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5 hours ago, ladypeartree said:

I have a nephew who was born with all the requirements to be classed as male, grew up got married and had a daughter  I wont go into all his private details as they are his not mine  but when his daughter reached the age of 16 he started hormone treatment and surgery to change from male to female My sister ( his mum ) died a few years ago my other sister and her husband are very strong in faith Christians ( have lived their entire adult lives as missionaries going to some of the worse places to set up churches and orphanages etc )  When he asked if they hated him for " changing " my brother in law told him that he was loved no matter what his chosen name or the way he dresses of feels and that  WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN THERE IS NO MALE NOR FEMALE  so why would we hate or reject here on earth what we will all find when we go home ?

I dont see him very often as he  cant get over his sadness caused by my sons death when they were both 22 and very very close to each other ( the only two boys in a very large family of cousins ) When I do next see him I hope I can remember to use his chosen name but I am notorious for forgetting names ( my own children used to wear name badges they made when I got muddled lol ) but no matter what name he uses I hope he knows I love him ( I call him him as that is what I have always known him as NOT because I condemn him for what he has done or feels ) 

I think the hardest hit would be the sons and daughters over their parents making such drastic change from one gender to another. They probably bear the most humiliation and hurt when having to accept a father then as a mother, or mother for a father. What confusion this must be for them. They face the brunt of explanations to their friends. And of course, must grapple to understand it all.   


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On 8/14/2020 at 7:11 PM, WowLookaDuck said:

Sin has brought into this world a wide range of mental illnesses and deformities, meaning "because God doesn't make mistakes" is certainly a silly argument, which is the only argument I've heard.

Genesis 1:31: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."  It maybe difficult to understand tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17).  Still all God did is very good and He watches over His word so that all will be restored. " I am watching over My word to accomplish it.” (Jeremiah 1:12) The popular belief is that Satan was throw down to the earth. He is the one that is causing all the problems. Luke 10:18  "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." 


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17 hours ago, ladypeartree said:

WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN THERE IS NO MALE NOR FEMALE 

"There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." (Genesis 2:24)  People want division but God wants unity. Single people have to find unity in themselves. I would think that if people had an extra chromosome this would make it more difficult for them to find that unity within themselves. This has nothing to do with anyone else. Although sometimes they want to project their confusion out onto the world and others.  People need to accept who they are first and then they can find unity with others. 


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On 8/14/2020 at 4:11 PM, WowLookaDuck said:

Sin has brought into this world a wide range of mental illnesses and deformities, meaning "because God doesn't make mistakes" is certainly a silly argument, which is the only argument I've heard.

Read what the Lord said about homosexuality:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV

You can’t get around this by “changing” your sex.

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On 8/14/2020 at 7:11 PM, WowLookaDuck said:

Sin has brought into this world a wide range of mental illnesses and deformities, meaning "because God doesn't make mistakes" is certainly a silly argument, which is the only argument I've heard.

G-d does not make mistakes.  Period.

That doesn't mean that this world is no damaged by sin.

Regardless, I don't see that Christians are against trans people, as much as they are against what some vocal and militant trans people have pushed.  There is an anti-Christian agenda at work in the world, and some... not all.... some trans people have pushed that agenda.


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18 hours ago, LonerAndy said:

Regardless, I don't see that Christians are against trans people, as much as they are against what some vocal and militant trans people have pushed.  There is an anti-Christian agenda at work in the world, and some... not all.... some trans people have pushed that agenda.

Very much agree with this statement.

Second,  many people believe that transgender is a sin and many people don’t see that as a sin. When we talk of the sin of murder, it is clear that everyone knows that that is wrong although some people still do murder. Some believe we should love all sinners, and I never could understand how somebody could love a murderer. When I grew up and they were famous serial killers and when they were put to death honestly I cheered.

When society has deemed an action or a circumstance as “normal“, what should the Christian response be? In these posts what I’ve read is many are judgement first, having to define whether the person is sinning or not before they can relate to them. Instead of “fixing” them, maybe a response should be to love them to Christ.

For me loving a murderer or a serial killer to Christ is probably not going to happen. 
I hope that I could love all sinners to Christ and whether being transgender is a sin is not up to me to judge. 
 

 


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I went through and deleted all of the many posts that were personal attacks and not on topic. Please keep it on topic and resist making it personal.

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On 8/14/2020 at 6:11 PM, WowLookaDuck said:

Sin has brought into this world a wide range of mental illnesses and deformities, meaning "because God doesn't make mistakes" is certainly a silly argument, which is the only argument I've heard.

We all have began in sin, darkness, death... The high calling of God is that we recognize this fact through the hearing, reading of His Word and in that we have the means through faith generated by that Word to see we are ‘sin, darkness, death’ ...  
Romans 10:17 (KJV) [17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Now here is the reasoning coming from this: it does not matter where one is in the ‘sin, darkness, death’ as we ‘all’ must come out of that to the Light and Life that is in God! The elements you are struggling with are of that ‘sin, darkness, death’ and to reason from that ‘sin, darkness, death’ is futile as it can and only be ‘sin, darkness, death’....  the enemy is subtle in trying to make us focus upon that which cannot solve anything thinking it can! The error of people these days is trying to make sense out of ‘sin, darkness, death’ and God tells us only escape is to renew this mindset to that of His Word.... 


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On 8/14/2020 at 7:11 PM, WowLookaDuck said:

Sin has brought into this world a wide range of mental illnesses and deformities, meaning "because God doesn't make mistakes" is certainly a silly argument, which is the only argument I've heard.

Then you've not studied the arguments. Trans people deal with phenomenally high rates of sexual violence and suicide, one of many reasons why it's VERY difficult to get the trans procedures performed.

One other argument--the Bible firmly describes genders and rebukes gender fluidity.

By the way, "God knows what He's doing/doesn't make mistakes" is not a silly argument. He is perfection, and perfection comes from His nature to us.

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19 hours ago, LonerAndy said:

G-d does not make mistakes.  Period.

That doesn't mean that this world is no damaged by sin.

Regardless, I don't see that Christians are against trans people, as much as they are against what some vocal and militant trans people have pushed.  There is an anti-Christian agenda at work in the world, and some... not all.... some trans people have pushed that agenda.

Yes, I can see it now a bunch of guys wearing dresses in high heels marching through the streets swinging their Chanel purses.

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