What is a "soul?"

[Retrobyter]

19 hours ago, clancy said:

Have I read this correctly?

Gods word say we are dust?

When do we become dust is my question?

We go back into the ground...when our human body dies, the flesh...with the pumping heart.

 

when we are born again, we are a new creation in Christ..our spirit belongs to him...

Shalom, Clancy.

Yes, God's Word says that we are dust. We actually become dust when we are conceived! The very second that a new individual is formed in his/her mother's womb, we are but dust.

Psalm 103:8-18 (KJV)

8 The LORD (YHWH) is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that WE ARE DUST.
15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17 BUT the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

And, what does Genesis 2:7 say?

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What did God tell Adam when He cursed him for his part in their sin?

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV)

17 And unto Adam he said,

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, 'Thou shalt not eat of it': cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

And, what do we read of Adam's fate?

Genesis 5:1-5 (KJV)

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

[Whyme]

God is a spirit and we will have a spiritual body too. 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Clancy.

Yes, God's Word says that we are dust. We actually become dust when we are conceived! The very second that a new individual is formed in his/her mother's womb, we are but dust.

Psalm 103:8-18 (KJV)

8 The LORD (YHWH) is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that WE ARE DUST.
15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17 BUT the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

And, what does Genesis 2:7 say?

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What did God tell Adam when He cursed him for his part in their sin?

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV)

17 And unto Adam he said,

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, 'Thou shalt not eat of it': cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

And, what do we read of Adam's fate?

Genesis 5:1-5 (KJV)

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

2 kings 22:20

 —and because you tore your robes and wept in my presence, I also have heard you, declares the Lord. 20 Therefore I will gather you to your ancestors, and you will be buried in peace. Your eyes will not see all the disaster I am going to bring on this place.’”

**when the Lord said to the King "I will gather you to your ancestors " how can we understand this, what does the Lord wants to say?

 

[Your closest friendnt]

53 minutes ago, Whyme said:

God is a spirit and we will have a spiritual body too. 

Hello Whyme, repeated times Jesus Christ said that the Heavenly Father is my Father and that he is his Son.

Like the people of that time as it is with the people of all times including our selves listening to Jesus Christ calling God his Father they were wondering about many things. 

One of them would be whether or not the God his Father had also a human body like him.

One time Jesus Christ took the time to explain to them that God is a Spirit and does not have a Man's body, and the time is coming that we will worship him with our Spirit. 

Jesus Christ was also a Spirit living in his phycical body, because when he died on the Cross he went in the unseen world, Jesus said he will descend to the heart of the earth. 

He could not go there while in his earthly body, could he? 

That's why he had to die first. To found himself out of his body. 

And then when he was raised from the dead, some how he knew where his body was and he did not go to the hill of Golgotha looking to find his body on the Cross that would have been strange.

Did the Angel had to stroll away the stone from the entrance to go in the Tomb.

No need for that because he could go in the Spirit man into the heart of the Earth and come back, it was no a problem, he did not have to dig his way in and out into the place of the dead under the care of the God of the Dead.

Did the Angel had to move away the stone from the Tomb for Jesus Christ to come out from the Tomb , yes he did unless jesus roll it away himself.

[Charlie744]

On 3/2/2021 at 4:35 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello brother, to get things with clarity it needs to walk step by step, instant of thinking about the end and try to fit everything within that conclusion. 

I need to start some place and it has to be with things you understand and you can relate with on your own, and with the help of Jesus Christ as he sees fit to guide you in these matters. At times he leave us on our own and that how it has to be. 

We need to look why Jesus Christ had chosen the Greeks and the Romans to be the heirs of the Gospel.

As I mentioned before, I am in the process of studying Daniel. And your question above has made me what to consider if and how might there be a comparison, symbolism or message between:

1) OT is written in Hebrew and the NT is in Greek,

2) Daniel chapters 2 - 7 are in Aramaic and prophetic chapters are in Hebrew.

ANYONE  want to offer their opinion would be great!  Charlie

PS. Your closet friendnt thanks for the thought!
 

On 3/2/2021 at 4:35 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

Those Nations they did not have the scriptures and actually they had their own religion which it was deferent from the religions of other Nations. 

And it was not just about polytheism it was their understanding of spiritual matters. 

One example is just a short time before the Cross when the disciples informed Jesus that a group of Ethnic Greeks is seeking to see you, Jesus Christ reacted with the words " my time has come. It is as if Jesus Christ was waiting for that moment. 

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

As I mentioned before, I am in the process of studying Daniel. And your question above has made me what to consider if and how might there be a comparison, symbolism or message between:

1) OT is written in Hebrew and the NT is in Greek,

2) Daniel chapters 2 - 7 are in Aramaic and prophetic chapters are in Hebrew.

ANYONE  want to offer their opinion would be great!  Charlie

PS. Your closet friendnt thanks for the thought!
 

 

Hello Brother Charlie 744, 

There is something special about you, you are inviting others to discussion and not unto their judgment. 

Regarding my earlier question I do not want to leave you just wandering about it, the Greeks were a Nation who knew a lot about the afterlife and for that reason were a Nation prepared by God to receive the Gospel with Gladness and Joy unspeakable. 

They believed when a man dies it is not the end but the beginning of a new life. 

Not on the earth but in the underworld. Those were their beliefs when Jesus Christ died on the Cross. 

The Greeks were chosen because they believed exactly what the Apostles teach that there is life after death, and that after death man retains his identity, he knows who he is and where he did come from, and what he did in his life time, where he was born, and his family, even memories that were faded through the passage of time they are not lost after the death of the physical because they were stored in his Spirit Man who goes on living for ever. 

(***After death man as he is in the Spirit knows that he loves Jesus Christ and he believes in him and the good Jesus Christ has done to him and that Jesus Christ is the Lord and the Judge of all and that will bow down before him at the time of their death.)

Edited March 4, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello Brother Charlie 744, 

There is something special about you, you are inviting others to discussion and not unto their judgment. 

Regarding my earlier question I do not want to leave you just wandering about it, the Greeks were a Nation who knew a lot about the afterlife and for that reason were a Nation prepared by God to receive the Gospel with Gladness and Joy unspeakable. 

They believe when a man dies it is not the end but the beginning of a new life. 

Not on earth but in the underworld. 

They Greeks were chosen because they believed exactly what the Apostles teach and that after death man retains his identity, he knows who he is and where did he come from, even memories lost because of determination of the physical abilities to remember they are not lost after the death of the physical because they were store in his Spirit Man who goes on living for ever. 

 

That was very kind of you, but remember, each one of us has something to offer in our attempt to understand His Word. Your question will surely trigger some interesting comments and thoughts in this forum. 

By the way, I am NO history major but I do believe the Greek language was spoken in the then known world perhaps more than any other language. And since it was now necessary / commissioned by God to spread the Gospel to the pagans / gentiles, it would have been able to be received by more people speaking / understanding Greek than Hebrew. I think God was on to something.......

Certainly Paul was fluent in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and most likely Latin, Japanese, Russian, Navajo, Apache, Swedish and maybe a little French Canadian...... I am pretty sure this is what is mentioned in Acts when it speaks of the disciples speaking in tongues...... yea, I think that is what it means.  

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

[Your closest friendnt]

19 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

That was very kind of you, but remember, each one of us has something to offer in our attempt to understand His Word. Your question will surely trigger some interesting comments and thoughts in this forum. 

By the way, I am NO history major but I do believe the Greek language was spoken in the then known world perhaps more than any other language. And since it was now necessary / commissioned by God to spread the Gospel to the pagans / gentiles, it would have been able to be received by more people speaking / understanding Greek than Hebrew. I think God was on to something.......

Certainly Paul was fluent in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and most likely Latin, Japanese, Russian, Navajo, Apache, Swedish and maybe a little French Canadian...... I am pretty sure this is what is mentioned in Acts when it speaks of the disciples speaking in tongues...... yea, I think that is what it means.  

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

I always remember that and always make everyone important.

Looking at the whole picture at that time Paul could communicate to the Greeks without the use of a translator and that also complimented them and soften their mood to listen to what he had to say.

Coming to what Paul had to say it was something that made the Greeks marvel. 

That it would effect not only them but also the ancestors of those who heard the Gospel. 

Paul told them that if the believe in Jesus Christ they would not be separated from their ancestors. 

And why did Paul say that, because the Gospel it was preached first to their ancestors by Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ sent his disciples to the rest of the world. 

Jesus Christ mission was to preach the Gospel to everyone who had died before him and after his raising from the dead Jesus Christ commition his disciples to preach the Gospel to the living.

Him to the dead and the disciples to the living. 

And we are back to Paul and his message to the  Greeks and Romans. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Frits]

On 3/3/2021 at 2:13 AM, Charlie744 said:

Thanks for responding and offering some of your thoughts on this! Fritz, there are a couple of ways I might try and respond to this:

1) I did mention that "Solomon AND MANY OTHERS" in the Scriptures have spoken on death being "as sleep".... and this would include Jesus Himself. He specifically told His disciples that Lazarus was not dead by asleep.... The Scriptures are not silent on this subject and, in my opinion, quite clear.... (once again, my opinion).

2) I am going to have to insist that YOU LEAVE SOLOMON ALONE. I am sure you know how difficult it must have been to follow such a great king as his father David - sort of a middle child type of thing.... . But seriously, this same king who failed in many ways was given a significant amount of space within God's Scriptures to write down... do you think God made a mistake?  He was THE MOST INTELLIGENT MAN WITH WISDOM THAT HAD AND MOST LIKELY WOULD EVER EXIST - AND THIS WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD HIMSELF. God certainly wanted him to put all of the wisdom FROM GOD to us for our benefit and salvation. 

And I don't think we should confuse his wisdom with his righteousness... despite all he was given in intelligence, it and ANY OTHER gift from God (tremendous athleticism, etc.,) will not get one into heaven.... God simply used Solomon as He had done with almost all of the other actors in the Bible... they all came from lowly backgrounds and were selected by God for His purpose.... Solomon's writings were given to us by God.

3) So my selection of Solomon was just that... one of many found in the Scriptures and you are so right when you say it is we should not build doctrine or our interpretations on a single verse in the Bible.

 

Fritz, you are correct that Solomon was not the best or even good example of a righteous man. But just like Moses who killed a man, God selected him to do His work - whether in a writing or in action. But as you know, no one is good, no one. Also, Moses or Jeremiah, or Daniel or Abel, etc., --- where they led by the Holy Spirit? I don't know your thoughts on this and do not want to speak for you but I would be certain you do not believe that all people born before Pentecost, who were not given the opportunity to accept the Holy Spirit will not be in heaven with God...

 

Fritz, I am not sure I understand these comments... sorry! I do not believe in any kind of way that God's Word in the OT are NOT HOLY and GOD INSPIRED. They are His Words sent to us through many.... for our understanding. I don't believe you are saying that Genesis and Daniel and Jeremiah and the Torah are either NOT TRUTH, PARTIAL TRUTH OR ALMOST ALL TRUTH. They include His 10 commandments, the story of His creation and on and on..... 

Man is the one who has determined to label HIS WORD (Genesis to Revelation) as OT and NT. We may use this to quickly understand when a certain book was written - whether it was before or after the Cross, but EVERY WORD within the 66 books were conceived and given to us directly from God Himself. And not only did Jesus quote from the OT - especially since there was no NT but so much of the NT is taken from the OT verses. Jesus spent 3 years instructed Paul in the desert of how the Scriptures wrote about HIM......

 

First, there can NOT be any contradiction from ANY verse in the Bible... this is one of the most wonderful facts about the Scriptures. These books were written over 1500 years, by over 40 authors, during very different times and powers, in different languages, and on and on, YET, God has ensure us there are NO contradictions or errors or mistakes at any time, in any verse, etc. So, if we (man) believes there is an error or contradiction then that must tell us WE have a problem and that WE must go back to these verses that appear to contradict each other. What good is a book or a rule of law or a standard that has flaws or contradictions within it? 

If we take a particular subject on say what happens to us after death we must try and identify ALL OR ANY of HIS WORDS found in HIS SCRIPTURES that focus on this issue. If there are 10 or 20 or as little as 5 they ALL MUST SPEAK THE SAME TRUTH (OT AND NT - NO DIFFERENCE BEFORE OR AFTER THE CROSS). When we THINK there is a contradiction that is when we drill down and challenge our interpretations.... but this is very hard to do when and if one has already incorporated their / this particular interpretation in their overall theology. This is done by ALL and this causes disagreements, confusion, all the different denominations, even anger and murder (see Fox's book of Martyrs).

Secondly, and here is a perfect example where you select the PARABLE of Lazarus as support for the continuation or awareness of man after death. And I certainly understand that so many people would confirm your understanding. But I believe this is not a parable about life after death since it does contradict the many verses in the Scriptures that speak about "soul sleep" (as it has been labeled), but that there is NO opportunity for anyone to change their position after death... for us, it means that had we failed to accept Jesus and receive His Holy Spirit there would be no opportunity to correct that after death. 

This is also JUST ONE of the serious blashemies promoted by the RCC (little horn) where they contend we can: 

1) pray to the dead,

2) pray for the dead,

3) try and get them promoted from purgatory to heaven (coach to 1st class .. I guess).

4) have the dead pray for us,

5) the dead are being tortured right now as we speak.... horrible torture of fire that will not go out, vicious animals and fallen angels tearing us apart over and over again, NO CABLE TV...... 

All of these and more have been promoted by the RCC over the past 1ooo years or so for the purpose of gaining control, power and money over man. So, I personally do not subscribe this Lazarus is alive and still burning. Remember the other REAL Lazarus who was actually raised from the dead by Jesus? Now that was a real event and not a parable.... and not only was his clothes and hair and skin without any burn marks, but he had absolutely nothing to say or offer about his death experience during those 4 days..... In fact, and I am not sure what Gospel it is written in but I am sure it tells us that this Lazarus thanked Jesus for the 4 days of rest in the grave..... apparently, he was tired of fighting with Mary and Martha over what to have for dinner when Jesus arrived... something like that... this is why we read in the Scriptures where Jesus Himself tells us that "Man should not eat by bread alone"..... I believe Martha just wanted to offer a little something to nibble on while Mary wanted to have a full meal... Lazarus was just caught in the middle! Really, go look it up!

 

Once again, the fact that you feel that a verse (in this case our dear friend Solomon) is wrong tells me there is indeed a contradiction and also, that a or any verse in the Bible COULD BE WRONG. No contradictions, no wrong verses, it can ONLY be OUR MISUNDERSTANDING OR MISINTERPRETATION. These are God's Words not Solomon or Moses or Jeremiah, etc.,

Hope some of this makes sense ..... now I have to go, my wife and daughter are fighting over what to make for dinner and I might be gone for 4 days or so...... I will let you know what I saw when I get back. Charlie

Hi bro,

Thanks Charlie for your extensive response, this will bring us even further into the subject. Nice to do this together!

"I did mention that" Solomon AND MANY OTHERS "in the Scriptures have spoken on death being" as sleep ".... and this would include Jesus Himself. He specifically told His disciples that Lazarus was not dead by asleep ....
(once again, my opinion)."

Quite correct. When the Christian dies, he/she is not dead but lives with the Lord Jesus, in His heavenly Kingdom. Hallelujah!

The Lord Jesus spoke about the 'sleep' of Lazarus —means, "God is my help" —because the person who 'goes to sleep' is by no means dead, he has only temporarily withdrawn from his earthly activities.

(Solomon)
"He was THE MOST INTELLIGENT MAN WITH WISDOM THAT HAD AND MOST LIKELY WOULD EVER EXIST - AND THIS WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD HIMSELF. God certainly wanted him to put all of the wisdom FROM GOD to us for our benefit and salvation."

It is true, Solomon was initially a very wise man, but the Lord Jesus said: 'and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.' (Mt.12:42)
Solomon's wisdom consistently applied to everything that was "under the sun," that is, everything that concerned earthly  natural life. (v13)

The wisdom of the Lord Jesus, however, is from 'above' and concerns the invisible Kingdom of heaven.
This requires the baptism with the Holy Ghost, who searches even the innermost thoughts of God. (1Cor.2:10) (Oh, I love my Lord Jesus!)

Hence the Lord Jesus could say:

'... but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.' (Lk.7:28)

Now, many adherents of the-soul-dies-too-theory have built their entire paradigm right on Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Think, for example, of the Adventists and the Jehovah Witness. Following the example of the Jewish Sadducees!

But King Solomon in 9:1-5 was not talking about (escaping) his hundreds of wives, but rather about the lives of good people and the lives of sinners. (v3)
After their death, according to Solomon, neither of them know anything anymore!
In v10 he says, "for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

Then I notice that the apostle John wrote:

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors;  and their works do follow them. (Rev.14:13)
 

And with that, Solomon said something different from what the Lord Jesus taught us.  Solomon had limited insight, while the Lord Jesus Christ has ALL insight, He IS the truth and He has brought us the knowledge of the full truth.
Jesus Christ has begun to reveal things which have been kept secret since the foundation of the world. (Mt.13:35)

Did God make mistakes in the Bible?  NO, definitely not!
How, then, is it that Solomon has written something completely different from what the Lord Jesus taught us?

'And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.  Believest thou this?'
(Jn.11:26)

The answer to these and many other questions is that the Old Testament prophets had a very limited understanding of the Kingdom of Heaven. Heaven was closed and they wrote down a great amount of valuables, without understanding or explaining them themselves.
After all, in the first place they did not serve themselves either with their prophecies and writings, but they served us with that. (1Pt.1:10)

I'm now going to give you a small example.

In 2 Samuel it says:

"The LORD was angry with Israel again, and he made David think it would be a good idea to count the people in Israel and Judah." (2Sam.24:1)

Then in 1 Chronicles it says:

"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (1Ch.21:1)

Well now who prompted David to number the people, the devil or God?
We know from the New Testament, from the letter of James, that God the Father does not tempt anyone.
(Jm.1:13)

So the correct answer must be that the devil provoked David to number the people! Which is also admitted by David in verse 10, that he had sinned.

Thanks to God, we can open the Old Testament with the bright Light of the New Testament.

God bless you.

[Your closest friendnt]

8 minutes ago, Frits said:

Hi bro,

Thanks Charlie for your extensive response, this will bring us even further into the subject. Nice to do this together!

"I did mention that" Solomon AND MANY OTHERS "in the Scriptures have spoken on death being" as sleep ".... and this would include Jesus Himself. He specifically told His disciples that Lazarus was not dead by asleep ....
(once again, my opinion)."

Quite correct. When the Christian dies, he/she is not dead but lives with the Lord Jesus, in His heavenly Kingdom. Hallelujah!

The Lord Jesus spoke about the 'sleep' of Lazarus —means, "God is my help" —because the person who 'goes to sleep' is by no means dead, he has only temporarily withdrawn from his earthly activities.

(Solomon)
"He was THE MOST INTELLIGENT MAN WITH WISDOM THAT HAD AND MOST LIKELY WOULD EVER EXIST - AND THIS WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD HIMSELF. God certainly wanted him to put all of the wisdom FROM GOD to us for our benefit and salvation."

It is true, Solomon was initially a very wise man, but the Lord Jesus said: 'and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.' (Mt.12:42)
Solomon's wisdom consistently applied to everything that was "under the sun," that is, everything that concerned earthly  natural life. (v13)

The wisdom of the Lord Jesus, however, is from 'above' and concerns the invisible Kingdom of heaven.
This requires the baptism with the Holy Ghost, who searches even the innermost thoughts of God. (1Cor.2:10) (Oh, I love my Lord Jesus!)

Hence the Lord Jesus could say:

'... but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.' (Lk.7:28)

Now, many adherents of the-soul-dies-too-theory have built their entire paradigm right on Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Think, for example, of the Adventists and the Jehovah Witness. Following the example of the Jewish Sadducees!

But King Solomon in 9:1-5 was not talking about (escaping) his hundreds of wives, but rather about the lives of good people and the lives of sinners. (v3)
After their death, according to Solomon, neither of them know anything anymore!
In v10 he says, "for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

Then I notice that the apostle John wrote:

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors;  and their works do follow them. (Rev.14:13)
 

And with that, Solomon said something different from what the Lord Jesus taught us.  Solomon had limited insight, while the Lord Jesus Christ has ALL insight, He IS the truth and He has brought us the knowledge of the full truth.
Jesus Christ has begun to reveal things which have been kept secret since the foundation of the world. (Mt.13:35)

Did God make mistakes in the Bible?  NO, definitely not!
How, then, is it that Solomon has written something completely different from what the Lord Jesus taught us?

'And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.  Believest thou this?'
(Jn.11:26)

The answer to these and many other questions is that the Old Testament prophets had a very limited understanding of the Kingdom of Heaven. Heaven was closed and they wrote down a great amount of valuables, without understanding or explaining them themselves.
After all, in the first place they did not serve themselves either with their prophecies and writings, but they served us with that. (1Pt.1:10)

I'm now going to give you a small example.

In 2 Samuel it says:

"The LORD was angry with Israel again, and he made David think it would be a good idea to count the people in Israel and Judah." (2Sam.24:1)

Then in 1 Chronicles it says:

"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (1Ch.21:1)

Well now who prompted David to number the people, the devil or God?
We know from the New Testament, from the letter of James, that God the Father does not tempt anyone.
(Jm.1:13)

So the correct answer must be that the devil provoked David to number the people! Which is also admitted by David in verse 10, that he had sinned.

Thanks to God, we can open the Old Testament with the bright Light of the New Testament.

God bless you.

Hello brother Frits, we must acknowledge that Jesus Christ spoken these words about  Lasarus and to others and that was only before he raised them from the dead and brought them back to life.