The beasts of Revelation 13 - Interpreted and identified.

[Ki Won]

This is going to be a long post so I'll apologise in advance for that but you will see that the length is necessary. Everything that I write here I can expand upon, indeed, I won't go too deep into detail because the post would fill a book if I did. You may have to read it twice to really get it to sink in, read it carefully and prayerfully. 

I have been studying eschatology and the end-times for around 15 years or so and have read dozens of books, papers, sermons, theses, blogs, articles, probably tens of thousands of posts on social media or forums and watched countless hours of videos and Bible teachings during my research alongside constant prayers asking for the wisdom to understand God's word. 

I am confident that the interpretation I am going to share with you is 100% correct, can be backed up with Scripture and is in line with what we know about God and the reasons why He brings judgement. I have never seen this interpretation anywhere else before although a couple of articles I read did come quite close and perhaps if the authors had just expanded their thinking slightly they would have come up with it long before I did. 

Unfortunately, that means that I have to ask you to forget everything that you have ever thought or been taught about the book of Revelation especially when it comes to the beasts of Revelation 13 because it is almost certainly wrong. The question I ask myself is "have the church leaders deliberately taught the wrong thing?" because of the potential ramifications should the correct interpretation become common knowledge. 

So, clear your mind then read Revelation 13:1 and 13:11, perhaps even the whole of chapter 13, familiarise yourself with the Scripture that I'm going to interpret. The key to understanding this passage and I suppose the book of Revelation as a whole is the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast.

When you read the Old Testament what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was it that caused God to bring judgement first on Israel and eventually on Judah?

Answer: Idolatry! The worship of false gods or false religions.. 

It follows then that the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast are the names of false gods or false religions because what could be more blasphemous to God than the name of a false god or religion? But which religions? 

As the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the Anti-Christ presumably that means that he will mimic Christ by posing as a "messiah" of some description. Do you know how many religions there are besides Christianity that have a messianic figure? Seven! And only seven.. Seven blasphemous names, seven false religions..

Those seven religions are further separated into 10 different branches, that is, three of the seven have two major branches. The horns on the beast therefore are the ten major branches of those religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the figurehead leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches.. Ten crowns, ten figureheads.. 

 

The seven heads are the respective "messiahs" , each one an obvious counterfeit Christ..

 

Read that again and understand what it means. 

 

Seven "messiahs" means that there isn't going to be just one antiChrist, there are going to be SEVEN! The many antiChrists of 1 John 2:18. Seven antiChrists, one for me and one for you depending on where in the world you live and on which side of the aisle you fall. 

 

The seven religions are Judaism (Orthodox and Zionism), Islam (Sunni and Shia), Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana), Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism and Ba'bism/Bahá'i. (7 names /10 branches/10 crowns)

 

The respective "messiahs" are Mashiach, Mahdi , Maitreya, Kalki, Saoshyant, Li Hong and "he whom God will make manifest" . (7 "messiahs"/7 heads) 

 

We can even extrapolate that formula of heads being religions and horns being branches of them to the second beast and figure out who he and his horns represent. 

 

In Revelation 13:11 we are told that the second beast has "two horns like a lamb". As we know that Jesus is the Lamb we can say that the second beast must represent a false Christianity and his horns must represent two branches of that false Christianity, but how do we know which branches of Christianity are the false ones? 

 

Luckily God gives us a clue in verse 13 by telling us that the second beast calls fire down from heaven and then later in Revelation gives us a second clue by identifying him as the false prophet. Which prophet called fire down from heaven? Answer: Elijah. So the second beast is coming as a false Elijah, do you know how many branches of "Christianity" are expecting Elijah in the end-times? Two! The LDS and the JW's. 

 

Beast 2 then represents false Christianity and his horns represent the LDS and the JW's. Two branches, two horns.. 

 

It's already widely accepted that the harlot represents the Roman Catholic church but through her daughters she also represents most organised Christianity and all religions that have a female godhead. 

 

It should be noted that virtually every religion in the world is covered and that those religions cover practically the whole world. When God said "and all that dwell on the earth shall worship him" it's because they already do! And they don't even know that they do.. 

 

It should also be noted that it is entirely Scriptural that God will bring judgement for the worship of false gods or false religions, He's done it before.. (Just ask Israel and Judah) 

 

Going back to the seven heads, the Bible tells us in Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed" , with the heads being messiahs it becomes possible to identify the head that had the deadly wound healed. 

 

To be a genuine fake Christ, the beast has to have a death and resurrection. It would also have to be a Jew.. 

 

The head that suffered the fatal wound therefore must be the Jewish messiah, Mashiach. He is going to be killed and seemingly resurrected as an imitation of Christ.

 

Sticking with Mashiach, he is also the rider on the white horse of Revelation 6:2. I have always been uncomfortable with the mainstream teaching that the rider on the white horse is antiChrist simply because he is portrayed as a Prince of the Covenant like Christ is in Revelation 19:2. If it's Mashiach then he fits the imagery perfectly. 

 

As does the rider on the red horse. He is the Islamic Mahdi. If you read the description of him in Revelation 6:4 you could almost say that he is described as a terrorist. 

 

I believe that the rider on the black horse in Revelation 6:5-6 is the Taoist messiah Li Hong because China controls the world's purse strings and owns almost all of the world's debt. In the tribulation they're going to call the debts in, they'll be the world's quartermaster. 

 

The rider on the pale green horse in Revelation 6:8 is probably the Hindu messiah Kalki but I confess that is only because India possesses nuclear weapons and the colour of the horse is reminiscent of radiation sickness. 

 

Hades following is probably also one of the other messiahs as it says "they were given power.. " but stick a pin in to decide which one. A guess would be the "man who God will make manifest" simply because he needs to be revealed at some point. 

 

Also, another guess is that the remaining two "messiahs" don't have the same level of power as the others and are therefore too weak to have any significant impact on world events. 

 

End of Part One. Tomorrow in Part Two I will identify the beasts and the harlot and will hopefully show why it has to be them. 

 

(It's 3:30am here in the UK)

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, Ki Won said:

This is going to be a long post so I'll apologise in advance for that but you will see that the length is necessary. Everything that I write here I can expand upon, indeed, I won't go too deep into detail because the post would fill a book if I did. You may have to read it twice to really get it to sink in, read it carefully and prayerfully. 

I have been studying eschatology and the end-times for around 15 years or so and have read dozens of books, papers, sermons, theses, blogs, articles, probably tens of thousands of posts on social media or forums and watched countless hours of videos and Bible teachings during my research alongside constant prayers asking for the wisdom to understand God's word. 

I am confident that the interpretation I am going to share with you is 100% correct, can be backed up with Scripture and is in line with what we know about God and the reasons why He brings judgement. I have never seen this interpretation anywhere else before although a couple of articles I read did come quite close and perhaps if the authors had just expanded their thinking slightly they would have come up with it long before I did. 

Unfortunately, that means that I have to ask you to forget everything that you have ever thought or been taught about the book of Revelation especially when it comes to the beasts of Revelation 13 because it is almost certainly wrong. The question I ask myself is "have the church leaders deliberately taught the wrong thing?" because of the potential ramifications should the correct interpretation become common knowledge. 

So, clear your mind then read Revelation 13:1 and 13:11, perhaps even the whole of chapter 13, familiarise yourself with the Scripture that I'm going to interpret. The key to understanding this passage and I suppose the book of Revelation as a whole is the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast.

When you read the Old Testament what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was it that caused God to bring judgement first on Israel and eventually on Judah?

Answer: Idolatry! The worship of false gods or false religions.. 

It follows then that the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast are the names of false gods or false religions because what could be more blasphemous to God than the name of a false god or religion? But which religions? 

I can already see you are allowing yourself to go down a rabbit hole because you jump to the conclusion that the "NAMES" on the Beast have to be a false religion, you fudged it around until that seemed good enough for you. I haven't read the rest yet, you may indeed get close, but if not I will know, this is my 35 year forte. Back to the point at hand. The "BALSPHEMOUS NAMES" are evident. You see, Governments can blaspheme God also, that is where you allowed yourself to veer onto the wrong path. 

I know you actually get that part from Rev. 17:3, which is OK, if the heads are Blasphemous there they are in Rev. 13 also. In Rev. 13 it says the Beast/Anti-Christ has a Mouth that is Blasphemous, SAME THING, only this Blasphemer is still alive whilst the others are long gone. But these are "GOVERNMENTS" not False Religions, the "Harlot (false religions) RIDES the [Gov.] Beasts. OR..........IN OTHER WORDS, False Religion was a part of Egypt (one head), Assyria (another head), Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome..........AND of course the Anti-Christ will demand BEAST WORSHIP. 

So, the Blasphemous "NAMES" on their heads are the Nations I pointed out above, not Religions per se. In Babylon's case she had 100's of gods and demi-gods, the horoscope etc. 

18 hours ago, Ki Won said:

As the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the Anti-Christ presumably that means that he will mimic Christ by posing as a "messiah" of some description. Do you know how many religions there are besides Christianity that have a messianic figure? Seven! And only seven.. Seven blasphemous names, seven false religions..

 

This never happens pe se., he wants to be worshiped as god, not Christ Jesus. There is one place where Jesus warns those in Matthew to be weary, because after they have fled Jerusalem and are in the Petra/Bozrah area, being protected by God, the False Prophet (High Priest) via Miracles is gong to try to get them to seemingly COME OUT of their protected zone via miracles (he wants to kill them) bit Jesus has already forewarned them that he will be seen coming from the Eastern Skies, not in the dessert nor in a storeroom/secret room etc. So, though he will try, it will not work, they have been forewarned, and if you read it, it says they have been forewarned. 

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

As per John 5:43, that is Jesus speaking about "THE PHARISEES" in his time, from his life where they would not accept him, to 70 AD where they put forth "Messiahs" (they saw the Messiah as a Political Savior, not the Son of God) in order to save them from what they correctly saw as the Fourth Beast (Rome), so that verse has been fulfilled, Jesus was speaking SPECIFICALLY to the Scribes and Pharisees of his day there.

18 hours ago, Ki Won said:

As the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the Anti-Christ presumably that means that he will mimic Christ by posing as a "messiah" of some description. Do you know how many religions there are besides Christianity that have a messianic figure? Seven! And only seven.. Seven blasphemous names, seven false religions..

Those seven religions are further separated into 10 different branches, that is, three of the seven have two major branches. The horns on the beast therefore are the ten major branches of those religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the figurehead leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches.. Ten crowns, ten figureheads.. 

 

Its Nations who gave PLACE to false Religions, but also persecuted Gods peoples (Saints/Jews AND Martyrs of Jesus). The number 10 is used by God to speak about "COMPLETENESS" just like 12 means "FULLNESS". So, 10 only means ALL Europe at any given time. Just like Rev. 2:10, the Smyrna Church was told they would have tribulation "10 days", that simply means for the FULL Church Age. The 10 Brides = ALL Christendom, and only half make it to the wedding. So, the 10 Horns just means ALL the power in Europe, and right now that means 27 nations, or 26 minus England. Thus they were as Irion and Clay for nigh 2000 years until Israel was reborn as a Nation in 1948, then in the 50's to the 70's they started coming back together. So, you have misidentified the names on the Heads and what the 10 actually means. The CROWNS simply points to WHOM is over Europe, that would be the Anti-Christ/Beast/Man of Sin/Little Horn (which is one of the Heads here, that's why he's not mentioned as an 11th Horn in Revelation). In Rev. 12, notice the CROWNS are on the Heads not the Horns, because Satan is over ALL the whole words kingdoms, that includes the 7 Kingdoms over the Mediterranean Sea Region being pointed out. 

18 hours ago, Ki Won said:

The seven heads are the respective "messiahs" , each one an obvious counterfeit Christ..

 

Read that again and understand what it means. 

Now see, because of BAD INFO above, you start going WAY DOWN the Rabbit hole, its like you are in a Bear Hole now, and its dangerous. 

18 hours ago, Ki Won said:

In Revelation 13:11 we are told that the second beast has "two horns like a lamb". As we know that Jesus is the Lamb we can say that the second beast must represent a false Christianity and his horns must represent two branches of that false Christianity, but how do we know which branches of Christianity are the false ones? 

 

The 2nd Beast is a MAN just like the 1st Beast. One is over Government, he then appoints the other man to be OVER RELIGION, because he gong to KLL OFF the Harlot (ALL False Religion of all time) which is now Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and any and all gods because there is only room for ONE GOD in his mind, and he's going to DEMAND Beast Worship. 

Thus, this MAN he appoints takes the place of the Harlot, he DEMANDS all men to worship the IMAGE of the Beast or die. He will be a Jewish High Priest. I found this out by studying Dan. 11 when I did and Exegesis, I studied every king and all the players. Antiochus was a TYPE Anti-Christ, but what I did not know via History is the "TYPE FALSE PROPHET" was ruling with him at the same time. A man called Jason (real name Yeshua) bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest, thereby having his own brother, Onias III, a Pious High Priest killed, he then sought to Hellenize the Jews and that led to the Maccabean Revolt, he's in the Book of Maccabean's, but I found him elsewhere while studying. So, during the END TIMES we will se this E.U. President come to power and this High Priest (2 Horns like a "Lamb" but speaks like a Dragon) will betray his people like Jason did 2200 years ago. 

18 hours ago, Ki Won said:

Sticking with Mashiach, he is also the rider on the white horse of Revelation 6:2. I have always been uncomfortable with the mainstream teaching that the rider on the white horse is antiChrist simply because he is portrayed as a Prince of the Covenant like Christ is in Revelation 19:2. If it's Mashiach then he fits the imagery perfectly. 

 

As does the rider on the red horse. He is the Islamic Mahdi. If you read the description of him in Revelation 6:4 you could almost say that he is described as a terrorist. 

 

I believe that the rider on the black horse in Revelation 6:5-6 is the Taoist messiah Li Hong because China controls the world's purse strings and owns almost all of the world's debt. In the tribulation they're going to call the debts in, they'll be the world's quartermaster. 

 

The rider on the pale green horse in Revelation 6:8 is probably the Hindu messiah Kalki but I confess that is only because India possesses nuclear weapons and the colour of the horse is reminiscent of radiation sickness. 

Let me explain what the Four Horses Represent.......This is SHORT & SWEET, and simple. 

People look at the timing all wrong. The Four Horses are Prophetic utterings about what is about to befall mankind over a coming 42 month period of time. The Seals ARE NOT Actionable !! In other words, the White Horse goes forth Conquering for 42-months staring with the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments he uses for subterfuge. While the Asteroid strikes, he goes forth conquering amidst the chaos. He's ruthless. 

The Red Horse are the WARS over his 42 month rule. The Black Horse is Famine during his 42 months of Wars. And the Pale Green Horse is the sickness and death he brings over that same 42 month period of time, to take it a step further, the Martyrs under the altar are the Saints he kills over his 42 month reign of terror. Then the 6th Seal PROPHESIES (just like Joel 2:31 did !! Its just a prophecy) that the Judgment of God is about to BEFALL MANKIND. The 7th Seal is met with SILENCE because Judgment is here. The Trumpet Judgment does what? Its an asteroid that strikes, fire comes in first (Trump one) the Asteroid/MOUNATIAN is cast into the Sea (Trump 2) then we see the EXACT SAME Asteroid in Trump #3, as a STAR being cast down to earth, BUT WHY? Because this time God is telling us it will also be WORMWOOD or poisonous, whatever metal makeup is in this asteroid, when it blows up, its going to poison the fresh waters. God wanted us to know that also. Then Trump #4 is the Joel 2:31 event, the asteroid impact cause the Sun and Moons light to be diminished by 1/3 (smoke, debris, water vapor etc.). So, the first four Trumpet Judgments are all the SAME ASTEROID. 

REMEMBER, a White Horse means going forth to Conquer. This man CONQUERS, as will Jesus when he goes forth, of course. THE SIGN, means to Conquer, and that fits an Anti Christ AND the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. 

I knew you were a brit with that U in colour. SMILE. 

Brother, its OK to be off on something, seeking knowledge can always lead us unto truth, as long as we do not get tunnel vision. God Bless. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Ki Won]

On 11/3/2020 at 8:55 AM, Revelation Man said:

I can already see you are allowing yourself to go down a rabbit hole because you jump to the conclusion that the "NAMES" on the Beast have to be a false religion, you fudged it around until that seemed good enough for you

Wow, cheers, throw all those hours, days, months, years of research in the bin, obviously I'm going down rabbitholes.. 

As I said in my OP, "what can be more blasphemous to God than the name of a false god or religion" obviously the answer has to be nothing, because nothing can be more blasphemous than a false god.. 

You also forgot to wait for part 2, bad etiquette Revelation Man

I read the rest of your post and realised that you didn't clear your mind of all the junk that was in there before. I know it's hard to let go of but you have to because, for one thing, the EU isn't in the Bible and it definitely isn't the beast. 

You're mixing all sorts of unrelated verses with trying to equate the parable of the ten virgins with the letter to the church at Smyrna and the ten horns of the beast. 

Your understanding of the meaning of crowns is flawed too, it doesn't have to be a government, crowns signify authority and that authority could be anything. 

We all have our own little fiefdoms, are you a parent? Have a crown. Supervise or manage staff at work? Have another crown. Sit on the board? Another crown..

Even if you only live alone and have no job or children you still get a crown, why? Because your home is your fiefdom where you set the rules.. No smoking, take your shoes off, keep off the grass.. You get to set whatever rules you want because you're the king of your castle, have a crown..

As I said in my OP I can identify the two beasts and demonstrate why it's them. And it's not who you think it is.. 

I urge you to re-read my original post and use logical thinking to approach it and compare it with what you know of God. I promise you that it is quite correct. 

Again as I said in the OP, it is entirely Scriptural that God will bring judgement for the worship of false gods or false religions because he's done it before. It definitely makes more sense than the EU.. As Walid Shoebat says, where in the Bible does it say God brings judgement on Rome? Nowhere is the answer, every nation mentioned in the Old Testament end-times prophecies are middle eastern countries, no EU or Rome to be found. 

Anyway, I only dropped in to apologise for not posting Part 2 yet, I've just been really busy the last few days. 

Oh yeah Revelation Man, I'm Irish.. Close though

[Revelation Man]

19 hours ago, Ki Won said:

Your understanding of the meaning of crowns is flawed too, it doesn't have to be a government, crowns signify authority and that authority could be anything. 

 

The CROWNS are not what shows them to be Gov. Beasts, the Heads are. They stand for Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the coming Anti-Christ. The Crowns are what IDENTIFIES who is being spoken of in each chapter. Rev. 12 it identifies Satan, the Dragon, as I stated, now how is he a Gov. Beast per se? You conflate what I stated, the Scarlet Colored Beast (Apollyon) has NO CROWNS in Rev. 17 because he is not over Satan in the Spirit World (of Course) and he's not Human like the Anti-Christ or other kings of this earth, he thus is OF THE 7 (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the Anti-Christ)..........But is an 8th King [of the bottomless pit]. The Rev. 13 Beasts is a MAN. 

19 hours ago, Ki Won said:

We all have our own little fiefdoms, are you a parent? Have a crown. Supervise or manage staff at work? Have another crown. Sit on the board? Another crown..

 

I don't get the point here. 

19 hours ago, Ki Won said:

Even if you only live alone and have no job or children you still get a crown, why? Because your home is your fiefdom where you set the rules.. No smoking, take your shoes off, keep off the grass.. You get to set whatever rules you want because you're the king of your castle, have a crown..

 

Same................................................................UNINTELLIGIBLE.

19 hours ago, Ki Won said:

As I said in my OP I can identify the two beasts and demonstrate why it's them. And it's not who you think it is.. 

 

You are allowed to be wrong on this brother. God gave us free will. Just remember, God teaches us by correcting us. 

19 hours ago, Ki Won said:

Again as I said in the OP, it is entirely Scriptural that God will bring judgement for the worship of false gods or false religions because he's done it before. It definitely makes more sense than the EU.. As Walid Shoebat says, where in the Bible does it say God brings judgement on Rome? Nowhere is the answer, every nation mentioned in the Old Testament end-times prophecies are middle eastern countries, no EU or Rome to be found. 

 

The Harlot = All False Religion, the Beasts are quasi False Governance.

 

19 hours ago, Ki Won said:

Anyway, I only dropped in to apologise for not posting Part 2 yet, I've just been really busy the last few days. 

Oh yeah Revelation Man, I'm Irish.. Close though

I don't know who is harder to understand, the Irish or the Scotties. I think I can understand French better than the Scotties, but some Irish guys I can't understand a thing they say and others I understand fine, you guys must have different dialects. 

[R. Hartono]

Hi Ki Won, are u a Korean ?

[RonaldBruno]

On 11/2/2020 at 9:35 PM, Ki Won said:

The seven religions are Judaism (Orthodox and Zionism), Islam (Sunni and Shia), Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana), Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism and Ba'bism/Bahá'i. (7 names /10 branches/10 crowns)

 

The respective "messiahs" are Mashiach, Mahdi , Maitreya, Kalki, Saoshyant, Li Hong and "he whom God will make manifest" . (7 "messiahs"/7 heads) 

I would agree that all false religions are created by Satan and adding to that list, false philosophies, astrology, occult practices, atheism as well. And how convenient it would be to have already made these religions, billions already worship this Beast. But I think the error in this view is that you included Judaism, which God created. So that is the flaw. They have been blinded for a purpose, so that the Gentile world can be offered salvation through Christ and be grafted in. (Romans 11). And so their Mashiach, is Jesus, they just are blind to that reality. Their blindness will be lifted during the Great Tribulation.

There are many antichrists - currently over five billion. All are antichrists who are not "in Christ".  However, in the End Time scenario, One Antichrist takes control of the world. He is empowered by Satan because He demonstrates super-natural powers.

"And in the latter time of the their kingdom,                                                                                                                                         When the transgressors have reached their fullness,                                                                                                                                     A king shall arise, having fierce features,                                                                                                                                                      Who understands sinister schemes.                                                                                                                                                                  His power shall be mighty but not by his own power,                                                                                                                                He shall destroy fearfully,                                                                                                                                                                                And shall prosper and thrive;                                                                                                                                                                            He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people." Daniel 8:23, 24

"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,                                                                                                                           Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,                                                                                                                                            And shall intend to change times and law.                                                                                                                                              Then the saints shall be given into his hand                                                                                                                                                    For a time and times and a half a time." Daniel 7:25

About Rev. 13:3 >>> The seven heads represent seven nations. Its ten horns represent ten kings (presidents/leaders). One of the leaders becomes the Antichrist.

Facts: Biblical history surrounds Israel. God's chosen people have been defeated, enslaved by the Beast that has manifested itself as Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persian, Greece and Rome in different times. In current times, what countries surround Israel? Islamic. 

"All nations will come against Jerusalem. "And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut to pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it." Zech. 12:3

I am torn between this New World Order that we are now being controlled by as the Beast, that will usher us into this One World Government, a socialist utopian model, headed by the elites (Rothschilds and the ultra-rich like Gates) and Islam as the Beast. If Islam is not the Beast, then it is very likely that they will be manipulated to attack Israel and then later be destroyed by the Antichrist.

The other scenario in which the Beast is Islam, the Antichrist will come from  Iran, Syria, Turkey or Iraq and will join other Islamic nations together to attack Israel.  However, I can't imagine that a Mahdi could rule the world, any one of those countries don't have the power to do so. Antichrist would need to have control over the US, China, Russia, Britain, the European Union, etc. Satan is manipulating the entire world at this time. 

I am not sure who is the Antichrist, nor can anyone else name him. Soros, Gates or someone who is never mentioned in the Media, like the Rothschilds, who work behind the scenes comes to mind. It's a spiritual war unbeknownst to them and they are just pawns used by Satan. The Rothschilds and Soros are Jewish, however Soros is an atheist, Gates as well. ???

I believe this Covid-19 is diabolical. Satan works to control people by fear, lies and deception - all of which has surrounded this virus. I hear what this Great Reset has in store for us is Covid-21, a more deadly virus that would require ( when they get that vaccine) for everyone to take the vaccine. It is a dark cloud covering the world now. Someone interpreted the Rider on the White horse as the Antichrist, who has a crown (coronavirus), with a bow and goes out to conquer (as we have experienced). Then the Red Horse brings war - could be Red China. ??? What follows WWIII and world-wide collapsed economy? Famine (the Rider on the Black Horse), and Death (Pale Horse). Sad, but this will only last 3 1/2 years. 

I have studied this for 25 years and still don't have a grasp of it all, don't think anyone does! You'd think a pastor and excellent teacher like John MacArthur would have a grasp of it, but I see flaws in his view. I saw many flaws in Tim LaHaye's Left Behind Series. 

[Diaste]

On 11/2/2020 at 8:35 PM, Ki Won said:

Unfortunately, that means that I have to ask you to forget everything that you have ever thought or been taught about the book of Revelation especially when it comes to the beasts of Revelation 13 because it is almost certainly wrong.

This closes my ears. 

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On 11/2/2020 at 9:35 PM, Ki Won said:

This is going to be a long post so I'll apologise in advance for that but you will see that the length is necessary. Everything that I write here I can expand upon, indeed, I won't go too deep into detail because the post would fill a book if I did. You may have to read it twice to really get it to sink in, read it carefully and prayerfully. 

I have been studying eschatology and the end-times for around 15 years or so and have read dozens of books, papers, sermons, theses, blogs, articles, probably tens of thousands of posts on social media or forums and watched countless hours of videos and Bible teachings during my research alongside constant prayers asking for the wisdom to understand God's word. 

I am confident that the interpretation I am going to share with you is 100% correct, can be backed up with Scripture and is in line with what we know about God and the reasons why He brings judgement. I have never seen this interpretation anywhere else before although a couple of articles I read did come quite close and perhaps if the authors had just expanded their thinking slightly they would have come up with it long before I did. 

Unfortunately, that means that I have to ask you to forget everything that you have ever thought or been taught about the book of Revelation especially when it comes to the beasts of Revelation 13 because it is almost certainly wrong. The question I ask myself is "have the church leaders deliberately taught the wrong thing?" because of the potential ramifications should the correct interpretation become common knowledge. 

So, clear your mind then read Revelation 13:1 and 13:11, perhaps even the whole of chapter 13, familiarise yourself with the Scripture that I'm going to interpret. The key to understanding this passage and I suppose the book of Revelation as a whole is the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast.

When you read the Old Testament what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was it that caused God to bring judgement first on Israel and eventually on Judah?

Answer: Idolatry! The worship of false gods or false religions.. 

It follows then that the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast are the names of false gods or false religions because what could be more blasphemous to God than the name of a false god or religion? But which religions? 

As the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the Anti-Christ presumably that means that he will mimic Christ by posing as a "messiah" of some description. Do you know how many religions there are besides Christianity that have a messianic figure? Seven! And only seven.. Seven blasphemous names, seven false religions..

Those seven religions are further separated into 10 different branches, that is, three of the seven have two major branches. The horns on the beast therefore are the ten major branches of those religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the figurehead leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches.. Ten crowns, ten figureheads.. 

 

The seven heads are the respective "messiahs" , each one an obvious counterfeit Christ..

 

Read that again and understand what it means. 

 

Seven "messiahs" means that there isn't going to be just one antiChrist, there are going to be SEVEN! The many antiChrists of 1 John 2:18. Seven antiChrists, one for me and one for you depending on where in the world you live and on which side of the aisle you fall. 

 

The seven religions are Judaism (Orthodox and Zionism), Islam (Sunni and Shia), Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana), Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism and Ba'bism/Bahá'i. (7 names /10 branches/10 crowns)

 

The respective "messiahs" are Mashiach, Mahdi , Maitreya, Kalki, Saoshyant, Li Hong and "he whom God will make manifest" . (7 "messiahs"/7 heads) 

 

We can even extrapolate that formula of heads being religions and horns being branches of them to the second beast and figure out who he and his horns represent. 

 

In Revelation 13:11 we are told that the second beast has "two horns like a lamb". As we know that Jesus is the Lamb we can say that the second beast must represent a false Christianity and his horns must represent two branches of that false Christianity, but how do we know which branches of Christianity are the false ones? 

 

Luckily God gives us a clue in verse 13 by telling us that the second beast calls fire down from heaven and then later in Revelation gives us a second clue by identifying him as the false prophet. Which prophet called fire down from heaven? Answer: Elijah. So the second beast is coming as a false Elijah, do you know how many branches of "Christianity" are expecting Elijah in the end-times? Two! The LDS and the JW's. 

 

Beast 2 then represents false Christianity and his horns represent the LDS and the JW's. Two branches, two horns.. 

 

It's already widely accepted that the harlot represents the Roman Catholic church but through her daughters she also represents most organised Christianity and all religions that have a female godhead. 

 

It should be noted that virtually every religion in the world is covered and that those religions cover practically the whole world. When God said "and all that dwell on the earth shall worship him" it's because they already do! And they don't even know that they do.. 

 

It should also be noted that it is entirely Scriptural that God will bring judgement for the worship of false gods or false religions, He's done it before.. (Just ask Israel and Judah) 

 

Going back to the seven heads, the Bible tells us in Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed" , with the heads being messiahs it becomes possible to identify the head that had the deadly wound healed. 

 

To be a genuine fake Christ, the beast has to have a death and resurrection. It would also have to be a Jew.. 

 

The head that suffered the fatal wound therefore must be the Jewish messiah, Mashiach. He is going to be killed and seemingly resurrected as an imitation of Christ.

 

Sticking with Mashiach, he is also the rider on the white horse of Revelation 6:2. I have always been uncomfortable with the mainstream teaching that the rider on the white horse is antiChrist simply because he is portrayed as a Prince of the Covenant like Christ is in Revelation 19:2. If it's Mashiach then he fits the imagery perfectly. 

 

As does the rider on the red horse. He is the Islamic Mahdi. If you read the description of him in Revelation 6:4 you could almost say that he is described as a terrorist. 

 

I believe that the rider on the black horse in Revelation 6:5-6 is the Taoist messiah Li Hong because China controls the world's purse strings and owns almost all of the world's debt. In the tribulation they're going to call the debts in, they'll be the world's quartermaster. 

 

The rider on the pale green horse in Revelation 6:8 is probably the Hindu messiah Kalki but I confess that is only because India possesses nuclear weapons and the colour of the horse is reminiscent of radiation sickness. 

 

Hades following is probably also one of the other messiahs as it says "they were given power.. " but stick a pin in to decide which one. A guess would be the "man who God will make manifest" simply because he needs to be revealed at some point. 

 

Also, another guess is that the remaining two "messiahs" don't have the same level of power as the others and are therefore too weak to have any significant impact on world events. 

 

End of Part One. Tomorrow in Part Two I will identify the beasts and the harlot and will hopefully show why it has to be them. 

 

(It's 3:30am here in the UK)

The seven heads are 7 kings - Revelation 17:10

The ten horns are 10 kings - Revelation 17:12

[R. Hartono]

On 12/22/2020 at 1:56 AM, RonaldBruno said:

I would agree that all false religions are created by Satan and adding to that list, false philosophies, astrology, occult practices, atheism as well. And how convenient it would be to have already made these religions, billions already worship this Beast. But I think the error in this view is that you included Judaism, which God created. So that is the flaw. They have been blinded for a purpose, so that the Gentile world can be offered salvation through Christ and be grafted in. (Romans 11). And so their Mashiach, is Jesus, they just are blind to that reality. Their blindness will be lifted during the Great Tribulation.

There are many antichrists - currently over five billion. All are antichrists who are not "in Christ".  However, in the End Time scenario, One Antichrist takes control of the world. He is empowered by Satan because He demonstrates super-natural powers.

"And in the latter time of the their kingdom,                                                                                                                                         When the transgressors have reached their fullness,                                                                                                                                     A king shall arise, having fierce features,                                                                                                                                                      Who understands sinister schemes.                                                                                                                                                                  His power shall be mighty but not by his own power,                                                                                                                                He shall destroy fearfully,                                                                                                                                                                                And shall prosper and thrive;                                                                                                                                                                            He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people." Daniel 8:23, 24

"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,                                                                                                                           Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,                                                                                                                                            And shall intend to change times and law.                                                                                                                                              Then the saints shall be given into his hand                                                                                                                                                    For a time and times and a half a time." Daniel 7:25

About Rev. 13:3 >>> The seven heads represent seven nations. Its ten horns represent ten kings (presidents/leaders). One of the leaders becomes the Antichrist.

Facts: Biblical history surrounds Israel. God's chosen people have been defeated, enslaved by the Beast that has manifested itself as Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persian, Greece and Rome in different times. In current times, what countries surround Israel? Islamic. 

"All nations will come against Jerusalem. "And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut to pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it." Zech. 12:3

I am torn between this New World Order that we are now being controlled by as the Beast, that will usher us into this One World Government, a socialist utopian model, headed by the elites (Rothschilds and the ultra-rich like Gates) and Islam as the Beast. If Islam is not the Beast, then it is very likely that they will be manipulated to attack Israel and then later be destroyed by the Antichrist.

The other scenario in which the Beast is Islam, the Antichrist will come from  Iran, Syria, Turkey or Iraq and will join other Islamic nations together to attack Israel.  However, I can't imagine that a Mahdi could rule the world, any one of those countries don't have the power to do so. Antichrist would need to have control over the US, China, Russia, Britain, the European Union, etc. Satan is manipulating the entire world at this time. 

I am not sure who is the Antichrist, nor can anyone else name him. Soros, Gates or someone who is never mentioned in the Media, like the Rothschilds, who work behind the scenes comes to mind. It's a spiritual war unbeknownst to them and they are just pawns used by Satan. The Rothschilds and Soros are Jewish, however Soros is an atheist, Gates as well. ???

I believe this Covid-19 is diabolical. Satan works to control people by fear, lies and deception - all of which has surrounded this virus. I hear what this Great Reset has in store for us is Covid-21, a more deadly virus that would require ( when they get that vaccine) for everyone to take the vaccine. It is a dark cloud covering the world now. Someone interpreted the Rider on the White horse as the Antichrist, who has a crown (coronavirus), with a bow and goes out to conquer (as we have experienced). Then the Red Horse brings war - could be Red China. ??? What follows WWIII and world-wide collapsed economy? Famine (the Rider on the Black Horse), and Death (Pale Horse). Sad, but this will only last 3 1/2 years. 

I have studied this for 25 years and still don't have a grasp of it all, don't think anyone does! You'd think a pastor and excellent teacher like John MacArthur would have a grasp of it, but I see flaws in his view. I saw many flaws in Tim LaHaye's Left Behind Series. 

The religious end times figure from arab religion can be the 2nd beast of revelation 13 who shall be given authority of the 1st beast to rule the world. This means Arab religion will rule and those resist beheaded Arab style.

Edited January 23, 2021 by R. Hartono

[Diaste]

I didn't see Part 2.