshua} bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest, having his own brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed {HIS ACTIONS ARE PARAMOUNT} He the tried to Hellenize the Jews which led to the Maccabean Revolt, and they thus eventually overcame the Greeks, just after Antiochus was killed in a War on the Eastern front.

So, I have only wrote about him here 150 times.  It seems to never dawns on anyone that if Antiochus is the TYPE Anti-Christ he has to have had a TYPE False Prophet also. And hes only found via researching history and the Book of the Maccabees since Jason was the one that tried to make the Jews worship the Greek gods and take on the Greek culture, even taking a Greek name himself {Jason} Yeshua can be Jason, Joshua or Jesus in Greek. So, of course I asked myself, why would God give John the False Prophet but not give it to Daniel? And suddenly it came unto me, if Daniel was told a High Priest False Prophet was going to betray Israel at some point in the future, the Jews from Daniel's time to 70 AD would have been so weary of this coming to pass they would have killed every other High Priest and they would never have fully trusted any of the High Priests down through the ages, looking for a traitor. Whereas John was given this in like 90 AD after Jerusalem had fallen for good, never to return until 1948. So Daniel is given this False Prophet, but only VAGUELY. HERE BELOW:

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The ABOVE is the False Prophet, the Beast doesn't Conquer Jerusalem until the 1260, which is 30 days later, after the 1290. 

MY STUDIES BELOW led me to Jason...........

Daniel 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. 30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Antiochus Epiphanes soon returned to Egypt with the intention of conquering Alexandria. The Egyptians however sent a message to Rome asking for help. Three Roman senators were sent by ship to inform Antiochus Epiphanes that he was not to invade Egypt and to demand that he retreat immediately. This of course made him angry and Antiochus seems to have taken it out on the Jewish believers. He killed many of them but allowed the Hellenistic Jews to live as long as they forsook the Holy Covenant !! He was indeed a vile man, seemingly a forerunner to the coming Anti-Christ/Beast in many of his mannerisms. Jason also seems to be a forerunner of the False Prophet. 

Anyone who can't understand who Apollyon is is just slacking tbh. Its not that hard. It doesn't fit your predetermined narrative. 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

Anyone who can't understand who Apollyon is is just slacking tbh. Its not that hard. It doesn't fit your predetermined narrative. 

 

Clue #9

Rev 17

¹⁰ And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

As for your predetermined narrative comment it doesn't fly. I'm probably the least likely poster on this board to have a predetermined narrative.

I used to think that Apollyon was the beast as he comes out of the pit. However, that's about the only thing that lines up correctly. And the timing absolutely will not work. So Apollyon is not the beast.

I also used to think that 70 AD was being talked about in Matthew 24. I also used to think that the Church age was being talked about in Matt 24. But they aren't. So you can toss your predetermined narrative about my predetermined narrative in the trash cash as it won't fly.

So, If Apollyon is the eighth king when was he one of the 7 and which one is he?

[Diaste]

I would say:

No.

Yes.

No.

Appolyon is the king of the locusts.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

I would say:

No.

Yes.

No.

Appolyon is the king of the locusts.

Appreciate your input. It is however biased due to your great fear that there is a pretribulation rapture.

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Appreciate your input. It is however biased due to your great fear that there is a pretribulation rapture.

Lol!  I needed that.  

[The Light]

2 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Lol!  I needed that.  

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, The Light said:

Appreciate your input. It is however biased due to your great fear that there is a pretribulation rapture.

Pretrib or not I'm sure it doesn't hinge where the beast comes from.

I'd like to see the beast identified by name. Whoever he turns out to be it seems doubtful he rises from the EU, Rome, The US, or anywhere else but the Mideast.