A of D, I might have cracked part of the mystery

[Serving]

Was reading Daniel last week and something jumped out at me.

You know when you read something you've read a zillion times and out of nowhere that voice in your head tells you, "This is what it means" .. even though you weren't even trying to work it out, you were just reading the chapter as you have done a zillion times before.

Well, when reading about the Abomination of Desolation, that is what happened to me.

And that voice in my head told me this, "This is the image of the beast"

And it just seemed so logical, so obvious, and I thought to myself, "How did I not see this before" ?

Here is the verse :

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I am of that group that believes the above daily sacrifice is referring to followers of the Lord, since we sacrifice our sinful nature daily, that is, deny our many fleshly lusts to the best of our abilities for the Lord, there will come a time when our beliefs will be seen as "hate speech" and the FP will endeavour to undermine our world view at every step .. this is our power that is being scattered, scattered in the eyes of the unbelieving world that is.

Don't get me wrong, pretty much everyone i've seen who believes the same, still believe in a physical temple too .. we just need to discern and separate the clues between the two .. this is so the world does not understand what is truly being conveyed, as God said He does do .. on purpose. 

Anyways, we know the false prophet has two terms of roughly 3 1/2 years respectfully. 

But his first 3 1/2 years is not one of tribulation against the saints, but rather, one of trying to convince Christians and seduce them onto his side by his "Marvellous words". (this is why it is inaccurate to say 7 year tribulation, it is only 3 1/2 years of tribulation for the saints) 

And we must realise something else here .. only the Christians are able to resist his marvellous words, but what of the rest of the world?

Obviously, they will be lapping it up and in agreeance .. they will be under "strong delusion to believe the lie" from the Lord right .. think about that for a moment.

If all the other people agree with his marvellous words except the Christians .. then exactly whose "power" will be getting "scattered" at that time?

Well, Christian based nations of course. Hence the "power of the holy people will be scattered". Our systems become undermined and rejected by the world, we are not yet destroyed or suffering tribulation, just undermined and rejected by the rest of the world, and even among many of our fellow countrymen too .. our power or lifestyles reflected in our countries laws will be under attack from all sides .. that is, our systems of governance and law will begin to be readied for replacement with some other system reflecting some other world view .. "his" world view.

But .. but after that first term, after that first term he switches tactics. Now he enshrines into law, or "sets up" a new system where the inhabitants of the world put together this "image" for the first beast .. and once this "image" is "set up", he gives "power unto it" .. and only then comes the tribulation of the saints. (I believe the image of the beast is some new constitution one must make a pledge to) 

Now, notice that after the Abomination of Desolation is set up, in other verses I've not bothered putting here yet, after it is set up, he comes after the saints .. comes after our very lives this time. And, he only has 3 1/2 years left

Well what happens after he sets the image of the beast up?

If we don't take this mark of the beast which is the physical manifestation of the images precepts or guidelines, we are put to death !!

And how long does he have once the image of the beast is set up and it's correlating mark is released?

3 1/2 years !! Exactly the same time span as the Abomination of Desolation !!

And another thing .. the saints are only attacked physically after this Abomination of desolation is "set up" .. exactly the same thing happens after the image of the beast is set up too !!

As far as I am concerned .. Houston, we have a match.

Your thoughts?

 

[Sister]

8 hours ago, Serving said:

Was reading Daniel last week and something jumped out at me.

You know when you read something you've read a zillion times and out of nowhere that voice in your head tells you, "This is what it means" .. even though you weren't even trying to work it out, you were just reading the chapter as you have done a zillion times before.

Well, when reading about the Abomination of Desolation, that is what happened to me.

And that voice in my head told me this, "This is the image of the beast"

And it just seemed so logical, so obvious, and I thought to myself, "How did I not see this before" ?

Here is the verse :

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I am of that group that believes the above daily sacrifice is referring to followers of the Lord, since we sacrifice our sinful nature daily, that is, deny our many fleshly lusts to the best of our abilities for the Lord, there will come a time when our beliefs will be seen as "hate speech" and the FP will endeavour to undermine our world view at every step .. this is our power that is being scattered, scattered in the eyes of the unbelieving world that is.

Don't get me wrong, pretty much everyone i've seen who believes the same, still believe in a physical temple too .. we just need to discern and separate the clues between the two .. this is so the world does not understand what is truly being conveyed, as God said He does do .. on purpose. 

Anyways, we know the false prophet has two terms of roughly 3 1/2 years respectfully. 

But his first 3 1/2 years is not one of tribulation against the saints, but rather, one of trying to convince Christians and seduce them onto his side by his "Marvellous words". (this is why it is inaccurate to say 7 year tribulation, it is only 3 1/2 years of tribulation for the saints) 

And we must realise something else here .. only the Christians are able to resist his marvellous words, but what of the rest of the world?

Obviously, they will be lapping it up and in agreeance .. they will be under "strong delusion to believe the lie" from the Lord right .. think about that for a moment.

If all the other people agree with his marvellous words except the Christians .. then exactly whose "power" will be getting "scattered" at that time?

Well, Christian based nations of course. Hence the "power of the holy people will be scattered". Our systems become undermined and rejected by the world, we are not yet destroyed or suffering tribulation, just undermined and rejected by the rest of the world, and even among many of our fellow countrymen too .. our power or lifestyles reflected in our countries laws will be under attack from all sides .. that is, our systems of governance and law will begin to be readied for replacement with some other system reflecting some other world view .. "his" world view.

But .. but after that first term, after that first term he switches tactics. Now he enshrines into law, or "sets up" a new system where the inhabitants of the world put together this "image" for the first beast .. and once this "image" is "set up", he gives "power unto it" .. and only then comes the tribulation of the saints. (I believe the image of the beast is some new constitution one must make a pledge to) 

Now, notice that after the Abomination of Desolation is set up, in other verses I've not bothered putting here yet, after it is set up, he comes after the saints .. comes after our very lives this time. And, he only has 3 1/2 years left

Well what happens after he sets the image of the beast up?

If we don't take this mark of the beast which is the physical manifestation of the images precepts or guidelines, we are put to death !!

And how long does he have once the image of the beast is set up and it's correlating mark is released?

3 1/2 years !! Exactly the same time span as the Abomination of Desolation !!

And another thing .. the saints are only attacked physically after this Abomination of desolation is "set up" .. exactly the same thing happens after the image of the beast is set up too !!

As far as I am concerned .. Houston, we have a match.

Your thoughts?

 

Yes we have a match!  Good post.

[Last Daze]

8 minutes ago, Sister said:

But .. but after that first term, after that first term he switches tactics. Now he enshrines into law, or "sets up" a new system where the inhabitants of the world put together this "image" for the first beast .. and once this "image" is "set up", he gives "power unto it" .. and only then comes the tribulation of the saints. (I believe the image of the beast is some new constitution one must make a pledge to) 

I'm not familiar with the two-terms of the FP but I see the image similarly.  The people of the world build it so its a collaborative effort, some sort of code of conduct, that starts being built when the AoD takes place.  Its something everyone has a say in, like an online petition, that expresses the FP's dominion.

[Serving]

3 hours ago, Sister said:

Yes we have a match!  Good post.

Thanks Sister !!

 

 

[Serving]

3 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I'm not familiar with the two-terms of the FP but I see the image similarly.  The people of the world build it so its a collaborative effort, some sort of code of conduct, that starts being built when the AoD takes place.  Its something everyone has a say in, like an online petition, that expresses the FP's dominion.

EXACTLY !! 

I've always thought he is going to reintroduce a form of common law, thus they will involve the people and likely send out some sort of tick the box document, you know, pick a/b or c questionnaire, that way, he/they still get to frame/control the narrative/outcome, all within a predetermined and tolerable format by the deliberate framing of said questions. 

It seems common sense really doesn't it Daze, when people feel they're really part of something, that they are co-builders, that they have their very own horse in the race as it were, then they commit more readily and more passionately.  

And this passion is exactly what's needed when deciding what to do to those outsiders/rebels who refuse to be a part of their new agreed upon utopia. 

"We gave them a chance" will likely be the phrase of the day .. because when people feel justified, almost anything can be done "in their name".

Thanks Daze.   

Edited June 30, 2020 by Serving

[Last Daze]

18 minutes ago, Serving said:

I've always thought he is going to reintroduce a form of common law, thus they will involve the people and likely send out some sort of tick the box document, you know, pick a/b or c questionnaire, that way, he/they still get to frame/control the narrative/outcome, all within a predetermined and tolerable format by the deliberate framing of said question

Agree.  I also think it will coincide with receiving his mark, something that takes place during the first 30 days of the 1290, a grace period of sorts.  Then worshiping the image becomes mandatory under the penalty of death.

19 minutes ago, Serving said:

It seems common sense really doesn't it Daze, when people feel they're really part of something, that they are co-builders, that they have their very own horse in the race as it were, then they commit more readily and more passionately.  

And this passion is exactly what's needed when deciding what to do to those outsiders/rebels who refuse to be a part of their new agreed upon utopia. 

Absolutely.  Those who are deceived by his signs and wonders will be fanatical in their support of him as God and won't be able to conceive of any reason why anyone would want to opt-out.  They'll all buy into the lie and have an interest in its enforcement.

25 minutes ago, Serving said:

"We gave them a chance" will likely be the phrase of the day .. because when people feel justified, almost anything can be done "in their name".

Yeah, they will think that they are doing God a service.

[Serving]

19 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Agree.  I also think it will coincide with receiving his mark, something that takes place during the first 30 days of the 1290, a grace period of sorts.  Then worshiping the image becomes mandatory under the penalty of death.

Absolutely.  Those who are deceived by his signs and wonders will be fanatical in their support of him as God and won't be able to conceive of any reason why anyone would want to opt-out.  They'll all buy into the lie and have an interest in its enforcement.

Yeah, they will think that they are doing God a service.

We are on the same page.

[Revelation Man]

On 6/30/2020 at 12:02 AM, Serving said:

Was reading Daniel last week and something jumped out at me.

You know when you read something you've read a zillion times and out of nowhere that voice in your head tells you, "This is what it means" .. even though you weren't even trying to work it out, you were just reading the chapter as you have done a zillion times before.

Well, when reading about the Abomination of Desolation, that is what happened to me.

And that voice in my head told me this, "This is the image of the beast"

And it just seemed so logical, so obvious, and I thought to myself, "How did I not see this before" ?

Here is the verse :

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I am of that group that believes the above daily sacrifice is referring to followers of the Lord, since we sacrifice our sinful nature daily, that is, deny our many fleshly lusts to the best of our abilities for the Lord, there will come a time when our beliefs will be seen as "hate speech" and the FP will endeavour to undermine our world view at every step .. this is our power that is being scattered, scattered in the eyes of the unbelieving world that is.

You kinda get it, but then get off tracked by other things.

On 6/30/2020 at 12:02 AM, Serving said:

3 1/2 years !! Exactly the same time span as the Abomination of Desolation !!

 

Like this, how can it be 3.5 years when it says 1290 days which is not 3.5 years but 3.5 years PLUS 30 days? 

The KEY is understanding that all three numbers in Dan. 12 = HOW LONG until these Wonders End {Second Coming} The Angel asks Jesus that and Jesus tells him from the time holy people lose their power {get conquered by the Anti-Christ} it'll be 1260 days {Second Coming} so likewise, Daniel asks the same question in verse 8, WHAT WILL BE THE END OF THESE THINGS? So, the 1290 and 1335 are also EVENTS and the number of days from said events until the Second Coming Ends all these wonders Daniel was seeing. 

So, your hunch was right, it is the IMAGE as placed by the False Prophet, NOT the Anti-Christ, its the IMAGE of the Anti-Christ or what I see as the E.U. President. This happens 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel/Mediterranean Sea Region at the 1260 event where he overcomes the power of the holy peoples {Israel}. So this is Jesus Worship being TAKEN AWAY, not from Christians since the Rapture has already happened, well it will be forbidden from the Remnant Church also, but this s referring to the Jews who repented and started Worshiping Jesus in the Temple of God, the 1/3 of Zechariah 13:8-9, the 2/3 will be cut-off, but the 1/3 calls God God BEFORE the Day of the Lord which comes via Zechariah 14:1-2. We also know Elijah is sent back BEFORE the DOTL via Malachi 4:5-6 to turn Israel back unto God. So, Israel repent BEFORE the DOTL, that is how they know to Flee Judea at the 1290, the 1260 is the DOTL and it lasts for 1260 days. 

Thus, the 1335 is THE BLESSING, the Two-witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God BY FAITH.

1335 comes FIRST..........Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the Second Coming ends all these wonders.

1290 comes next, the False Prophet FORBIDS Jesus Worship in the Temple of God and places the IMAGE of the Anti-Christ in the Temple.

1260 comes last, the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel, Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region to become THE BEAST fir 1260 days, after which Jesus shows up, so its 1260 days until ALL THESE WONDERS END {Second Coming}. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Salvation67]

On 6/30/2020 at 1:08 PM, Serving said:

EXACTLY !! 

I've always thought he is going to reintroduce a form of common law, thus they will involve the people and likely send out some sort of tick the box document, you know, pick a/b or c questionnaire, that way, he/they still get to frame/control the narrative/outcome, all within a predetermined and tolerable format by the deliberate framing of said questions. 

It seems common sense really doesn't it Daze, when people feel they're really part of something, that they are co-builders, that they have their very own horse in the race as it were, then they commit more readily and more passionately.  

And this passion is exactly what's needed when deciding what to do to those outsiders/rebels who refuse to be a part of their new agreed upon utopia. 

"We gave them a chance" will likely be the phrase of the day .. because when people feel justified, almost anything can be done "in their name".

Thanks Daze.   

You just might be onto something cause im kind of seeing this going on here in the U.S right now with the MLB issues and Covid. The mentality seems to be  "Hey, we feel very strongly about this....and you should too, and if you dont agree then you are part of the problem." so yea, I can see it being very possible.

[Uriah]

On 6/30/2020 at 1:02 AM, Serving said:

Was reading Daniel last week and something jumped out at me.

You know when you read something you've read a zillion times and out of nowhere that voice in your head tells you, "This is what it means" .. even though you weren't even trying to work it out, you were just reading the chapter as you have done a zillion times before.

Well, when reading about the Abomination of Desolation, that is what happened to me.

And that voice in my head told me this, "This is the image of the beast"

And it just seemed so logical, so obvious, and I thought to myself, "How did I not see this before" ?

Here is the verse :

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I am of that group that believes the above daily sacrifice is referring to followers of the Lord, since we sacrifice our sinful nature daily, that is, deny our many fleshly lusts to the best of our abilities for the Lord, there will come a time when our beliefs will be seen as "hate speech" and the FP will endeavour to undermine our world view at every step .. this is our power that is being scattered, scattered in the eyes of the unbelieving world that is.

Don't get me wrong, pretty much everyone i've seen who believes the same, still believe in a physical temple too .. we just need to discern and separate the clues between the two .. this is so the world does not understand what is truly being conveyed, as God said He does do .. on purpose. 

Anyways, we know the false prophet has two terms of roughly 3 1/2 years respectfully. 

But his first 3 1/2 years is not one of tribulation against the saints, but rather, one of trying to convince Christians and seduce them onto his side by his "Marvellous words". (this is why it is inaccurate to say 7 year tribulation, it is only 3 1/2 years of tribulation for the saints) 

And we must realise something else here .. only the Christians are able to resist his marvellous words, but what of the rest of the world?

Obviously, they will be lapping it up and in agreeance .. they will be under "strong delusion to believe the lie" from the Lord right .. think about that for a moment.

If all the other people agree with his marvellous words except the Christians .. then exactly whose "power" will be getting "scattered" at that time?

Well, Christian based nations of course. Hence the "power of the holy people will be scattered". Our systems become undermined and rejected by the world, we are not yet destroyed or suffering tribulation, just undermined and rejected by the rest of the world, and even among many of our fellow countrymen too .. our power or lifestyles reflected in our countries laws will be under attack from all sides .. that is, our systems of governance and law will begin to be readied for replacement with some other system reflecting some other world view .. "his" world view.

But .. but after that first term, after that first term he switches tactics. Now he enshrines into law, or "sets up" a new system where the inhabitants of the world put together this "image" for the first beast .. and once this "image" is "set up", he gives "power unto it" .. and only then comes the tribulation of the saints. (I believe the image of the beast is some new constitution one must make a pledge to) 

Now, notice that after the Abomination of Desolation is set up, in other verses I've not bothered putting here yet, after it is set up, he comes after the saints .. comes after our very lives this time. And, he only has 3 1/2 years left

Well what happens after he sets the image of the beast up?

If we don't take this mark of the beast which is the physical manifestation of the images precepts or guidelines, we are put to death !!

And how long does he have once the image of the beast is set up and it's correlating mark is released?

3 1/2 years !! Exactly the same time span as the Abomination of Desolation !!

And another thing .. the saints are only attacked physically after this Abomination of desolation is "set up" .. exactly the same thing happens after the image of the beast is set up too !!

As far as I am concerned .. Houston, we have a match.

Your thoughts?

 

Hi Serving,

This reminds me of something similar I posted here a few times. I believe 4 prophecies will be fulfilled in one event. The abomination of desolation on a wing (border) of the Temple, seeing it "in the Holy Place", where an image is given power to speak, like God sitting in the Temple of God.

 

I know, it is a crude attempt at artwork, but it is only intended to illustrate the point.

Edited July 3, 2020 by Uriah
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