Rom 8.1 KJV vs modern translations

[Jedi4Yahweh]

3 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

We cannot lose our salvation if we have been seal with the holy spirit.  Its eternal life not maybe.

So your saying you can live in sin and still think your going to enter the Kingdom of God?    

Paul says you have been deceived if you think so:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 KJV

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, - Col 3:5-9 NKJV

[Wayne222]

Just now, Jedi4Yahweh said:

So your saying you can live in sin and still think your going to enter the Kingdom of God?    

Paul says you have been deceived if you think so:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 KJV

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, - Col 3:5-9 NKJV

It stands to reason a born again person walks in faith not in sin. We are dead to sin when we are saved in christ and alive to God. The works of the flesh are not a born again person way anymore. We have crucified the flesh. Now we are to serve in newness of life.  

[JTC]

6 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

It stands to reason a born again person walks in faith not in sin. We are dead to sin when we are saved in christ and alive to God. The works of the flesh are not a born again person way anymore. We have crucified the flesh. Now we are to serve in newness of life.  

Well if you live like this then you almost never sin anyway. So you would have nothing to worry about. But to many people being born again is just matter of words, not actions. A truly born again person is very different from most other people. We don't fit in with the rest of the world. The average person finds us strange and peculiar. We have few friends because most people just don't understand us. It's not an easy life.

[Debp]

51 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

Remember it says but you are not in the flesh but are in the spirit if the spirit of God dwells in you. If anyone has not the spirit he does not belong to him. So we received the spirit through faith not by works. We have been justified by the blood of christ.  And are at peace with God the Father. So it does not depend on works. What it is saying if you live by the flesh you are showing you do not have the spirit in you. But we all can still sin. Because we still live in our old mortal bodies. It's a matter of walking in the spirit. And growing in the faith of jesus.

 

49 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

We cannot lose our salvation if we have been seal with the holy spirit.  Its eternal life not maybe.

 

35 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

It stands to reason a born again person walks in faith not in sin. We are dead to sin when we are saved in christ and alive to God. The works of the flesh are not a born again person way anymore. We have crucified the flesh. Now we are to serve in newness of life.  

Very well said, Wayne.   You have explained everything so well and simply.

 

[Wayne222]

25 minutes ago, Debp said:

 

 

Very well said, Wayne.   You have explained everything so well and simply.

 

Thanks Debp I notice me and you are always on the same page.  The truth is simple and direct. 

[Justin Adams]

10 hours ago, JTC said:

Those verses from Hebrews are really scary. I always knew the Bible said these things but most other believers would tell me I was wrong. Additionally, the Holy Spirit was trying to convict me for many yrs but I listened to other believers. It wasn't until 2012 when I finally decided to listen to only the Holy Spirit. But quite a few people still fight me.

There's also the fact that when you live your life committing sins you harm yourself and those who love you. Sin is bad news.

They are scary, but often misused out of context. The people addressed were being 'Judaized' and pressured into returning to the old sacrificial system. Many a preacher has misused these words to browbeat a congregation. This is a travesty. The 'sin' the apostle is referring to to is the SIN OF UNBELIEF...

[JohnR7]

13 hours ago, Jayne said:

Can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that phrase has been omitted and not added.

Reminds me of a discussion a few years back when new age was really something old that got revived. This was an old dispute between texts that was resolved but now the new age people with their new translations want to revive the discussion and bring it to the table again. Even in this case - clearly we have to walk in the spirit and not the flesh and this is consistent with all of Paul's teachings. 

[JohnR7]

11 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

We cannot lose our salvation if we have been seal with the holy spirit.

Then we would no longer have a choice. That would be going backwards. Animals do not have choice. They tell a story about the pastor who said I can sin all I want, I just do not want to sin. We are a new creation in Christ and our old nature is gone.  There is no sin in Heaven. Satan and the angels got thrown down to the earth because of sin. Of course we leave our physical body behind. We have a spiritual body in Heaven but not a physical body like we do on Earth. At least that is what they teach. 

[JohnR7]

10 hours ago, JTC said:

Well if you live like this then you almost never sin anyway.

Many are called but few are chosen. We have to be made Holy and Sanctified. Just like the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle. There is still a inner and a outer court for people that are saved but they are not close to God and they do not represent God. We are joint heirs with Christ. I do not see more than a remnant or 10% of the people that actually represent God. 

[TheBlade]

  

12 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Sure the Holy Spirit will convict you to repent of those sins, but if we refuse to repent and willfully continue to live in those sins then these following scriptures applies:

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? - Heb 10:26-29 ESV

First I really like your posts. Here Rom 8 where some older manuscripts don't have the ladder of the verse... then we have to look at the  "secondary" .. blah blah blah. I wonder .. you might get this you might not but I wonder just WHO I am replying to This is why hard for me to ..  that being said..

I believe you have Heb 10:26 wrong and Heb 6 also comes into play here. . Gonna run into problems in 1st,2nd John so forth so on. Some of the things said in some posts puts Christ to open shame. Well as if God didn't know every sin you me would do. I think He knows the end from the start. So He knew every sin I would ever do. And when Christ died (thank you Father.. ) those SINS were not hidden they are gone forever. So what SIN do you think you can do that He never died for, paid the price for? Hello? Did we get that? Did I ME get that? He ALREADY paid the price in FULL! Eph 1:7, 1st Cor 6:20, 1st Cor 7:23, 2nd Cor 5:21.. so forth so on.

This you also said "Sure the Holy Spirit will convict you to repent of those sins," Convict..... declare (someone) to be guilty of a criminal offense by the verdict of a jury or the decision of a judge, a person found guilty of a criminal offense and serving a sentence of imprisonment."

Sorry why did Christ die for me? So take older or other yet there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus. "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

See Christ said the Holy Spirit convicts the "world" of sin. What sin? That they do not believe in Him. That is the ONLY sin He did not die for. Really makes you wonder if we TRULY believe John 3:16-17. If we really believe that "CROSS" was enough. Pfft should not have to say this.. NO I do not never have had a thought to OOH I can FREELY SIN NOW.. who would even think that.