What is a "soul?"

[Retrobyter]

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I never read any of that in the word of GOD.  
I would ask for some scripture...but, alas...no need.  

Here is EXACTLY how I believe it took place.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.

Psalm 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Psalm 33:9 For HE SPAKE AND IT WAS DONE, HE COMMANDED AND IT STOOD FAST.  

Psalm 33:10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.

 

Shalom, DeighAnn.

Last post tonight. What does ANY of that have to do with the CREATION OF THE MAN?!

[DeighAnn]

56 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Mizmowr 139:13

13 Kiy-attaah qaaniytaa kilyotaay; tcukeeniy b-beTen immiy.

13 For you acquired my-kidneys/organs; I-was-covered in-the-uterus of-my-mother.

IT'S NOT THE BODY that covered him; it was the WOMB - the UTERUS - that covered him! And, that word "cakak," as you wrote it, (which I would transliterate as "caakhakh") is the root verb that is the basis for the word "Sukkot!" It means a "booth," a "temporary shelter!" The womb - the uterus - is such a shelter!

Yes, We must be born of water. And that soul/spirit God places in that womb will RETURN to the one who GAVE IT.  

God KNEW Jeremiah BEFORE he was in his mothers womb.  UNLESS you have some scripture the changes the word KNEW as in past tense to knows and in present.  Jacob He loved, Esau He hated.  Using the past when He means future again? 

Someone is making either assumptions or mistakes.  

Me again?  OM  Reminds me of the 'new' meanings to words like 'riot and bi partisan'.  Take away the truths of the words and what are we left with?

[Waggles]

SO WHEN WE DIE - do our bodies just dissolve and our spirit returns to God???? 

Is this really what scripture teaches us ??

Numbers 16:30  but if YHWH does a strange thing, and the ground has opened her mouth and swallowed them and all that they have, and they have gone down alive to Sheol, then you have known that these men have despised YHWH.” [LSV ->]

Job 14:13  "O that you would conceal me in Sheol, that you would hide me until your wrath is past, that you would appoint a set time for me and remember me.

Job 26:6  Sheol [is] naked before Him, || And there is no covering to destruction.

Psalm 6:5  For in death there is no memorial of You, || In Sheol, who gives thanks to You?

Proverbs 15:24  A path of life [is] on high for the wise, || To turn aside from Sheol beneath.

Isaiah 38:18  For Sheol does not confess You, || Death does not praise You, || Those going down to the pit do not hope for Your truth. 
38:19  The living, the living, he confesses You, 

SHEOL > H7585
שׁאל / שׁאול
she'ôl
BDB Definition:
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
1a) the underworld
1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1b1) place of no return
1b2) without praise of God
1b3) wicked sent there for punishment
1b4) righteous not abandoned to it
1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)
1b6) of extreme degradation in sin
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7592

Sheol cannot be the abode of dead bodies for many corpses are cremated and a few end up as fish poo. so how are the dead in Sheol - awaiting resurrection of the dead. 

[Waggles]

Matthew 22:28  In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her.” 
 22:29  But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 
22:30  For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 
22:31  And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God: 
 22:32  ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.” 
22:33  And when the crowd heard it, they were astonished at his teaching. 

[debrakay]

15 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, debrakay.

Read the first page. Yes, I did say what a "soul" is; it's an "air-breathing creature." That's precisely what Genesis 2:7 tells us. But, people here have a HUGE "blind spot" because of YEARS AND YEARS of teaching that we are a "soul in a body" nonsense. How can you have a "soul" an "air-breathing creature" separate from the body "in a body?" Does that make any sense whatsoever?! I can imagine some of these people will even argue with Yeshua` when He returns!

You are saying you believe that any air breathing creature has a soul? Why would God put a soul in my cat, or my dog, or the deer that wander thru my yard, etc?  You make it sound like you think that every creature alive on the planet that breathes air has a soul.  Why would God create animals with a soul since they cannot comprehend, understand, or communicate with human language or make wise decisions? 

[WilliamL]

4 minutes ago, debrakay said:

You are saying you believe that any air breathing creature has a soul? Why would God put a soul in my cat, or my dog, or the deer that wander thru my yard, etc?  You make it sound like you think that every creature alive on the planet that breathes air has a soul.  Why would God create animals with a soul since they cannot comprehend, understand, or communicate with human language or make wise decisions? 

Genesis 9:4 “But you shall not eat flesh [of beasts] with its soul [Hebrew, nephesh], that is, its blood.

Leviticus 17:10 ‘And whatever man of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people. 11 ‘For the soul [Hebrew, nephesh] of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’

Sorry to disappoint you, but all blood-bearing living creatures have souls. Every "kind" of such creature has its own variety of soul.

It is the human spirit that fully differentiates men from animals.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?[

[Retrobyter]

52 minutes ago, debrakay said:

You are saying you believe that any air breathing creature has a soul? Why would God put a soul in my cat, or my dog, or the deer that wander thru my yard, etc?  You make it sound like you think that every creature alive on the planet that breathes air has a soul.  Why would God create animals with a soul since they cannot comprehend, understand, or communicate with human language or make wise decisions? 

Shalom, debrakay.

I'll go one better than my brother, WilliamL: Every living creature that breathes air IS a soul! We don't "have" souls; we "ARE" souls! That's a rather important aspect to this understanding of "soul." A true "soul" is not different from a body; it's the body as long as the body is able to breathe! And, yes, WilliamL has picked valuable verses, as well. For it does no good to breathe if the oxygen in the air can't get into the blood stream, and the blood supplies every single cell in our bodies with that oxygen!

So, yes, if your cat is still breathing, then your cat is a "soul."
If your dog is still breathing, then your dog, too, is a "soul."
If that deer in your yard is breathing, then it, too, is a "soul."

Today, we've taken that legitimate English word "soul" and twisted it to mean something totally foreign to the Scriptures.

The Hebrew word that was translated as "soul" is "nefesh." Any dictionary or lexicon will do, but because many people have access to Strong's Concordance and the Hebrew Dictionary in the appendix, then it makes sense to use it here:

5315 nefesh (neh'-fesh). From naafash; properly, A BREATHING CREATURE, i.e. Animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental)
-- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X (dis-)contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

5314 naafash (naw-fash'). A primitive root; TO BREATHE; passively, to be breathed upon, i.e. (figuratively) refreshed (as if by a current of air) -- (be) refresh selves (-ed).

Now, look again at how this word is used in Genesis 2:7:

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Hebrew is...

B'reeshiyt 2:7

7 Vayyitser YHWH Elohiym et haa'aadaam `aafaar min-haa'adaamaah, vayyippach b-appaayow nishmat chayiym; vayhiy haa'aadaam l-nefesh chayyaah.

7 Vayyitser = And-formed
YHWH = YHWH; the name of God; the LORD
Elohiym = God
et = (the next word is the direct object)
haa'aadaam  = the-red-[man]
`aafaar = of-dust
min- = from-
haa'adaamaah, = the-red-[ground].
vayyippach = and-puffed
b- = in-
appaayow = his-nostrils
nishmat = a-puff
chayiym; = of-living-[things];
vayhiy = and-became
haa'aadaam = the-red-[man]
l- = to/into
nefesh = an-air-breathing-creature
chayyaah. = living.

That's how the verse uses the word "soul" or "nefesh," an "air-breathing-creature."

[Waggles]

SO WHEN WE DIE - do our bodies just dissolve and our spirit returns to God???? 

Then what goes down into Sheol or Hades awaiting the resurrection of the dead??

Numbers 16:30  but if YHWH does a strange thing, and the ground has opened her mouth and swallowed them and all that they have, and they have gone down alive to Sheol, then you have known that these men have despised YHWH.” [LSV ->]

Job 14:13  "O that you would conceal me in Sheol, that you would hide me until your wrath is past, that you would appoint a set time for me and remember me.

Job 26:6  Sheol [is] naked before Him, || And there is no covering to destruction.

Psalm 6:5  For in death there is no memorial of You, || In Sheol, who gives thanks to You?

Proverbs 15:24  A path of life [is] on high for the wise, || To turn aside from Sheol beneath.

Isaiah 38:18  For Sheol does not confess You, || Death does not praise You, || Those going down to the pit do not hope for Your truth. 
38:19  The living, the living, he confesses You, 

SHEOL > H7585
שׁאל / שׁאול
she'ôl
BDB Definition:
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
1a) the underworld
1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1b1) place of no return
1b2) without praise of God
1b3) wicked sent there for punishment
1b4) righteous not abandoned to it
1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)
1b6) of extreme degradation in sin
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7592

Sheol cannot be the abode of dead bodies for many corpses are cremated and a few end up as fish poo. So how are the dead in Sheol - awaiting resurrection??

Edited April 21, 2021 by Waggles

[warrior12]

18 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

He's not communicating that to US; He's communicating that to OTHERS WITH US! Understand?

Thanks brother for responding. However, your last word "understand " has not conclude the explanation, but I will leave you with your theology and exit the discussion, as the distance in comprehension is wide .   

1 Corinthians 12 King James Version (KJV)

12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

Edited April 21, 2021 by warrior12

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

SO WHEN WE DIE - do our bodies just dissolve and our spirit returns to God???? 

Shalom, Waggles.

Yes. As long as you understand that "our spirit" is "our breath; our wind."

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Then what goes down into Sheol or Hades awaiting the resurrection of the dead??

The body does! (More when you list the meaning of "sh'owl" (often written "Sheol") below.

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Numbers 16:30  but if YHWH does a strange thing, and the ground has opened her mouth and swallowed them and all that they have, and they have gone down alive to Sheol, then you have known that these men have despised YHWH.” [LSV ->]

This "strange thing" is that these rebels were going to be BURIED ALIVE! The earth would "open its mouth" and swallow them all WHOLE, along with everything they had!

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Job 14:13  "O that you would conceal me in Sheol, that you would hide me until your wrath is past, that you would appoint a set time for me and remember me.

Yes, Iyov ("Job") was anticipating the RESURRECTION!

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Job 26:6  Sheol [is] naked before Him, || And there is no covering to destruction.

God knows EVERYONE who is buried and knows EVERYWHERE they are buried!

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Psalm 6:5  For in death there is no memorial of You, || In Sheol, who gives thanks to You?

This is similar to Ecclesiates 9:9-10.

Ecclesiastes 9:9-10 (KJV)

9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave (sh'owl), whither thou goest.

As Yeshua` put it, you "sleep" when you go to the grave; some people say "when one goes to his rest." And, just like nothing is accomplished by a person when he or she is sleeping, so too in the grave, no one gets anything done!

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Proverbs 15:24  A path of life [is] on high for the wise, || To turn aside from Sheol beneath.

To avoid death and the grave beneath!

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Isaiah 38:18  For Sheol does not confess You, || Death does not praise You, || Those going down to the pit do not hope for Your truth. 
38:19  The living, the living, he confesses You, 

SHEOL > H7585
שׁאל / שׁאול
she'ôl
BDB Definition:
1) sheol, underworld, GRAVE, hell, PIT

1a) the underworld
1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1b1) place of no return
1b2) without praise of God
1b3) wicked sent there for punishment
1b4) righteous not abandoned to it
1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)
1b6) of extreme degradation in sin
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7592

Sheol cannot be the abode of dead bodies for many corpses are cremated and a few end up as fish poo. So how are the dead in Sheol - awaiting resurrection??

It's really very simple: God knows everyone who has died and knows what has happened to them in the grave, in the watery grave, or in the crematory! When the resurrection occurs, He will reconstitute them, wherever they may be! The Resurrection is first and foremost an ACT OF CREATION! We don't come back as zombies, ghouls, or vampires, or whatever else you might fear in the movies. We come back FULLY RE-CREATED! Even BETTER than before! We will come back like our Master Yeshua` the Messiah!

Luke 24:36-43 (KJV)

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them,

"Peace be unto you."

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit (a ghost). 38 And he said unto them,

"Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH AND BONES, as ye see me have."

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them,

"Have ye here any meat (food)?"

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Notice that He did NOT say "behold my hands and my feet, that it is my body!" He said, "it is I myself!"

Don't let the mythologies of Greece or Rome have a foothold in your theology! There's NO SUCH THING as an "underworld," especially one called "Hell" or "Hades!" This is a pagan FICTION that has been woven into our belief-system since the SECOND CENTURY A.D! When Yeshua` used the word (or was translated as) "hadees," it was simply the Greek word that meant the "UNSEEN!" It had absolutely NO CONNECTION to the Hades of Greek mythology! And, it ESPECIALLY wasn't ruled over by some god named "Hades!"

Edited April 21, 2021 by Retrobyter