America Must Forgive

[Michael37]

I believe the Holy Spirit came to me with this message as I woke up this morning.

I've been praying and thinking about the troubles in America, all the riots and unrest, and the gaping loopholes in democracy, and so I'm encouraged and comforted to receive the mind of Christ on the matter. . . America Must Forgive.

[Alive]

Several threads in US Politics have been locked as they are repetitive and its been difficult to keep up with moderating.

Perhaps the tone of this OP will lead to some edifying posts.

 

[TheBlade]

HI its not you its me.. what do you mean by forgive? Forgive alone amen! I stand in the gap for America.

 

 

[other one]

On 1/14/2021 at 1:10 PM, Michael37 said:

I believe the Holy Spirit came to me with this message as I woke up this morning.

I've been praying and thinking about the troubles in America, all the riots and unrest, and the gaping loopholes in democracy, and so I'm encouraged and comforted to receive the mind of Christ on the matter. . . America Must Forgive.

I'm not really sure what you mean by forgive....   forgive what and forgive who?    BTW the USA is not a democracy, it's a constitutional republic.   Huge difference.

[Michael37]

4 hours ago, other one said:

I'm not really sure what you mean by forgive....   forgive what and forgive who?    BTW the USA is not a democracy, it's a constitutional republic.   Huge difference.

@TheBlade & @other one in particular:

America must forgive past grievances perhaps, the short comings of leaders maybe. Someone should make a list. 

Funny what names are given to political parties, and what things make them jump up and down saying things like the recent Capitol Riot was an assault on democracy.

Is the United States a Democracy?

The United States is a democracy, but it is not a true democracy. Instead, it is a representative democracy. The common forms of democracy are direct democracy and representative democracy. A direct democracy is a system of government in which the majority have their say on every matter concerning governance. Direct democracies hold referendums each time an issue has to be decided upon because there are no elective representatives. The United States is a representative democracy, as the public elects individuals to represent them at the government level. The United States is also a constitutional democracy, meaning that the functions and roles of the government are governed by the constitution that also protects the rights and privileges of the citizenry regardless of whether they are majority or minority.

Democratic Republics

Modern states present themselves as democratic republics governed by a constitution. The government can amend the constitution through acts of parliaments and referendums. As long as the constitution continues to protect the rights of the people, the citizenry continues to vote for representatives, and the constitution limits the power of the government, the United States remains both a republic and a democracy.

[Source: World Atlas.com ]

At Gettysburg, Lincoln enshrined the people’s rule in the fervent pledge that, “under God,” this democracy “shall not perish from the earth.”

 

[just_abc]

11 hours ago, other one said:

 BTW the USA is not a democracy, 

um.. I am thinking whether or not the Usa is considered a democracy might sometimes depend on which english language someone is using perhaps?

In many countries outside the Usa..  the definition of the term "democracy" includes representative democracies and not just direct democracy only. 

Sorry no offence intended..truly.  Just wanted to mention about the english language differences.  Especially since the internet is international.. and there are non-americans even on worthy.  

(Language differences can be um interesting .. at times!   )

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by just_abc

[other one]

7 hours ago, Michael37 said:

@TheBlade & @other one in particular:

America must forgive past grievances perhaps, the short comings of leaders maybe. Someone should make a list. 

Funny what names are given to political parties, and what things make them jump up and down saying things like the recent Capitol Riot was an assault on democracy.

Is the United States a Democracy?

The United States is a democracy, but it is not a true democracy. Instead, it is a representative democracy. The common forms of democracy are direct democracy and representative democracy. A direct democracy is a system of government in which the majority have their say on every matter concerning governance. Direct democracies hold referendums each time an issue has to be decided upon because there are no elective representatives. The United States is a representative democracy, as the public elects individuals to represent them at the government level. The United States is also a constitutional democracy, meaning that the functions and roles of the government are governed by the constitution that also protects the rights and privileges of the citizenry regardless of whether they are majority or minority.

Democratic Republics

Modern states present themselves as democratic republics governed by a constitution. The government can amend the constitution through acts of parliaments and referendums. As long as the constitution continues to protect the rights of the people, the citizenry continues to vote for representatives, and the constitution limits the power of the government, the United States remains both a republic and a democracy.

[Source: World Atlas.com ]

At Gettysburg, Lincoln enshrined the people’s rule in the fervent pledge that, “under God,” this democracy “shall not perish from the earth.”

 

Like I said, we are a constitutional Republic.   Democracies have not lasted throughout history and the Democratic party is trying to convert  the USA into a Democracy and no we are not going to forget or forgive.

Democracies have, throughout history, always failed and ended up in Dictatorships in which life for the general public is miserable.    Why would any sane person forgive and forget and let a group of people do that to them.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

Forgiveness is important, or at least a willingness to move on. Focusing on petty squabbles from the past and quid pro quo doesn't really get us anywhere.

At the same time 'moving on' doesn't mean we should forget the lessons of the past, or choose not to hold people accountable for actions. I think there's more to untangle legally with Trump, and I also think it's fair to judge Biden on his future actions, holding him accountable just like any other president. 

[other one]

4 hours ago, just_abc said:

um.. I am thinking whether or not the Usa is considered a democracy might sometimes depend on which english language someone is using perhaps?

In many countries outside the Usa..  the definition of the term "democracy" includes representative democracies and not just direct democracy only. 

Sorry no offence intended..truly.  Just wanted to mention about the english language differences.  Especially since the internet is international.. and there are non-americans even on worthy.  

(Language differences can be um interesting .. at times!   )

 

according to the Federalist Papers that were written by our founding Fathers....   if you haven't read through them you really should to learn what this country is supposed to be all about.

Progressives/communists have tried to blend those two together as part of their hopes in transitioning so a socialist state so it would be no big deal to submit our laws and government to UN oversight.

[missmuffet]

There is a lot of bitterness that Biden is now our President. People need to let it go and move on.