divorce and remarriage cancer worse than corona

[Exegesis]

On 7/10/2020 at 3:43 PM, vic66 said:

this thread in about divorce and remarriage and a person continuing it the state of adultery will pervent them getting to heaven

one off taxes incorrect payment can be corrected (by making restitution if possible)  

continuous state of unrepentant adultery far more serious and dangerous before God.

You have yet to provide evidence, textually, that says a person who remarries is in a continual state of adultery.  Show biblical proof for that.  Divorce is not always wrong and it is certainly not unforgivable.  Neither is adultery.  If I am married, and the other person divorces me, for whatever reason, I am under no obligation to remain unmarried, whether that other person lives or dies.

You are saying, without putting it into actual words, that divorce and/or marriage are unforgivable sins.  And you base that on no biblical standard, because there is only one unforgivable sin in the Bible.   I'm waiting for textual proof. 

[Justin Adams]

18 minutes ago, Exegesis said:

That's a clear sign of someone who is looking out, at other peoples perceived actions in regards to their relationship with Christ, and not inwards and focusing on what they themself still need to work on.

Well reasoned comments. Balance is what is needed and compassion. We are all in the same boat, and if some want to jump off that is their choice - but they shouldn't make others 'walk the plank'.

[vic66]

10 hours ago, Exegesis said:

You have yet to provide evidence, textually, that says a person who remarries is in a continual state of adultery.  Show biblical proof for that.  Divorce is not always wrong and it is certainly not unforgivable.  Neither is adultery.  If I am married, and the other person divorces me, for whatever reason, I am under no obligation to remain unmarried, whether that other person lives or dies.

You are saying, without putting it into actual words, that divorce and/or marriage are unforgivable sins.  And you base that on no biblical standard, because there is only one unforgivable sin in the Bible.   I'm waiting for textual proof. 

What does God say can end a marriage?

God clearly says that the death of one of the marriage partners ends their marriage and frees them to marry another person. “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man..” (Romans 7:3) , Jesus also said that death ends a marriage in His response to the Sadducees. “And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven'” Mark 12:24,25. We see from these verses that marriage is ended at death because it does not continue into eternity. In I Corinthians 7:39 God also says: “The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.”

Death is the only thing that I could find that God says ends a marriage so that the person is free to marry another person.

What does the “exception clause” mean?

There are two “exception clauses” on divorce in Matthew. One of the first things that I noticed is that they do not address the same thing. It is often implied that both “exception clauses” give permission for remarriage. The exception clause in Matthew 5:32 does not give an exception allowing remarriage. The exception only applies to whether the person initiating the divorce is responsible for causing their spouse to commit adultery. That exception does not permit divorce or remarriage. The last part of the verse, “and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery” removes any question that this exception clause allows remarriage after divorce. Matthew 5:32 states: “But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”

The second “exception clause” is in Matthew 19:9. Here Jesus says: “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. I discovered that modern translators have altered this verse to make it say something totally different than what Jesus originally said. The NIV (and most modern translations) reads totally different than the KJV. The first major change in the NIV is the incorrect twisting of the “translation” of the Greek word pornea as “marital unfaithfulness.” By changing the meaning of pornea, the NIV opens wide the gate for divorce and remarriage in every divorce situation. In every divorce case at least one spouse is maritally unfaithful to their spouse. The very act of one spouse divorcing their mate is a serious act of marital unfaithfulness. In many divorce cases both spouses view the other as being maritally unfaithful in some way. Therefore, the NIV wrongly gives permission for at least one spouse to get remarried in every divorce situation!

The second major change to this passage is modern translations that remove of the last third of the verse, the phrase: “and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. ” It is wrong to remove words of Jesus from the Bible. This error has led many men and women into the sin of adultery, thinking that it was permissible to remarry. The Church can make changes in the version of the Word of God that it uses, but it can not change the true Word of God that Jesus will use to define sin on Judgment Day.

Divorce and remarriage was common in the Roman Empire in New Testament times and the centuries following; however, I was not able to find this “exception clause” in Matthew 19:9 in any of the writings of the early Christians in the first 300 years A.D. The early Christians always quoted Matthew 5:32, but never the reading we have in Matthew 19:9. I found this significant, because these men, speaking for the early Church did not understand Jesus to be giving an allowance for remarriage after divorce.

To translate the phrase “except for fornication” as “except for adultery”, giving adultery as grounds for divorce and remarriage has some problems. If a man’s wife committed adultery, how would her adultery keep him from committing adultery if he divorced her and remarried? Or to ask the question another way, is there any teaching or example in the Bible that would indicate that adultery by one marriage partner ends their marriage and makes them single again in God’s eyes? I have not found any Scriptural teaching or example where adultery ended a marriage, unless the spouse committing adultery was stoned. If he or she was stoned to death, that would end the marriage. Jesus’ words immediately following this exception clause make it clear that He was not giving permission to remarry after adultery. “And whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery” (He gave no exception). God considers the first marriage to be still valid even after a legal divorce and remarriage.

What then does the “exception clause” mean? Jesus was speaking to Jewish men, the Pharisees, in response to their question when He spoke these words in Matthew 19:9. Jesus said “Except it be for fornication and shall marry another.” Fornication is sexual relations with another unmarried person before one is married. The Jews required a man to write a certificate of divorce to end an engagement. We see this illustrated in the story of Joseph and Mary. Joseph believed that Mary had committed fornication with someone else and was planning to divorce her even though they were not yet married, when God stopped him. ( Matthew 1:19,20)

What Jesus said to these Jewish men, the Pharisees, in Matthew 19:9 is that divorce and remarriage is sin unless the divorce occurred in the engagement period. Even then the engagement could only be broken if the fiancée committed fornication with another person. Jesus said that if the man divorced his fiancée in the engagement period before marriage occurs, then it is permissible for him to marry another. The exception only applied to the Jewish custom requiring divorce to break an engagement. I could not find any evidence that the Roman law or custom required a certificate of divorce to break an engagement. We do not find the Matthew 19:9 “exception clause” repeated any other place in the Scriptures.

The teaching of the Rabbis in Jesus’ day

To correctly understand Jesus’ response to the Pharisees in Matthew 19, we need to understand the broader context and what positions the Jews had on divorce and remarriage in Jesus’ day. The Pharisees were testing Jesus to see which rabbinical school of thought Jesus would side with. The Roman society around them allowed divorce for any reason. In the Oral Torah, which the Jews in Jesus’ day held equal to the Old Testament Scriptures, is found three explanations (schools of thought) of what Moses meant as grounds for divorce. Usually it is stated that there were two schools of thought in Jesus’ day, but when I researched it in the Mishnah (The Oral Torah) I found there were three schools of thought. The third school of thought was “no fault” divorce – Rabbi Akiba

The positions of the following three rabbis are found in the Mishnah, Gittin p. 90a, 90b:

1. Beth Shammai – If he has found her guilty of some unseemly conduct. (Divorce is allowed in the case of adultery)
2. Beth Hillel – even if she has merely spoiled his food. (Divorce is allowed for any reason)
3. Rabbi Akiba – even if he finds another woman more beautiful than she is. (No fault divorce)

The Pharisees were questioning Jesus to see which explanation Jesus would side with. They asked Jesus if divorce was lawful for “any reason”. The disciple’s response clearly indicates that in Jesus’ response He did not side with any of the rabbis’ explanations in the Oral Torah. Jesus’ exception for divorce was much narrower than “marital unfaithfulness” (NIV). The response of the disciples tells us that Jesus’ response to the Pharisees did not support any of the schools of thought in the Oral Torah. “His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.” Matthew 19:10. Jesus’ response to the Pharisees also tells us that He did not side with any of the Rabbis interpretations of Deuteronomy 24:1-4 in the Oral Torah. He said that the permission allowing divorce and remarriage had never been God’s will. “From the beginning it was not so.”

How divorce among Christians is disobedience to God’s command not to take a believer to court.

1Corinthians 6:1-11 “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

How Divorce Removes One From Fellowship With God –The need for Forgiveness and Reconciliation

God tells us that divorce removes one from fellowship with Him. In Malachi 2:13 He says, “And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand. 14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.”

In a divorce situation there is a lot of hurt, anger, and bitterness that occurs between the couple, the children, the extended families of the couple (their parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, and cousins) and friends. These deep wounds of a divorce affects those impacted by the divorce for the rest of their lives. God makes it clear that these wrongs and offenses need to be repented of and reconciliation needs to occur.

Matthew 5:23,24 “Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.”

God also makes it clear that one needs to forgive any offenses that the other spouse has committed. All bitterness, anger, and hatred need to be repented of and put away. This is what God says:

Mark. 11:25,26″ And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.” (The last sentence has been removed in the NIV!)

Matthew 6:14,15 “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

Matthew 18:35 “So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.” (“his trespasses” has been removed in the NIV. Immediately following this verse is Jesus teaching on divorce and remarriage.)

I John 2:9-11 “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.”

I John 4:20,21 “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”

To put this verse in the context of divorce, if a person does not love their husband or wife whom they have seen, how can they love God whom they have not seen?

www.biblicalresearchreports.com/divorce-and-remarriage-why-didnt-we-see-this-before/

Edited July 12, 2020 by vic66

[Gideon]

3 minutes ago, vic66 said:

What does God say can end a marriage?

God clearly says that the death of one of the marriage partners ends their marriage and frees them to marry another person. “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man..” (Romans 7:3) , Jesus also said that death ends a marriage in His response to the Sadducees. “And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven'” Mark 12:24,25. We see from these verses that marriage is ended at death because it does not continue into eternity. In I Corinthians 7:39 God also says: “The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.”

Death is the only thing that I could find that God says ends a marriage so that the person is free to marry another person.

What does the “exception clause” mean?

There are two “exception clauses” on divorce in Matthew. One of the first things that I noticed is that they do not address the same thing. It is often implied that both “exception clauses” give permission for remarriage. The exception clause in Matthew 5:32 does not give an exception allowing remarriage. The exception only applies to whether the person initiating the divorce is responsible for causing their spouse to commit adultery. That exception does not permit divorce or remarriage. The last part of the verse, “and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery” removes any question that this exception clause allows remarriage after divorce. Matthew 5:32 states: “But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”

The second “exception clause” is in Matthew 19:9. Here Jesus says: “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. I discovered that modern translators have altered this verse to make it say something totally different than what Jesus originally said. The NIV (and most modern translations) reads totally different than the KJV. The first major change in the NIV is the incorrect twisting of the “translation” of the Greek word pornea as “marital unfaithfulness.” By changing the meaning of pornea, the NIV opens wide the gate for divorce and remarriage in every divorce situation. In every divorce case at least one spouse is maritally unfaithful to their spouse. The very act of one spouse divorcing their mate is a serious act of marital unfaithfulness. In many divorce cases both spouses view the other as being maritally unfaithful in some way. Therefore, the NIV wrongly gives permission for at least one spouse to get remarried in every divorce situation!

The second major change to this passage is modern translations that remove of the last third of the verse, the phrase: “and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. ” It is wrong to remove words of Jesus from the Bible. This error has led many men and women into the sin of adultery, thinking that it was permissible to remarry. The Church can make changes in the version of the Word of God that it uses, but it can not change the true Word of God that Jesus will use to define sin on Judgment Day.

Divorce and remarriage was common in the Roman Empire in New Testament times and the centuries following; however, I was not able to find this “exception clause” in Matthew 19:9 in any of the writings of the early Christians in the first 300 years A.D. The early Christians always quoted Matthew 5:32, but never the reading we have in Matthew 19:9. I found this significant, because these men, speaking for the early Church did not understand Jesus to be giving an allowance for remarriage after divorce.

To translate the phrase “except for fornication” as “except for adultery”, giving adultery as grounds for divorce and remarriage has some problems. If a man’s wife committed adultery, how would her adultery keep him from committing adultery if he divorced her and remarried? Or to ask the question another way, is there any teaching or example in the Bible that would indicate that adultery by one marriage partner ends their marriage and makes them single again in God’s eyes? I have not found any Scriptural teaching or example where adultery ended a marriage, unless the spouse committing adultery was stoned. If he or she was stoned to death, that would end the marriage. Jesus’ words immediately following this exception clause make it clear that He was not giving permission to remarry after adultery. “And whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery” (He gave no exception). God considers the first marriage to be still valid even after a legal divorce and remarriage.

What then does the “exception clause” mean? Jesus was speaking to Jewish men, the Pharisees, in response to their question when He spoke these words in Matthew 19:9. Jesus said “Except it be for fornication and shall marry another.” Fornication is sexual relations with another unmarried person before one is married. The Jews required a man to write a certificate of divorce to end an engagement. We see this illustrated in the story of Joseph and Mary. Joseph believed that Mary had committed fornication with someone else and was planning to divorce her even though they were not yet married, when God stopped him. ( Matthew 1:19,20)

What Jesus said to these Jewish men, the Pharisees, in Matthew 19:9 is that divorce and remarriage is sin unless the divorce occurred in the engagement period. Even then the engagement could only be broken if the fiancée committed fornication with another person. Jesus said that if the man divorced his fiancée in the engagement period before marriage occurs, then it is permissible for him to marry another. The exception only applied to the Jewish custom requiring divorce to break an engagement. I could not find any evidence that the Roman law or custom required a certificate of divorce to break an engagement. We do not find the Matthew 19:9 “exception clause” repeated any other place in the Scriptures.

The teaching of the Rabbis in Jesus’ day

To correctly understand Jesus’ response to the Pharisees in Matthew 19, we need to understand the broader context and what positions the Jews had on divorce and remarriage in Jesus’ day. The Pharisees were testing Jesus to see which rabbinical school of thought Jesus would side with. The Roman society around them allowed divorce for any reason. In the Oral Torah, which the Jews in Jesus’ day held equal to the Old Testament Scriptures, is found three explanations (schools of thought) of what Moses meant as grounds for divorce. Usually it is stated that there were two schools of thought in Jesus’ day, but when I researched it in the Mishnah (The Oral Torah) I found there were three schools of thought. The third school of thought was “no fault” divorce – Rabbi Akiba

The positions of the following three rabbis are found in the Mishnah, Gittin p. 90a, 90b:

1. Beth Shammai – If he has found her guilty of some unseemly conduct. (Divorce is allowed in the case of adultery)
2. Beth Hillel – even if she has merely spoiled his food. (Divorce is allowed for any reason)
3. Rabbi Akiba – even if he finds another woman more beautiful than she is. (No fault divorce)

The Pharisees were questioning Jesus to see which explanation Jesus would side with. They asked Jesus if divorce was lawful for “any reason”. The disciple’s response clearly indicates that in Jesus’ response He did not side with any of the rabbis’ explanations in the Oral Torah. Jesus’ exception for divorce was much narrower than “marital unfaithfulness” (NIV). The response of the disciples tells us that Jesus’ response to the Pharisees did not support any of the schools of thought in the Oral Torah. “His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.” Matthew 19:10. Jesus’ response to the Pharisees also tells us that He did not side with any of the Rabbis interpretations of Deuteronomy 24:1-4 in the Oral Torah. He said that the permission allowing divorce and remarriage had never been God’s will. “From the beginning it was not so.”

How divorce among Christians is disobedience to God’s command not to take a believer to court.

1Corinthians 6:1-11 “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

How Divorce Removes One From Fellowship With God –The need for Forgiveness and Reconciliation

God tells us that divorce removes one from fellowship with Him. In Malachi 2:13 He says, “And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand. 14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.”

In a divorce situation there is a lot of hurt, anger, and bitterness that occurs between the couple, the children, the extended families of the couple (their parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, and cousins) and friends. These deep wounds of a divorce affects those impacted by the divorce for the rest of their lives. God makes it clear that these wrongs and offenses need to be repented of and reconciliation needs to occur.

Matthew 5:23,24 “Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.”

God also makes it clear that one needs to forgive any offenses that the other spouse has committed. All bitterness, anger, and hatred need to be repented of and put away. This is what God says:

Mark. 11:25,26″ And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.” (The last sentence has been removed in the NIV!)

Matthew 6:14,15 “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

Matthew 18:35 “So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.” (“his trespasses” has been removed in the NIV. Immediately following this verse is Jesus teaching on divorce and remarriage.)

I John 2:9-11 “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.”

I John 4:20,21 “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”

To put this verse in the context of divorce, if a person does not love their husband or wife whom they have seen, how can they love God whom they have not seen?

Your last statement is  a sad and twisted attempt to bolster your argument. For many reasons, a man or woman cn stop loving their spouse. It happens. Does this mean divorce them? Not at all. Work at it. Pray. Get counseling. God hates divorce. 

However, to try to put the ultimate guilt upon them that they then do not really love the Lord is not only wrong, but mean.  

Gids

[vic66]

21 minutes ago, Gideon said:

Your last statement is  a sad and twisted attempt to bolster your argument. For many reasons, a man or woman cn stop loving their spouse. It happens. Does this mean divorce them? Not at all. Work at it. Pray. Get counseling. God hates divorce. 

However, to try to put the ultimate guilt upon them that they then do not really love the Lord is not only wrong, but mean.  

Gids

Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators and adulterers God will judge

if you love me(Christ)then keep my commandments

if people really love Christ they will put away their second sinful / wrongful marriage. no matter what the cost.

your problem is with Christ and his word!

John 12:25
Whoever loves his life will lose it, but whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life

Edited July 12, 2020 by vic66

[Marathoner]

Unbelief is the cancer of this age, not divorce nor the coronavirus. This can be seen in the scripture as recorded in the Gospels when the Word made flesh revealed Himself to men. The 8th chapter of John sums it up: men judge according to this flesh whereas the Son of God does not. This is exemplified in the example of the woman caught in the act of adultery. 

The scribes and the Pharisees would have her executed but the Lord of Hosts, the One whom Joshua submitted to and I AM who gave the Law to Moses, had mercy on her instead. As Justin Adams pointed out the Lord wrote in the sand of the Temple not once but twice and while what He wrote wasn't explicitly revealed, the content is implied because her accusers were stricken by their consciences and left one by one. When only Christ and the woman remained there was no one present to accuse her. The Lord who knows the secrets of our hearts released her. 

We who are ignorant of such things should take heed lest we find ourselves looking toward those things which are outward; that is, appearances and what we deem as propriety. This is indicative of unbelief as demonstrated by the scribes and the Pharisees: they possessed the Law and so they executed judgment according to what was right in their own eyes. They lacked mercy in abundance which is a fruit of this corruptible flesh, proof of a form of godliness which only concerns itself with outward appearances. 

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

Your last statement is  a sad and twisted attempt to bolster your argument. For many reasons, a man or woman cn stop loving their spouse. It happens. Does this mean divorce them? Not at all. Work at it. Pray. Get counseling. God hates divorce. 

However, to try to put the ultimate guilt upon them that they then do not really love the Lord is not only wrong, but mean.  

Gids

Actually, the unfortunate circumstance of cherry picking certain aspects of taking from Mosaic Law and applying them into modern Christianity are what kills it with dire erroneous bondages. Becoming indebted to the Law makes one obligated to the entirety of it. When you do this and are guilty of one adherence of following it, you are a violator of all of it.  

Nothing wrong with being kosher for dietary health concerns, or honoring the holy days in observance to the Lord. I'm not speaking of this. What I'm saying here is that certain denominational churches do this for dogmatic and legalistic reasoning. It's tragic to place congregants into boxes of odd control issues. I believe I've said enough here. 

James 2:10 KJV ¹⁰For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

P.S. Okay, I had to add an edit in for this inclusion. I'm sure it's alright to mention it. Well, I hope so. There is also nothing wrong to also observe and practice let's just say, a bris. This would be for a sign and it's scientifically proven as a health benefit later on in a marital situation. A spouse's chances are far less possible for certain cancers in a woman's personal regioneous areas. I'm sure most know what I'm saying. 

Edited July 12, 2020 by BeauJangles

[Exegesis]

13 hours ago, vic66 said:

To put this verse in the context of divorce, if a person does not love their husband or wife whom they have seen, how can they love God whom they have not seen?

www.biblicalresearchreports.com/divorce-and-remarriage-why-didnt-we-see-this-before/

Long-winded.  Self-righteous, but it isn't what I asked for.  I'll try again:

You have yet to provide evidence, textually, that says a person who remarries is in a continual state of adultery.  Show biblical proof for that.  Divorce is not always wrong and it is certainly not unforgivable.  Neither is adultery.  If I am married, and the other person divorces me, for whatever reason, I am under no obligation to remain unmarried, whether that other person lives or dies.  

You are saying, without putting it into actual words, that divorce and/or marriage are unforgivable sins.  And you base that on no biblical standard, because there is only one unforgivable sin in the Bible.   I'm waiting for textual proof. 

You are cherry-picking, and this is by no means good, or accurate exegesis.  You are also clearly saying that God punishes one person for the supposed sins of another.  We know that is false.

[SisterWells]

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Edited July 13, 2020 by SisterWells

[vic66]

7 hours ago, SisterWells said:

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11 hours ago, Exegesis said:

Long-winded.  Self-righteous, but it isn't what I asked for.  I'll try again:

You have yet to provide evidence, textually, that says a person who remarries is in a continual state of adultery.  Show biblical proof for that.  Divorce is not always wrong and it is certainly not unforgivable.  Neither is adultery.  If I am married, and the other person divorces me, for whatever reason, I am under no obligation to remain unmarried, whether that other person lives or dies.  

You are saying, without putting it into actual words, that divorce and/or marriage are unforgivable sins.  And you base that on no biblical standard, because there is only one unforgivable sin in the Bible.   I'm waiting for textual proof. 

You are cherry-picking, and this is by no means good, or accurate exegesis.  You are also clearly saying that God punishes one person for the supposed sins of another.  We know that is false.

GENESIS 2:21-24
21 And Yahweh God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place:
22 And the rib, which Yahweh God had taken from man, he made a woman, and brought her to the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cling to his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

MATTHEW 19:3-9
3 The Pharisees also came to him, tempting him, and saying to him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said to them, Have you not read, that he who made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cling to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh?
6 Therefore they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, do not let man separate¹.
7 They say to him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement?
8 He says unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her who is put away commits adultery.

 

Mark 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.

² And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.

³ And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?

⁴ And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.

⁵ And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.

⁶ But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

⁷ For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

⁸ And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

⁹ What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

¹⁰ And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.

¹¹ And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

¹² And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luke 16:18 
“Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery." 

1 Corinthians 7:39 kjv
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Roman 7

² For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

³ So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

 

Mal

14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by vic66