The Pre Tribulation Raptured Church

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1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

No, no church here.  

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and One sat on the throne.

Revelation 4:3 And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
IF I WAS FORCED INTO A GUESS I WOULD SAY THE 24 HERE ARE THE 12 SONS OF JACOB AND THE 12 APOSTLES, BUT THAT IS JUST A GUESS BECAUSE I HAVE TO FACTOR IN ABRAHAM, MOSES, ELIJAH, ENOCH, JACOB, ISSAC, DAVID, SOLOMON, ISAIAH, EZEKIEL, PAUL, JEREMIAH  YOU GET THE PICTURE

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Revelation 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Revelation 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour andpower: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Revelation 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
PROVING GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING AND NOT THE DEAD, SO MANY HAVE SLEPT IN CHRIST, THESE ARE THOSE HE WILL BRING BACK WITH HIM AND THAT IS WHERE  AND WHEN WE WILL MEET  BACK UP WITH THEM AGAIN ON THE LORDS DAY.  

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

WHICH WOULD CERTAINLY COVER THE NUMBER OF THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED over THE LAST 6000 YEARS.  Sands of the sea, stars of the sky, dust of the earth.................

WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF A FEW BILLION MORE in heaven AT THAT TIME ?  A blink of an eye later they are all coming to earth for the millennium,   FOLLOWED BY THE ETERNAL KINGDOM.  

LETS SEE IF I HAVE YOU AND THAT THEORY  CORRECT  

TEN THOUSAND TIMES TEN THOUSAND AND THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS ARE GOING TO LEAVE HEAVEN TO COME TO THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE EARTH

DROPPING OFF 2

PICK UP 2 BILLION MORE

GO BACK TO HEAVEN

WAIT UNTIL THE 2 ARE KILLED

THEN   
THE  TEN THOUSAND TIMES TEN THOUSAND AND THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS PLUS 2 BILLION ARE GOING  TO COME BACK 
 
AND THE LORDS DAY WILL BEGIN.   

CORRECT??

AT THE SAME TIME OR IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS THERE IS A WAR GOING ON IN HEAVEN AND SATAN IS GOING TO BE KICKED OUT TO EARTH,
ALL THE WHILE JESUS REMAINS OUR MEDIATOR, AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD

CORRECT??

EVEN THOUGH until the tribulation is ended THERE WILL BE SERVANTS OF GOD ON earth still  IN THE FIELD serving God.   


HERE IS MY UNDERSTANDING

EVERYONE IN HEAVEN STAYS IN HEAVEN  
EVERYONE ON EARTH STAYS ON EARTH   
THE 2 COME TO EARTH 
THE TRIBULATION HAPPENS, SATAN KICKED DOWN 
THE 2 ARE KILLED
AT WHICH TIME THOSE IN HEAVEN COME TO EARTH FOR THE LORDS DAY FOLLOWED WITH THE ETERNAL KINGDOM.HERE ON EARTH

WHICH IS WHY ON THE LORDS DAY  IT IS NECESSARY FOR THOSE ON EARTH WHO HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE MARK, THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN TO BE CHANGED.  (flesh and blood can not... and that is what is arriving)


ONLY ONE TIME WILL A PEOPLE BE TRANSLATED,  AND THAT IS AT THE LAST SECOND   -  TO END   -  THE AGE.    IT HAS TO HAPPEN THAT WAY AS THERE IS NO OTHER WAY,  EXCEPT ALL ON EARTH DYING WHEN CHRIST RETURNS BECAUSE 

FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. AND THAT KINGDOM IS ARRIVING.  
 

Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Revelation 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Its too late. I will just say you are wrong on every point, as usual. Do you not understand NATURAL people in NATURAL bodies will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom? Flesh and blood cannot inherit HEAVEN. They are BORN on earth so can certainly live here. 

you have totally missed the Author's intent in chapter's 4 & 5. I will give you a hint: their purpose is to set the context of the first seal. 

[Revelation Man]

22 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Israel, do you mean the nation?  OR
Do you mean all the tribes, the sons of Jacob/Israel, or
the House of Israel who were scattered unto the whole world,
of whom Jesus said  in 
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel,

(which had been scattered to the world a few hundred years before). 

The TRIBE OF JUDAH, IN JERUSALEM, REJECTED CHRIST. 

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER 10 TRIBES.  THEY WERE LONG GONE.  BUT you can bet they received Christ as He Himself says He has not lost one except...

So you see the problem with the statement you made?  You seem to think that "the Jews" are all 12 tribes, when they aren't.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

There are NO LOST TRIBES and never were any, this is how people like Armstrong get erroneous notions started and it becomes LEGEND as being the truth, but its just another MISNOMER. Abraham as ONE MAN created all Israel right? So, when the Wicked Northern Kingdoms were toted off by Assyria, and thus God judged the Wicked Kingdoms, there were no doubt some from the tribe of Judah that loved this type of wickedness also and lived in the Northern kingdom, and there were people from ALL TEN TRIBES who lived in Jerusalem because they hated the Northern kingdoms wickedness, thus there was always SEED from every tribe in Jerusalem when the 10 tribes were toted off !! Thus, just as ONE MAN, Abraham brought forth ALL Israel, these people living in Jerusalem kept the SEED of ll Israel in Judah. Thus there were never any lost tribes, that is MEN'S TRADITION shining through again. Ezekiel 37 tells us the story about the Valley of Dry Bones, then tells us about the TWO STICKS becoming ONE STICK. What does that mean? It means that after the 10 tribes were toted off, and the other tribes who lived in Judah, would eventually come to follow the Judean Cultures more than there own, and after Jesus came, died and eventually the Romans sacked Jerusalem and toted the "Jews" off, they actually toted off all 12 tribes who had kinda become ONE NATION via the 12 tribes living in Judah, and then when they were dispersed the world over, everyone simply called them Jews, even though they are ALL TWELVE TRIBES, and the Jews living there now are ALL TWELVE TRIBES. There are no lost tribes and never were !! That is just a wrongheaded legend. 

And yes, the Diaspora scattered all 12 tribes, that is what I just stated. 

Jesus was only sent to the house of Israel. He sent the Disciples to all the world after he died. They were scattered after Jesus died, not before, the problem is you are not understanding that the 10 tribes toted away did not do away with the SEED as you assumed.  So this throws your whole understanding way off kilter. Read he TWO STICKS will become ONE STICK Prophecy in Ezekiel 37. 

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The Church,  by that you mean the seed of Abraham?  

No, I mean what I said, the Church. The Mantle was taken away from Israel and given to the Gentile Church which has some Messianic Jews in it of course. When the time of the Gentiles has COME FULL, we are Raptured to Heaven to Marry the Lamb. Then Israel will be on the clock during the 70th week. They must ATONE/Repent before the 70th week can come to pass. Jesus stated in the final 2 or 3 verses of Matt. 23 that the next time the Jews saw him they would be singing his praises and saying Blessed his he that comes in the name of the Lord. Galatians 3 does not mean what these message board warriors think it means. Go reread it carefully, it means just the opposite of what they think it means. Paul is not saying saying we are ALL ONE in Jesus, via there are no Jews or Gentiles, no more than he is saying there are no MALES or FEMALES !! Its a JUXTAPOSITION hes making, via Males and Females. We know there are bot make and female, so we should know there are both Jew and Gentile, so what was Paul really saying that all the Warriors get wrong? Read the chapter, ITS EVIDENT FOR ALL TO SEE !!

Paul starts off saying Gal. 3:1"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

So what was going on? Well, when we read the whole chapter carefully, we see that some of the Galatians were trying to become GODLY by being like the Jews, seems some of the "Jewish Christian Followers" were telling them, HEY GUYS....You have to keep the Sabbath, you have to Sacrifice in the Morning and Evening, etc. etc. so they were telling them, to be of God you have to be like us !!

Paul is says, Oh you fools, he has deceived you, having started out IN FAITH......You now follow the FLESH and seek to win God's approval, when there is nothing we can do, its all GRACE. Then he goes through how Abraham was justified by FAITH ALONE......WATCH BELOW:

Gal. 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Paul is basically telling these Gentiles that is not about THE LAW its about THE PROMISE.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Thus the next  verse is totally MISCONSTRUED !!

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with God making the Jews and Gentiles ONE........Any more than He made Males and Females ONE. Its an untruth of Satan from the pits of hell. Paul is saying this..........Hey Gentiles, why are you trying to be like the Jews who insist to be Godly you must follow their LAWS & CUSTOMS ? We are all ONE in Jesus by FAITH ALONE, you don't have to become a Jew to be of God !! In God's eyes there is neither Jew nor Greek, Male nor Female.......Its a JUXTAPOSITION, we know there are males and females just like we know there are Jews and Gentiles. What Paul is saying is STOP TRYING TO BE A JEW, stop trying to please God via the Old Testament Jewish Customs (Who has bewitched you).........Paul is telling them just the opposite of what a lot of people are teaching, that the Gentiles have taken over and God has forsaken Israel permanently, the bible says just the opposite. All this was, was Paul telling the Gentiles they do't have to be Jews to be Godly. So, STOP trying to win God's approval via the Jewish Customs. 

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You do not understand what it means. Stop allowing others to inform you what something means and DIG IN YOURSELF. Its obvious.

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I don't know who told you "the mission was complete" but they lied to you.  Straight up lied.  

The "Mission is complete" when we are Raptured........NOT NOW or we wouldn't be here. This Matt. 24:14 is Jesus telling his Disciples that when the Gospel has been spread unto ALL THE WORLD.......THEN.......the end would come (70th week). 

Again, you misconstrue even what I am saying, SLOW DOWN. After the Rapture, before the 70th week our Mission is OVER....PERIOD. The Two-witnesses reach out to Israel and the Angel PREACHES THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. Not the Church. There is a Remnant Church on earth, but she is killed via the Martyrs under the Altar at the 5th Seal. 

Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Our MISSION IS OVER. The Angel now preaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Church is in Heaven.

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

IN PART,

That's the TRUTH  

Meaning that INDIVIDUALS are not Blinded. Israel is the people...........The Nation is BLINDED as an ENTITY.......Paul and Peter were not thus Israel (Jews) were blinded IN PART...........Not in full. The Nation was so Blinded God forsook them. But God does not forsake the INDIVIDUAL MAN. We have Christians in most all countries, be every country is pretty much run by WICKEDNESS. That is the truth.

 

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
WE GOT WORK TO DO

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 THE THINGS PEOPLE WILL LET GO OF TO BACK A THEORY.  

WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO STAND FOR CHRIST? 
WOULD YOU EVEN STAND A CHANCE AT SALVATION IF IT WEREN'T FOR HIM? I WOULDN'T.   

Matthew 24 is not speaking about the 70th week until it gets to verse 15. Jesus speaks about the Gospel being taken unto all the world in verse 14, and THEN THE END COMES. So what does ENDURE MEAN and why does Jesus say it? Well, look verses 9 and 10, Jesus just told the Disciples they would all be killed as Martyrs for him (save John) and then a few verses later he says you must ENDURE TILL THE END. Does o one get that ?

Matt. 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

......THEN......13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

How do people miss the OBVIOUS ? Jesus is telling his Disciples they must ENDURE until the end [of their lives].

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO STAND FOR CHRIST? 
WOULD YOU EVEN STAND A CHANCE AT SALVATION IF IT WEREN'T FOR HIM? I WOULDN'T. 

I will be in Heaven at the time of the 70th week, Marrying the Lamb. 

[Revelation Man]

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I feel really sorry for whom ever is teaching falsely.  God hates that.  And you can just bet all these words we are typing are being kept and we will account for every one of them.  And judgment starts with the teachers and preachers.  And we become responsible FOR everyone who listened to us.  

If you are misconstruing a passage DEE....I don't think God is going to hold a grudge against you, we are sinners and see darkly. Only if you teach false things on purpose will God hold you to account. I don't worry about that, I learned how to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit 30 plus years ago.

9 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi DeighAnn....

This was a long-winded response......but VERY good. When it's laid out in this manner, the picture becomes clear (er).

I'm afraid many will not take the time to read it in its entirety......too bad!....They will just gloss it over because they "know" the scripture, but no matter how many times I've read some scripture in the past, just one more reading is all it takes sometimes for the Holy Spirit to reveal a new truth to me.... 

I've been away from commenting on this forum since Feb, although I have been reading many topics and comments. 

I thought what you wrote was very much worth commenting on.

Well said sister!

I explain in my post above why the Greek and Gentile misconception exists, and how it is wrong. Its about Gentiles not being like the Jews in order  please God. It has NOTHING to do with Jews and Gentiles all being ONE. Paul is making a point, he also speaks about MALE & FEMALE, we don't think there is one sex do we ? The Jewish Christians were trying to teach the Galatians they ad to keep the Jewish Customs. Paul said, WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU........That you coming to God via the Faith/Spirit, now seek to please God via THE FLESH (Laws of the Jewish Customs).....Hes saying, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A Jew to please God !! Yet many false teachers teach that it means the Church has taken the place of the Jews...........that is BOGUS, false teachings.

9 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  I thought judgement didn't come until after death.  Are you saying that pre trib Christ comes with a rod of Iron.  Or does Christ come before during and after?  So hard to keep tract the way you tell it.

 

Judgement of the FALSE RELIGIONS...........The Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGION of ALL TIME. Thus when the Beast comes to power Dee, he FORBIDS Islamic worship, he forbids Hindu worship, he forbids Buddhist worship, and he will kill off anyone that refuses to stop worshiping their gods, because he DEMANDS to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! God Judges the Harlot via the Kings/Beast.... Rev. 17:7 says so.......We see in Rev 17:16 she is JUDGED..........Then in Rev. 17:17 we are told God placed it in THEIR HEARTS !! Boom !!

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The Kings/Beast kill off ALL FALSE RELIGION because his heart demands to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD. Now we know who the 2 Billion (1/4 of all mankind in Rev. 6) people he kills off after the Rapture are, mostly Islamic Muslims. They die now for their God via bombs, when made to worship a man does anyone think they will do it ? No....but the Buddhist and Hindus probably will. 

The Harlot is a Metaphoric Entity !!

9 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

You sound so very sure, yet you believe in the Rapture Theory. 

I don't believe in anything, I KNOW there is a pre trib Rapture.

9 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

We can never read it the same way because of that division alone.  I know for sure we agree on the 2nd coming of Christ.  So you agree with what I believe and know what I believe to be truth.  You just don't like the order as I have us being tested, something God tells us HE DOES and HE SETS FORTH. 
Who said "Surely ye shall not die"?  That's right, the Theory.  The Rapture Theory tells you straight out, "Surely ye shall not die"  that ALONE tells me where it comes from.  No harvest talk or 70th week talk can change that.   

God doesn't need to test us per se, when our MISSION IS OVER we go to be with the Lord. You ignore all the scriptures that show the Church is in Heaven before the Seals are opened. You ignore the Church coming back with Jesus in Rev. 19. You ignore the passages where Jesus specifically tells the Disciples hes going to prepare a place for them in his Fathers mansion, to receive them unto himself. Go study the Jewish Wedding Customs and you will see that they spend 7 Days in the fathers house, did you know that sister ?  THEN the Marriage Feast...........So, we spend 7 Years in God's Mansions, and THEN the Marriage Feast is Armageddon. go read Rev. 19 and see if Armageddon is not the Marriage Feast. 

9 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Wonder who placed that division between us?  

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

I have just been called to End Time Eschatology, its hard for anyone to see the things I see, I understand that sister. So, I am not knocking you. KEEP DIGGING. God Bless.

[Revelation Man]

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

YES.........Church seen here. It blows your theory out of the water, dodge as you may, you can't overcome the facts. One would have to close their eyes not to see the OBVIOUS HERE....

Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So, these 7 Churches are promised GIFTS to those who OVERCOME and to those who DIE for Christ Jesus' name. Then in Rev. 4 we see those EXACT GIFTS I just cited as being present with the 24 Elders, who are indeed THE CHURCH, in Heaven. Why 24 Elders? Well, go read 1 Chronicles  24, it tells us of the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, in in Rev. 5"9-10 we are called "Kings and Priests". BUT FIRST:

Rev. 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Seems God is SHOUTING........Hey, this is THE CHURCH, they have the very promises that were given unto the 7 Churches for overcoming, its obvious to all except those who are in denial. Then in Rev. 5:9-10 we see those SINGING BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, are again shown to be the Church.

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev. 4:4 is THE CHURCH........They have all the gifts promised unto the Churches. Then in Rev. 5:9 we see that those singing BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, are the REDEEMED Church out of every Nation on earth. 

No one knows the book of Revelation better than me. You can deny these facts, but these facts will be proclaimed as truth in Heaven. This is my calling. 

Nothing else you posted changes anything. 

God Bless............I understand, its hard to overcome the facts. Then again, why would you want to even try ?

God Bless.

Edited August 9, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

What about at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let loose again.   There is a definite harvest then, wouldn't you say? 

That will be the Second  Death, not a Harvest per se, God/Jesus calls that the Second Death.

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And we finally see Gods Throne, and now on earth judgment.



And no new heaven and earth until after that, so it must be figured in, correct?  

I call it the Second Death, its semantics, since God calls it the Second Death, I will stick with that. Its all metaphoric anyway. Its all the sane thing, those who chose God will live, those who love and chose Satan will die. Amen.

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

NOT  for you APPARENTLY. 

Because its not a Judgment Trump, its a Rapture of Jesus' Bride. 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

YOU SEE NO RELATIONSHIP HERE?

 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,


The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. The trumpet will sound for and the dead will be raised imperishable and we will be changed

No, the Rapture has long since happened way before this. The 7th Trump is the 3rd Woe, Rev. 8:13 tells us that.

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, four Trumps have sounded, and thus the other THREE TRUMPS  are the Three Woes. It says so above. 

These scriptures all point to the EXACT SAME EVENT.

Rev. 11 where the 7th Trump sounds is the 3rd Woe which ends with the 7th Vial.(Armageddon)

Rev. 16:19 is the EXACT SAME 7th Vial of course. (Armageddon)

Rev. 14:17-20 is the Wine-press of God's Wrath or the exact same event. (Armageddon)

Rev. 19 where Jesus returns with us the Bride, to the Armageddon Battle is also the exact same event. (Armageddon). 

This has nothing to do with the Rapture, that happened pre 70th week. Thus we return with Jesus at the Second Coming.

Bed time, God Bless.

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

YES.........Church seen here. It blows your theory out of the water, dodge as you may, you can't overcome the facts. One would have to close their eyes not to see the OBVIOUS HERE....

Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So, these 7 Churches are promised GIFTS to those who OVERCOME and to those who DIE for Christ Jesus' name. Then in Rev. 4 we see those EXACT GIFTS I just cited as being present with the 24 Elders, who are indeed THE CHURCH, in Heaven. Why 24 Elders? Well, go read 1 Chronicles  24, it tells us of the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, in in Rev. 5"9-10 we are called "Kings and Priests". BUT FIRST:

Rev. 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Seems God is SHOUTING........Hey, this is THE CHURCH, they have the very promises that were given unto the 7 Churches, its obvious to all except those who are in denial. Then in Rev. 5:9-10 we see those SINGING BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, are again the Church.

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev. 4:4 is THE CHURCH........The have all the gifts promised unto the Churches. Then in Rev. 5:9 we see those singing BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, are the REDEEMED Church out of every Nation on earth. 

No one know the book of Revelation better than me. You can deny these facts, but these facts will be proclaimed as truth in Heaven. This is my calling. 

Nothing else you posted changes anything. 

God Bless............I understand, its hard to overcome the facts. Then again, why would you want to even try ?

God Bless.

THE ONLY THING OBVIOUS TO ME IS THAT
YOU OBVIOUSLY  DEDUCED THAT
ALL ON YOUR VERY  OWN 
AS THAT IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

YOU THINK THOSE GIFTS PROMISED TO THE CHURCHES  HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN OUT TO ANYONE EVER BEFORE.  
WHAT WOULD EVER LEAD YOU TO THAT CONCLUSION???
THAT'S RIGHT, YOU NEED TO SUPPORT A THEORY AND SUPPORT OF THAT THEORY IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAN

GODS WORDS.  

THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN,  GOT IT????



ITS JUST ALL ABOUT YOU.  

You have gotten so used to adding to the Word you don't even realize it.



YOU DEDUCED that IS THE "CHURCH" .  GOD DIDN'T TELL US IT IS THE CHURCH.   ALL ON YOUR VERY OWN YOU DECIDED

IT ISN'T WRITTEN BY GOD THAT IT IS THE CHURCH.    IT ISN'T WRITTEN THAT THAT IS THE CHURCH IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. 
IT ISN'T WRITTEN AND IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN BY GOD  THEN YOU HAD TO MAKE IT UP.  AND THAT IS WHAT YOU DID.  AND NOW IT IS WHAT YOU TEACH.  


                                               YOU ARE ADDING TO IT.  THERE IS A HUGE WARNING ABOUT THAT.  



JUST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN HEAVEN DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHO THE 24 ARE.  ONLY GOD GETS TO TELL ME.   ALL I EVER GET FROM YOU IS WHAT YOU THINK THINGS MEAN.  YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN EVERY TURN YOU MAKE BECAUSE IT CANT BE SEEN WITHOUT YOU GIVING YOUR EXPLANATION.  


IF IT WERE THE RAPTURED CHURCH IT WOULD SAY IT WAS THE RAPTURED CHURCH. THE RAPTURED THEORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 24, AT LEAST NOW UNTIL NOW.  


NO, NO WORD CHURCH OR ANY WORD THAT IS TRANSLATED CHURCH IS TO BE FOUND THERE.  YOU JUST WANT IT TO BE THE CHURCH.  YOU JUST NEED IT TO BE THE CHURCH.  BUT IT DOESN'T SAY IT IS THE CHURCH.  I REALIZE IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUTH.


GOD USED THE EXACT WORDS HE WANTED TO USE TO CONVEY WHAT EVER HE WANTS.  HE DIDN'T CONVEY IT WAS THE CHURCH  HE DIDN'T IMPLY IT WAS THE CHURCH.  EVEN BIBLICAL NUMEROLOGY WON'T HELP YOU.  THE ONLY THING YOU ARE WORKING WITH IS

A THEORY
THAT MAN MADE UP. 
IT IS A THEORY.  GOD DOESN'T HAVE THEORIES.  GOD HAS FACTS. 
YOU LIKE YOUR THEORY MORE THAN GODS WORD.  


GOT IT.  YOU HAVE TAKEN GODS WORDS AND USED THEM TO BACK UP YOUR OWN THEORY.  

A MANS THEORY 




SO NO,  THAT IS NOT WHAT IS SO OBVIOUS. 

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If you are misconstruing a passage DEE....I don't think God is going to hold a grudge against you, we are sinners and see darkly. Only if you teach false things on purpose will God hold you to account. I don't worry about that, I learned how to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit 30 plus years ago.

THAT ISN'T WHAT THE WORD TELLS US.   JUDGEMENT BEGINS AT THE PULPIT.  IF GOD DIDN'T SEND YOU TO PREACH AND YOU DECIDE TO PREACH ON YOUR OWN AND YOU PREACH FALSE DOCTRINES, THERE IS A HUGE PRICE TO PAY FOR THAT

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 19 where Jesus returns with us the Bride, to the Armageddon Battle is also the exact same event. (Armageddon). 

He returns with armies and angels and ONCE AGAIN NO MENTION OF A PRE TRIB RAPTURED CHURCH. ONLY YOU SEE THAT

[JoeCanada]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

YES.........Church seen here. It blows your theory out of the water, dodge as you may, you can't overcome the facts. One would have to close their eyes not to see the OBVIOUS HERE....

Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So, these 7 Churches are promised GIFTS to those who OVERCOME and to those who DIE for Christ Jesus' name. Then in Rev. 4 we see those EXACT GIFTS I just cited as being present with the 24 Elders, who are indeed THE CHURCH, in Heaven. Why 24 Elders? Well, go read 1 Chronicles  24, it tells us of the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, in in Rev. 5"9-10 we are called "Kings and Priests". BUT FIRST:

Rev. 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Seems God is SHOUTING........Hey, this is THE CHURCH, they have the very promises that were given unto the 7 Churches, its obvious to all except those who are in denial. Then in Rev. 5:9-10 we see those SINGING BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, are again the Church.

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev. 4:4 is THE CHURCH........The have all the gifts promised unto the Churches. Then in Rev. 5:9 we see those singing BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, are the REDEEMED Church out of every Nation on earth. 

No one know the book of Revelation better than me. You can deny these facts, but these facts will be proclaimed as truth in Heaven. This is my calling. 

Nothing else you posted changes anything. 

God Bless............I understand, its hard to overcome the facts. Then again, why would you want to even try ?

God Bless.

Revman,

The only possible way that the Church could already be  seated on the 24 thrones is that John represents the Church in Rev 4:1, and when he was called up and  the Church is called up. 

Is this what you are teaching?

[Guest theElect777]

Nowhere within Scripture but Matthew 24 is there any relevance of when Christ returns.   And Christ Himself plainly said, AFTER the Tribulation had taken place.   That means what Paul wrote or John in Revelation is irrelevant to the very spoken WORDS of GOD!   It doesn't get any simpler than what Christ said.   And to use Thessalonians and Revelations to override Matthew 24 is BLASPHEMY!