Why good men go to hell?

[Frits]

54 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

  ****what is this argument about the people who lived before Jesus Christ Cross what about them? 

We have to walk this step by step.

Adam our forefather was created in the Life, the Creator had the Life and that what he gave to Adam.

Adam in the Life gave Life to Eve...

Eve inherit the Life from Adam and Adam from God.  

Each one of them Adam and Eve had the burden to remain in Life with their own obedience. 

Eve disobeyed first, for a brief time Eve was in death and Adam was in the Life, till Adam eat from the fruit and then both of them were in Death. 

This is it, their descendants inherited death from them, everyone one inherited death from them.  

As a rule the righteousness of man it does not remove the inherited death from anyone. 

(Important to Keep in mind that we discussing how things were before the Cross)

So we have righteous and unrighteous people on earth and both are in death.

They both belong to the death Inheritance.

Reminder: we are before the Cross, keep this in mind please.

Noah a righteous man with the inherited Death Inheritance, he was born in it and he died in it. 

The example of Abel, who died as a righteous person, born in Adam's Death Inheritance and he died in Adam's Death Inheritance. 

The Lord mourned for Abel (that's mine, for emphasis, because he knew that before it happens that after death Abel cannot be with him, because the righteousness of Man cannot give Life) for Abel was not with him after he died.

For the Lord asked Cain. Where is your brother after Abel's death. 

God asked the question because Abel was not with him. 

Enoch also a righteous man in Adam's death Inheritance, in righteousness but still in Adam's death Inheritance as righteousness does not remove death to give Life. 

God took him before he died.

If he was left to died he would have joined Abel in the place of the Captivity the death Inheritance for Man which is Hades. 

Only the Life giver can give Life to man and that's is Jesus Christ and only after the Cross, only after his death. 

Every one who died before the Cross including the righteous and everyone else in the world, The glorious Jesus Christ went to them after the Cross, Jesus preached the Gospel to all in the Place of the dead , and every who believed in him recieved of his Life at the same time they  received the forgiveness of sins, they must believe in him to be in him in his Life, to be partakers of his Life and of his Spirit of Adaptation.  And that can only happen after Jesus Christ death on the Cross. 

 

Brother Ycf,
I can see that there is so much love for the Lord Jesus in your heart. Praise Him, Praise God!

I welcome your input on this topic, thank you. I therefore intend to go into as much detail as possible, about everything you mentioned.

However, let's wait a moment for the excellent answer from bro.  @Josheb, regarding Moses.

For Moses is the living proof that, in OT, he was not a sinner but a righteous man.

"Why good men go to hell?",
Moses didn't go to hell!

God bless.

[Diaste]

17 hours ago, Frits said:

How "good" Diaste, do you want to have the people?  If they are given access to Paradise by the Lord Jesus and receive eternal life, do you think they are good enough?

I don't know 'good' to be able to give you an intelligent answer. I think people can make a choice to do a good thing but that would not make them 'good'. 

Jesus said in Matt 25 that the people that enter into His Father's house have done acts that showed love for others. The ones that did not get in missed their opportunity to do the same acts of love for their brothers. 

But, Jesus also said, "Well done, [thou] good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things"

But this word for good, 'agathos' is goodness that comes from God and compels behavior in a person. The intrinsic goodness is in the Most High and flows from Him to the believer. 

Then as I said man has the choice to act in a certain fashion and the spirit of God in the person empowers any act of love, or belief, and we are seen as righteous in God's eyes. 

But that's just the mechanics. I have no idea what the term 'good' means in this as I just have not 'seen', only heard and believed.

[Diaste]

 

17 hours ago, Still Alive said:

For me the biggest and most damaging false doctrine in the church is the "turn or burn" message. This clarifies: http://www.jewishnotgreek.com/

Yes. This has been a huge obstacle when talking with certain groups. It's a threat and has nothing to do with love or the truth of salvation in Jesus Christ.

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Roman's 5:14 

14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam. 

    *****

I'm going to call a foul here. This is a clear case of cherry picking. It makes no sense out of it's context. You must do better.

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not quite correct because death did not rein upon Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his and all Jacob's descendants excluding only those who were cut off from God according to the Law. 

Darn right it isn't correct as it has nothing to do with the point you are making.

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Exodus 3:6 

I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” When Moses heard this, he covered his face because he was afraid to look at God.

Jesus said in Mathew 22:32 that Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob the Patriarch of the Israelites are alive to him after their death, and by DEFAULT the descendants of Jacob. 

Yes. But only in faith and that doesn't remove the faith of the many that came before Abraham. 

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

God had cleansed Abraham's seed from the inherited death that was upon all heirs of Adam. 

From Abraham to Issac and Jacob and all his house. 

Mathew 22:32

   32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." 

God gave Abraham his own place from the rest of the world, because he was set apart from the rest of the world, he was alive to God after death. 

For Abraham it happened at the time God enter into the Covenant of Circumcision with Abraham. 

You're ignoring facts that don't fit your dogma; facts which have been presented in ample measure by me and others. 

[popsthebuilder]

On 1/6/2021 at 12:17 PM, Who me said:

Basic legal principal.  Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking the law.

This is a human, earth based legal principal.

 

It also applies to heavenly laws and is many clearer in that all heaven declares the Glory of God, and all creation praises him so that man is without any excuse.

 

As you say God is gracious and those who sincerely seek him will find him.

 

Scripture speaks of sin being done in ignorance as not nearly as bad as knowing sin.

[Still Alive]

5 hours ago, Frits said:

@Josheb

This OP is about the question,
 "Why good men go to hell?"
My answer to that is; good people don't go to hell, bad people go to hell!

Though I agree, I would add the following: Good people don't go to heaven. Bad people go to heave!

That is, heaven and hell is not about geography. It is about condition. And you are either saved to eternal life or you are destroyed, killed, do not survive the second death. And that is not determined by whether you are good or bad. It is based on, to use the reader's digest version, John 3:16. 

If you are trying to be good so you go to heaven, you're doing it wrong. If you are Christ's, you are saved. End of story. 

And NOBODY is "good" except God. We're all "bad". Every. Single. One. That's why we need Jesus.

[Frits]

39 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Hi Mike. You stated "2 Peter 3:9 God is patient not wanting any to perish, but for everyone to come to repentence"

So if God doesn't "want" anyone to perish, why won't He then save them? God is almighty and powerful. If He wants something to be done, it will be done. Also, according to what many believe,  "everyones"  sins are paid for.  That must mean that everyone will go to heaven. For why would Christ's ultimate , perfect sacrifice only work for so many people but not others? 

Walter,

No.  God the Father has given His Son Jesus Christ as a Sacrifice as a ransom for all man.  God thereby calls all people to come to Him and receive eternal life. But not everyone accepts that invitation! (Mark 10:45)

[Frits]

38 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

And NOBODY is "good" except God. We're all "bad". Every. Single. One. That's why we need Jesus.

Hi Still Alive,

I was once wicked, when I was not yet delivered from my sins by the Lord Jesus, and was not yet a follower of Him.
But that is a thing of the past, when I was still a sinner.  (Rm.5: 8, 7: 5)
But now that I have accepted the Lord Jesus as God and Savior, I am a righteous and good person.  Thank my Lord Jesus Christ for that! (Rm.5: 1)

 God bless you.

[Still Alive]

7 minutes ago, Frits said:

Hi Still Alive,

I was once wicked, when I was not yet delivered from my sins by the Lord Jesus, and was not yet a follower of Him.
But that is a thing of the past, when I was still a sinner.  (Rm.5: 8, 7: 5)
But now that I have accepted the Lord Jesus as God and Savior, I am a righteous and good person.  Thank my Lord Jesus Christ for that! (Rm.5: 1)

 God bless you.

Yes, because your robe has been washed in the blood. 

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Faith, not works. Works can't save you and works can't condemn you. It's all about faith. And faith IS proven through works. I say it this way: You know how much faith a man has in his brakes by how fast he drives.

[Your closest friendnt]

56 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Hi Mike. You stated "2 Peter 3:9 God is patient not wanting any to perish, but for everyone to come to repentence"

So if God doesn't "want" anyone to perish, why won't He then save them? God is almighty and powerful. If He wants something to be done, it will be done. Also, according to what many believe,  "everyones"  sins are paid for.  That must mean that everyone will go to heaven. For why would Christ's ultimate , perfect sacrifice only work for so many people but not others? 

God indeed did something, he sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for the forgiveness of our sins, for the sins of the whole world. 

That's why he commission his disciples and everyone who believes to inform the rest of the world. 

The message is not that you are in Jesus Christ by DEFAULT when Jesus Christ died on the Cross, no it is not.

The message is that now that  Jesus Christ has died on the Cross and the way to God has been established in him, and through him only.

Believe in Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of ones sins, that's how anyone is in him, is Saved for not being in him when he believes.

And if anyone is in him then his is in his Life and in his Heavenly Inheritance, he is in God because Jesus Christ is in God.