divorce and remarriage cancer worse than corona

[vic66]

18 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I completely agree. 

You should try it sometime. 

The fact is this op does not use whole scripture. It practices letter over principle and it is devoid of the larger precepts I have broached. Reposting selctive use of letter over precept does not change those facts. 

 

Are you married, vic? Divorced?

Yes  i am married

Christ used scripture to teach the permanence of marriage And he took the religious jews back to God original intent in the book of Genesis

Edited July 19, 2020 by vic66

[Fidei Defensor]

2 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Wow. No kidding? That is truly shocking. You don't mind if I give that post an "Oy Vey!" reaction on there do you? I'll do that and you'll know it's about the craze of the Islamic faith and not for you as the one posting this horrifying factual information. Alright now, here it comes. Wait for it... 

Thanks for clarifying the Oy Vey.  

The bondage of Islam (which aptly means submit), is real for 2 Billion Muslims. 

“They’re prophet says submit, Jesus says decide.” -Sibylla (Kingdom of Heaven) 

Praise God the Trinity over 1 Million Muslims have been saved in Iran. The Ayyitlah himself said, “we can’t comtain this Christian wave, when we persecute it, it gets stronger.”  (CBN). 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Fidei Defensor

[vic66]

33 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

You're not even trying to learn are you, vic66? I see. Oh, well... 

Have a nice day! 

It is a dangerous thing to teach in opposition to Christ.

marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but Fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Edited July 19, 2020 by vic66

[Fidei Defensor]

1 hour ago, Abby-Joy said:

I really do appreciate the time you took to put all of this together. I wish there was more clear Biblical instruction and protection for women who are in a domestic violence type of situation.

No problem. It is my endeavor to answer queries when they are asked.  

[BeauJangles]

On 7/18/2020 at 8:20 PM, vic66 said:

It is a dangerous thing to teach in opposition to Christ.

Yes, I know that. Now listen, vic66. You must know I DO NOT and I mean DO NOT advocate any other than what Christ teaches. NOTHING in opposition. No, not EVER! Are we clear on this? I certainly hope so. 

On 7/18/2020 at 8:20 PM, vic66 said:

marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but Fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Yes, I know that too. But listen to me again, vic66. ALL will be judged according to whether or not they have confessed and chosen Jesus the Christ as Saviour AND Lord! Not merely those who are sexually impure or who have been unfaithful. You seem to thrive on these needlessly distasteful words and terms.

Yes, I do realize they are in God's word. But, you sling them around similar to profanity. Really, vic66. You could use some polishing up. You're a little tarnished, if you know what I mean. It's not all that difficult to use a bit more class. Are you familiar with the term, "starched white shirt"? Let's not be like that. Crusty!

And have a nice day! 

Edited July 22, 2020 by George
This is getting personal ... the USE of YOU YOU YOU ... makes it personal. Have a discussion without making it personal ... it'll make for a conversation! :)

[vic66]

looking at the marriage bond

source:  www.wisereaction.org and www. marriagedivorce.com as an e-book.

Genesis 2:21-25 “And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.” Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” ~ God made Adam out of dirt. Don’t you think He  could have done the same with Eve? Why did He take a rib out of man? It was a very symbolic event to represent one flesh. ~ God created humans, then the universal law of marriage. Only God can make two people one flesh. Jesus confirms it in the New Testament (Mark 10:6-9). ~ Notice God made marriage between a man and  a woman. He does not approve of any other setup. He  could have made many other arrangements, but  He did not. He will never approve of any other marriage arrangement. Proverbs 2:17 – “Who forsakes the companion of her youth, And forgets the covenant of her God.” ~ Marriage, whether people want to believe it or not, is a  triangle. God is the witness and He joins them together 
Chapter Three Chapter Three God Speaks in the Old Testament
Have you not Read?
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Mark 10:9 – Marriage is a covenant between God and the two people who make the vows to God  and  to each other. God does the joining once He hears the vows made to Him and each other. Malachi 2:13-17 “And this is the second thing you do: You cover the altar of the LORD with tears, With weeping and crying; So He does not regard the offering anymore, Nor receive it with good will from your hands. Yet you say, “For what reason?” Because the LORD has been witness between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion and your wife by covenant. But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth. “For the LORD God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one’s garment with violence,” Says the LORD of hosts. “Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously.” You have wearied the LORD with your words; Yet you say, “In what way have we wearied Him?” In that you say, “Everyone who does evil Is good in the sight of the LORD, And He delights in them,” Or, “Where is the God of justice?” He Made Them One. ~ The Lord was witness to your marriage ~ Malachi is restoring this important principle; No matter if you leave her, she is still your wife by covenant. He affirms God made them one. ~ A reason for the union is Godly offspring. This affirms God designed marriage between a man and a woman. Not between two women or two men. ~ God loves divorcees but hates divorce. ~ We have wearied Him because we have said everyone who is practicing evil is okay and, as we say today, God is so full of grace He doesn’t mind if we continue to practice sin."

Edited July 19, 2020 by vic66

[Alive]

On 7/17/2020 at 4:22 PM, Josheb said:

The first marriage was the Godhead. 

As a product of His character, God created creation in an inherently relational manner. In so doing He created creatures bearing His image and He did so dividing that image diversely between male and female (Gen. 1:27), and He did so initiating a covenant from the very beginning: be fruitful, subdue and rule the earth, and obey Me.

And, as we all know, that did not last. The first adultery was cheating on God. Adam chose himself, and his wife, over obedience to God. This one act is at the root of all sin, the root of all idolatry. The idol of self. The worship of the created creature over the worship of the Creator. It takes many forms, such as the worship of graven images, but fundamentally it can be reduced to and understood as the worship of the created over the Creator.  

And this is how and why scripture repeatedly makes associations between adultery and idolatry. The act of worshiping idols is a loss of covenant worship of the Creator, and the act of adultery is a loss of covenant relationship with spouse and God. Remember that a marriage is the joining of three parties, not two. Lover, loved, and witness. Those of us married in the Church spoke vows to our spouses but we also made promises to both the audience in attendance and the clergy person officiating the ceremony. The priest/minister/pastor is standing on that stage with us as the agent of God. We promise to God we will love this other person regardless of the circumstances of life. The congregation s asked to support the couple throughout their marriage. Few congregants take their promise seriously but they have made vows, too. These people are God's agents of love and support and accountability for that couple. This is alluded to throughout the scripture but one of the most obvious inferences is in Ecclesiasts. 

Ecclesiastes 4:4-12
"I have seen that every labor and every skill which is done is the result of rivalry between a man and his neighbor. This too is vanity and striving after wind.  The fool folds his hands and consumes his own flesh.  One hand full of rest is better than two fists full of labor and striving after wind.  Then I looked again at vanity under the sun.  There was a certain man without a dependent, having neither a son nor a brother, yet there was no end to all his labor. Indeed, his eyes were not satisfied with riches and he never asked, 'And for whom am I laboring and depriving myself of pleasure?' This too is vanity and it is a grievous task.  Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor.  For if either of them falls, the one will lift up his companion. But woe to the one who falls when there is not another to lift him up.  Furthermore, if two lie down together they keep warm, but how can one be warm alone?  And if one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three strands is not quickly torn apart."

A marriage that is consciously covenanted with Christ as a constituent component is much stronger than one enjoined for selfish reasons, and all the more so than a marriage enjoined for selfish reasons ignorant of the promises made in the ceremony. The latter is not properly called a marriage; it is a marriage in name only. Those people who marry for selfish reasons in ignorance and neglect of their vows are idolatrous selfish adulterers of a false covenant and unless that changes not only will that marriage not last but we should have no expectation that it will! 

Sadly, too many Christians train their sons and daughters to that end . 

When Jesus spoke of sexual immorality as the exception to divorce he did not specify sexual intercourse. No, Jesus expanded the concept of sexual immorality to looking upon a woman with lust. That makes most of us men and many of the women reading this post adulterers . In modern times we have both exposure and access to sexually immoral content far beyond that found in the first century Israel (thought perhaps not as bad as it was in ancient Corinth, Ephesus, or Rome). We can't walk past a magazine rack without seeing teen-aged young women made up to look like older women. Pornography of enormous diversity is within a few mouse clicks away and subtler images such as sports team cheerleaders or even female athletes can be lusted over simply by turning on ESPN. many of the men I counsel are literally dumb-founded to learn their wives are horrified to learn their husbands view pornography. These men are incredulous when hearing their wives describe it as adultery. 

There is no end to what qualifies as infidelity. The man or woman who has sent and/or received naked pictures denies committing adultery simply because s/he didn't actually have intercourse. Only after the behaviors are reframed using the word "infidelity" as an act of faithlessness to spouse, faithlessness to the marriage covenant, faithlessness to God, can the person see it for what it is. Even upon seeing most replay the drama of Genesis 3 and scapegoat the offended spouse. 

It can all be reduced to the idolizing of the self. 

 

Any view on marriage, divorce, and remarriage that doesn't take into consideration what I've just posted is incomplete. Marriage is a temporal expression of a divine relationship and adultery is temporally comparable to idolatry. The laws asserted by God pertaining to both marriage and divorce testify to Christ... Christ crucified and resurrected. 

 

 

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I see the truth in this, @Josheb. I believe that the Lord wants to sett many folks free with the Truth of Christ's full Redemption.

[BeauJangles]

1 minute ago, Josheb said:

God divorced Israel. 

It depends on how one would understand that certain covenants were severed from God and some were still kept in tact. Some covenants were broken by circumstantial and situational means. However, God's promise to Abraham has not and will not be severed or made into an annulment. Let's consider it more like a temporal separation. These links are in alignment with pro Judaic Christian theology. 

 

Did God Divorce the Nation of Israel? - My Theology Blog

lee-stephen.github.io/blog/2014/06/11/did-god-divorce-the-nation-of-israel

No, God did not divorce the nation of Israel, but as the Scriptures show, God has only temporarily withdrawn Himself from them. A time is coming when once again God will renew His vows with her and He will say, “I will take you to be my wife forever. I will take you to be My wife in righteousness, justice, love, and compassion.

God’s Divorce and Remarriage And The Restoration of Israel ...

https://www.douglashamp.com/gods-divorce-and...

God ’s Divorce and Remarriage And The Restoration of Israel Through the New Covenant A Study of God’s Marriage to Israel under the First Covenant, at Sinai, Their Divorce Due to Israel’s Adultery, And their Restoration Under the New Covenant Established by Yeshua/Jesus.

Did God Divorce His Own? - Jesus-is-Savior.com

www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/god-divorce_israel.htm

God divorced the NATION of Israel (as termination of a business agreement); but NOT His children (saved Jews). God never forsakes His own (Hebrews 13:5). Because of Israel's rebellion, God instead decided to turn to the Gentiles to do His business of preaching the Gospel (and they did); but God never divorced His own.

[vic66]

6 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

It depends on how one would understand that certain covenants were severed from God and some were still kept in tact. Some covenants were broken by circumstantial and situational means. However, God's promise to Abraham has not and will not be severed or made into an annulment. Let's consider it more like a temporal separation. These links are in alignment with pro Judaic Christian theology. 

 

Did God Divorce the Nation of Israel? - My Theology Blog

lee-stephen.github.io/blog/2014/06/11/did-god-divorce-the-nation-of-israel

No, God did not divorce the nation of Israel, but as the Scriptures show, God has only temporarily withdrawn Himself from them. A time is coming when once again God will renew His vows with her and He will say, “I will take you to be my wife forever. I will take you to be My wife in righteousness, justice, love, and compassion.

God’s Divorce and Remarriage And The Restoration of Israel ...

https://www.douglashamp.com/gods-divorce-and...

God ’s Divorce and Remarriage And The Restoration of Israel Through the New Covenant A Study of God’s Marriage to Israel under the First Covenant, at Sinai, Their Divorce Due to Israel’s Adultery, And their Restoration Under the New Covenant Established by Yeshua/Jesus.

Did God Divorce His Own? - Jesus-is-Savior.com

www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/god-divorce_israel.htm

God divorced the NATION of Israel (as termination of a business agreement); but NOT His children (saved Jews). God never forsakes His own (Hebrews 13:5). Because of Israel's rebellion, God instead decided to turn to the Gentiles to do His business of preaching the Gospel (and they did); but God never divorced His own.

For once we can agree as God was with Israel so God wants married couple to be now long suffering, patience and with the love of christ.

Douglas Hamp cover a few things I question.

Edited July 19, 2020 by vic66

[BeauJangles]

43 minutes ago, vic66 said:

For once we can agree 

Well, alright! That's good to hear, vic66. Here I had about lost all hope in you. This is wonderful. As my good friend ChickenCoop says, "I love it when people agree with me because it means more are correct."