The Pre Tribulation Raptured Church

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

1 Thessalonians 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

1 Thessalonians 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit.


                       HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT POINT AND UNTIL YOU GET THIS

                                                       YOU GET NO MORE GODS TRUTH

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I CAN'T WAIT TO LEARN MORE.  
 

" Please - take the time to read the whole post "..... (my comment..... Joe Canada)

 

Hi DeighAnn....

This was a long-winded response......but VERY good. When it's laid out in this manner, the picture becomes clear (er).

I'm afraid many will not take the time to read it in its entirety......too bad!....They will just gloss it over because they "know" the scripture, but no matter how many times I've read some scripture in the past, just one more reading is all it takes sometimes for the Holy Spirit to reveal a new truth to me.... 

I've been away from commenting on this forum since Feb, although I have been reading many topics and comments. 

I thought what you wrote was very much worth commenting on.

Well said sister!

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

God takes the Second Coming, which is AFTER the Harlot is judged, no doubt (Harlot judged just after the 1260....Second Coming is 1260 days later)

  I thought judgement didn't come until after death.  Are you saying that pre trib Christ comes with a rod of Iron.  Or does Christ come before during and after?  So hard to keep tract the way you tell it.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Because you don't understand the way it was written sister.

You sound so very sure, yet you believe in the Rapture Theory.  We can never read it the same way because of that division alone.  I know for sure we agree on the 2nd coming of Christ.  So you agree with what I believe and know what I believe to be truth.  You just don't like the order as I have us being tested, something God tells us HE DOES and HE SETS FORTH. 
Who said "Surely ye shall not die"?  That's right, the Theory.  The Rapture Theory tells you straight out, "Surely ye shall not die"  that ALONE tells me where it comes from.  No harvest talk or 70th week talk can change that.   

Wonder who placed that division between us?  

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Are you Abrahams seed?  you know of Israel?  

[DeighAnn]

30 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

This was a long-winded response...

Thank you for the comments. I appreciate it.  For me it seems the more I try to make them shorter, the longer they get.  I figure in the end,  when God sends someone who is searching for HIS truth, with all the confusion they have to wade through,  that getting to something that just breaks it down as written,( less commentary more of Gods Word), it comes as a relief. 

I have been told this on quite a number of occasions too much for the attention but that is how I learn as so maybe others do too.  I know it is just for a few but I am good with that.  And you wouldn't believe how much I cut away before posting!

AND YES, no matter how many times I read the same thing I am amazed at how much I miss.  All in Gods time..... 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Look, you just made me start crying.   Not the BS kind of crying but the O GOD, O GOD,  O GOD  I am praying for you kind.  

You really need to stop posting

and start praying for some guidance from the Holy Spirit, then keep still for a bit.  And listen.  

You need to get back INTO THE WORD, and LET IT SPEAK to you.  NO, not literally hearing a voice, but without any preconceived ideas about what is being given.  You are missing some very very very important truths. 

You need the wisdom and knowledge that can only be found there in the OT.  If we were allowed to do so I would bet you have never studied the OLD because you still don't realize it is written TO YOU, personally, from God.  No, not saying you haven't read over it, just not read with understanding.  How many times did Jesus ask "have you not read"  it applies today as it applied when he said it.  You can bet it will be asked again. 

You are basing what you say on words with no knowledge and coming to an erroneous conclusion predicated on that fact. You are going down a very dangerous path.  As a watchman, I have got to give you warning and so I am.  

What you are really telling the readers is this: your English reading perception is lacking.  I get that. 
And your conclusion comes simply because you disagree. Did you ever stop to think that it is YOUR perception that is in error? 

Perhaps then, it is you who needs to stop posting. If you have noticed, I have disagreed with almost every point you have made. 

By the way, many very good bible teachers think the theory that fallen angels bred with humans is a myth. I agree with them.  I guess you have not noticed that I stick VERY CLOSE to what is written. 

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

THIS IS by far the most scary thing you have said.  YOU REALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN.  I'll do a verse by verse with you and see where we diverge.  

Normal lives, I got rendered speechless and put in whaaaaatttttt??????????

I am amazed I have to look this up for you.  Luke 17:

²⁸ Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

²⁹ But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

³⁰ Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Notice the last phrase: "even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. " HOW Luke? HOW will it be?

They will just living normal lives - the way humans do: "they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;  is this not just living normal human lives? That is what Jesus is telling us. They had NO IDEA when they got up that morning it would be their last.  As soon as Lot was out of the city, fire and brimstone destroyed them all. 

See how simple this is if we just read and understand? It is going to be the same way when Jesus comes for the rapture: people will be living NORMAL lives - without a clue that one day it is the age of grace, but the next day will be the start of God's wrath.

What do people NORMALLY do? They eat! They drink! They buy! They sell! That is what Jesus is telling us. 

Back up a verse and read about Noah:

²⁷ They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Again, what do NORMAL PEOPLE DO on a NORMAL day? They EAT! They DRINK! They get married! But they got up on a very normal day and did live out that day - they all drowned.  What is Jesus' message? NO  WARNING. That is the message. Things will change SUDDENLY when Jesus comes - and He will come as a thief - NO WARNING.

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHY ENGLISH ISN'T THE LANGUAGE IT WAS WRITTEN IN.  

BUT LET ME ASK YOU

Were there fallen angels in the days of Noah? 

Will Satan and his angels have kicked out of heaven and be on earth when Christ returns?

 

all that wisdom of man.  pinky and toe. 
Wisdom of God, like circumstances, like times.  

still not "suddenly" though I don't know why suddenly is so important to you,

You KNOW WHO WAS PREACHING ABOUT IT IN THOSE DAYS?  AND HOW IT PLEASED GOD?  SO MUCH THAT HE WALKED WITH GOD.  

NO, NO SUDDENLY.  

Question: why would YOU bring up fallen angels when Jesus did not? Evidently they did not figure in what Jesus was saying.

If people wake up one morning thinking this day will be like all their previous days, but they all die before the day is out - is that not "suddenly?" Anyway I get "suddenly" from Paul's "sudden" destruction.  It is a coming of our Lord. Paul CALLS it a coming - but it is only to the air. But make no mistake, it is going to be a SUDDENLY! With no warning, SUDDENLY the dead in Christ will fly up out of their graves and Paul's rapture passage will take place. It will be a day just like today, when people are thinking peace and safety. 

To answer your question: Yes, Satan and the angels will be kicked down from their "high places" at the midpoint of the 70th week. Jesus will come some UNKNOWN time over 3 1/2 years later.  And as is recorded, Satan will be very angry knowing he has only a short time.

[DeighAnn]

59 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I am amazed I have to look this up for you.  Luke 17:

²⁸ Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

²⁹ But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

³⁰ Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Notice the last phrase: "even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. " HOW Luke? HOW will it be?

They will just living normal lives - the way humans do: "they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;  is this not just living normal human lives? That is what Jesus is telling us. They had NO IDEA when they got up that morning it would be their last.  As soon as Lot was out of the city, fire and brimstone destroyed them all. 

See how simple this is if we just read and understand? It is going to be the same way when Jesus comes for the rapture: people will be living NORMAL lives - without a clue that one day it is the age of grace, but the next day will be the start of God's wrath.

What do people NORMALLY do? They eat! They drink! They buy! They sell! That is what Jesus is telling us. 

Back up a verse and read about Noah:

²⁷ They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Again, what do NORMAL PEOPLE DO on a NORMAL day? They EAT! They DRINK! They get married! But they got up on a very normal day and did live out that day - they all drowned.  What is Jesus' message? NO  WARNING. That is the message. Things will change SUDDENLY when Jesus comes - and He will come as a thief - NO WARNING.

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Genesis 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Genesis 18:3 And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Genesis 18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

Genesis 18:5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

Genesis 18:6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

Genesis 18:7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

Genesis 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Genesis 18:9 And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

Genesis 18:10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

Genesis 18:11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

Genesis 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

Genesis 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

Genesis 18:15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

Genesis 18:16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.

Genesis 18:17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Genesis 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Genesis 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

Genesis 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Genesis 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

Genesis 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes:

Genesis 18:28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

Genesis 18:29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

Genesis 18:30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

Genesis 18:31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

Genesis 18:32 And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

Genesis 18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

Chapter Nineteen


Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
Comprenez vous "sodomy"  

Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Genesis 19:14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

Genesis 19:15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

Genesis 19:16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

Genesis 19:17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

Genesis 19:18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD:

Genesis 19:19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

Genesis 19:20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

Genesis 19:21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

Genesis 19:22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

Genesis 19:23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Genesis 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

Genesis 19:27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:

Genesis 19:28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

Genesis 19:29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.


NOW IF THIS SEEMS LIKE EVERYDAY NORMAL BEHAVIOUR TO YOU,  I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

  I DO KNOW HOW GOD FEELS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, HE MAKES IT SUPER CLEAR.  


NEXT

 

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Jude 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


 

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.




yet another subject we have touched on, the difference between the grave, paradise and under darkness that you believe are all one

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.


 

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,





IT JUST CAN'T BE THAT THAT PRE TRIB RAP THEORY GETS LEFT OUT YET ONCE AGAIN. 
AND RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOK OF REVELATION.  HOW IS IT POSSIBLE IT IS NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER MENTIONED IN THE WORD OF GOD???????   WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THE LORD COMETH WITH 10 THOUSANDS OF HIS SAINT TO EXECUTE JUDGMENT UPON ALL, AGAIN.  SO WE NOW KNOW FOR SURE WHEN HE COMES WITH HIS SAINTS IT IS TO EXECUTE JUDGMENT.  YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE BLIND NOT TO SEE IT.  

Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

AND HERE AGAIN, LIKE IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST.  HOW MANY TIMES THAT IS SHOULD BE MENTIONED AND ISN'T BEFORE IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT IT REALLY AND TRULY ISN'T?  HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED TO NOT SEE IT BEFORE YOU BELEIVE IT ISN'T??

Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

SO WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? 


IT WASN'T SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT WARNING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.  




 

[Revelation Man]

17 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

After all  BACK IN
 Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

If  both Babylon is fallen and the whore have been judged, BEFORE this Rev 19 departing,

Yes, Rev. 18:2 is ALL ABOUT Babylon Falling. But Babylon means Satan's Dark Kingdom on this Earth. NOTICE: Satan has been cast out of Heaven and Babylon has become the HABITATION OF DEVILS !!

Rev. 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

The World/Earth is now full of the heavenly Demons who were all cast down at the 1260 Event , and Apollyon and his hordes that were loosed from bottomless pit, so Babylon is Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth, the word Babel as we all know means "confusion" and what better describes that than people who fight their own "CREATOR" ? That is why God calls this world and its inhabitants Babylon, I can prove it via Rev. 16:19....look at who God CALLS BABYLON the Great.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake), and the cities of the nations fell (Babylon): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, who does Jesus DEFEAT at Armageddon ? Well, the 6th Vial tells us.

Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, Jesus DEFEATS the kings of the WHOLE WORLD, and then calls them Babylon the Great in verse 19. Satan DECEIVES Mankind into fighting their own Creator, nothing is more CONFUSING than Mankind hating a loving God who created them, IMHO. Thus God calls this WHOLE WORLD and its INHABITANTS, Babylon/Babel. Babylon FALLS at the Day of the Lord, God's Judgment is a FOREGONE CONCLUSION once it starts its over for Satan and his Dark Kingdom. So, Babylon FALLS at the 1260 event, even though Jesus doesn't come back for 1260 days. Satan is cast down to earth, thus Babylon Falls, God is taking over. The DOTL begins at the 1260, Gods Wrath lasts 3.5 years, then Jesus reigns 1000 years. So, in essence the DOTL lasts 1000 plus 3.5 years.

The book of Revelation is not in Chronological Order. 

Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in all His ETERNAL GLORY. Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church Age we are now living in.

Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church as seen n Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened. Rev. 6 is Jesus opening up the Seals, no Judgment comes from the Seals, its only Jesus prophesying what is coming is about to befall Mankind as soon as the Trumpet Judgments start. The first Four Seals are all showing what the Anti-Christ will do over the coming 42 months of his reign. 1.) Conquers for 42 months. 2.) Takes Peace or brings War for 42 months. 3.) Famine will flourish for his 42 month reign. 4.) Death and Sickness will abound over his 42 month rule. The 5th Seal is the Martyrs he commits over the same 42 month period of time. The 6th Seal is Jesus announcing/prophesying about God's coming Wrath that lasts 42 month also. It will start with the asteroid strike of Rev. chapter 8. The 7th Seal is thus SILENCE because God's Wrath is about to begin. The Seals DO NOTHING, its Just Jesus telling us what is about to befall MANKIND.

Rev. 8 is the Judgment Trumpets where Gods Wrath begins, the Anti-Christ takes advantage of this to Conquer Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, just as Daniel 11:40-43 shows us. The First four Trumps are all the Same Asteroid Strike. IMHO, it will be on April 13, 2029, the asteroid Apophis is scheduled yo come within 20 k miles of the earth on that day. It will hit just off the California Coast if it hits. Thus the 1/3 is the Pacific Ocean and the Americas. Rev. 8:13 says the final three Trumps are the THREE WOES.

Rev. 9 = the First Two Woes. 

Rev. 15&16 ENDS the Judgments of God. It is the FINAL WOE, the Seven Vials are the Final Woe. Thus the 7th Trump = the Seven Vials which = the Third Woe. REMEMBER: Rev. 16:19 = Babylon is DEFEATED !! The Angel says IT IS DONE. 

All the other Chapters are Parenthetical Citation Chapters. They all coincide with the Judgment Chapters of Rev. 8, 9 and 15&16 which are kinda ONE CHAPTER to be honest. 

Rev. 10 is a Flash Forward to the END where time will be no more when the Trump sounds.

Rev. 11 is about the Two-witnesses, NOTHING ELSE. Thus when we see the 2nd Woe spoken about in Rev. 11, its not a REAL TIME EVENT, because we see the 2nd Woe in Rev. 9, and get the DETAILS THERE, that's because Rev. 11 is a part of the other four chapters as per its timing except for one thing, Rev. 11 starts 75 days BEFORE the DOTL arrives, which is the asteroid strike in Rev. 8. Thus it covers the exact same time frame as Rev. 8, 9 and 15&16 save for that 75 days AND the Two-witnesses die 75 days BEFORE the Beast dies, but if you notice, we are still shown the 7th Trump sounding in Rev. 11, BUT the DETAILS of the 3rd Woe are not shown in Rev. 11, just like the Details of the 2nd Woe are not shown, that is because Rev. 11 is AL ABOUT the Two-witnesses, we see the DETAILS of the 3rd Woe in Rev. 16, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe. 

Rev. 12 starts at the EXACT SAME TIME as Rev. 8, the asteroid strike/DOTL.

Rev. 13 starts at the EXACT SAME TIME as Rev. 8 the asteroid strike/DOTL.

Rev. 14 is like Rev. 19, it covers the full 7 years of the 70th week, its the THREE HARVESTS.

Rev. 17 starts at the EXACT SAME TIME (Basically) as Rev. 8, the asteroid strike/DOTL. The Kings/Beast kill off all OTHER RELIGIONS because they DEMAND Beast Worship as the only Religion. Thus the Harlot False Religions are JUDGED !! 

Rev. 18 starts at the EXACT SAME TIME as the Rev. 8 asteroid strike/DOTL. It runs all the way through to Rev. 16:19, where Great Babylon falls. You see, Rev. 8, 9, 15&16 is the JUDGMENT CHAPTERS, all the other Chapters cover this same exact time period. 

Rev. 19 covers the full 7 years like Rev.  14, we g Marry the Lamb and RETURN with Jesus, so YES.....It can be and is both BEFORE and AFTER the Marriage because it covers the full 7 years of he 70th week !!

Rev. 20, 21 and 22 are all of course AFTER the Second Coming. 

What I see sister is you get too caught up in the pronouns and TIMING of things, whereas if God shows us a Parenthetical Chapter that covers 7 years like Rev. 19, you see ONE THING, but not the other, I see BOTH THINGS. The Marriage has not happened yet thus its BEFORE the Seals are opened AND I also see the Second Coming as being AFTER the Rev. 17 Harlot Judgment. That means the Rev. 19 chapter covers the FULL 7 years. We can block out what we don't want to see and receive what we want to see. 

REMEMBER, Rev. 8, 9 and 15&16 are the 42 months of God's Judgment/Wrath. The other chapters are all interspersed within these four chapters. Until we understand that we have no hope in understanding the book of Revelation.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

By the way, many very good bible teachers think the theory that fallen angels bred with humans is a myth. I agree with them.  I guess you have not noticed that I stick VERY CLOSE to what is written. 

I am thinking by now you are realizing that nothing you say is close to WHAT IS WRITTEN.  I am also thinking that those "good" teachers AREN'T. 

ANY ONE who can read Gods words and call them a myth is not a teacher of Gods Word.  
 

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

 

Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

Psalm 33:13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.

Psalm 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

Psalm 33:15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

Psalm 33:16 There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.

Psalm 33:17 An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.

Psalm 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;

Psalm 33:19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.



Enoch, Noahs great grand father how many years separated them 

 

 

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The last Trump is the last Trump as in no other trumps to follow, as in the furtherest one out.  As in the trump of God.  

What happens to a Harvest when it quits raining?

The Last Trump has nothing to do with the Judgment Trumps at all. 

Its about the Feast of Trumps, a Jewish Feast. God shows us the whole history of the world in the 7 Feasts seen in Leviticus ch. 23.

Jesus fulfilled the three Spring Feasts.

1.) Feast of Passover (Jesus' blood covers our sins)

2.) Feast of First-fruits ( Jesus was the first-fruits of the Grave)

3.) Feast of Unleavened Bread ( Jesus was WITHOUT SIN)

 

Summer Harvest 

4.) Feast of Weeks/Pentecost/the Harvest ( We, the Church are now Harvesting souls for Jesus during the Church Age. Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit on Pentecost for a reason. The Feast of Trumps ALWAYS SOUNDED to end the Harvest, did you know that? God gives us PATTERNS & SHADOWS of things to come.  We have to DIG IT OUT)

 

Fall Feasts yet to be fulfilled.

5. Feast of Trumps ( This never did much of anything, except make ANNOUNCEMENTS, when the Trumpet/Shofar blew, that ended the Harvest, and ANNOUNCED that the Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacles were nigh at hand. When Jesus calls us home what does the book of Revelation call it ? We know its called the LAST TRUMP by Paul, but in Rev. 4: 1 its called this !! BELOW:)

Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

6.) Feast of Atonement ( What does the 70th Week Prophecy of Daniel say? That Israel MUST ATONE/Repent before the 70th week can come to pass. It says MUST, there is no doubt, Israel has to repent else the 70th week can not come to pass. Thus as soon as the Church is called home at the "LAST TRUMP" which ends the Harvest/Church Age, then Israel must REPENT/Atone. And we see Israel does that via Malachi 4:5-6, Elijah {Two-witnesses) is sent back to call Israel to repentance BEFORE the DOTL. In Zechariah 13:8-9 we see this happens BEFORE the coming DOTL which starts in Zechariah 14:1-2.  So, Israel ATONES, but only after the Church is Raptured to Heaven. Thus we now know what Paul meant via Romans 11 when he quoted Isaiah saying that ALL Israel will be saved {not every Jew, but Israel as a Nation is preserved} but only when the times of the Gentiles have been FULFILLED.)

7.) Feast of Tabernacle (To tabernacle means to DWELL WITH God, after Israel ATONES/Repents, and then Jesus returns, where does he reign for 1000 years? From Jerusalem !! So, everyone of the 7 Feasts tells us a Story/History of the world via SHADOWS. )

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The Last Trump is talking about the TRUMP that ends the Harvest. The Harvest is the Church Age.