America Must Forgive

[just_abc]

On 22/01/2021 at 7:29 PM, other one said:

Democracies have, throughout history, always failed and ended up in Dictatorships in which life for the general public is miserable.    

There are many democracies.  For example The UK is a democracy.  A type of 'representative democracy'..  Or more specifically a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarchy.

 

21 hours ago, other one said:

Progressives/communists have tried to blend those two together as part of their hopes in transitioning so a socialist state so it would be no big deal to submit our laws and government to UN oversight.

I am not familiar with this?  sorry

 

However my earlier post was simply to try to point out that the terms 'republic' and 'democracy' can sometimes have a different meaning / definition outside the Usa... compared to how those words are often used inside the Usa.  

It is a language difference.

(A somewhat different example might be the word 'jelly'.. which also has a different meaning in uk english compared to american english).

 

So.. if I am not mistaken.. as far as I can tell..  I *think* the following might often be the general meanings?

 

democracy (american english) = direct democracy (uk english)

republic (american english) = representative democracy (uk english)

republic (uk english)        = countries which don't have a monarchy etc

 

Anyways  that's just my understanding thats all.  Sorry if off topic for this thread.

Thanks. 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by just_abc

[other one]

34 minutes ago, just_abc said:

The UK is a democracy.  A type of 'representative democracy'..  Or more specifically a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarchy.

 

I am not familiar with this?  sorry

 

However my earlier post was simply to try to point out that the terms 'republic' and 'democracy' can sometimes have a different meaning / definition outside the Usa... compared to how those words are often used inside the Usa.  

It is a language difference.

(A somewhat different example might be the word 'jelly'.. which also has a different meaning in uk english compared to american english).

 

So.. if I am not mistaken.. as far as I can tell..  I *think* the following might often be the general meanings?

 

democracy (american english) = direct democracy (uk english)

republic (american english) = representative democracy (uk english)

republic (uk english)        = countries which don't have a monarchy etc

 

Anyways  that's just my understanding thats all.  Sorry if off topic for this thread.

Thanks. 

 

 

That's interesting information.

Might I suggest you look into the Federalist Papers.     It will give you a deep understanding as to why we rebelled against the king and why we have the form of government that we have.    History later shows how we are screwing it up, but that's a whole other story.

[just_abc]

10 minutes ago, other one said:

That's interesting information.

Might I suggest you look into the Federalist Papers.     It will give you a deep understanding as to why we rebelled against the king and why we have the form of government that we have.    History later shows how we are screwing it up, but that's a whole other story.

 

hi other one 

Thanks for the suggestion!

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by just_abc

[Michael37]

11 hours ago, other one said:

Like I said, we are a constitutional Republic.   Democracies have not lasted throughout history and the Democratic party is trying to convert  the USA into a Democracy and no we are not going to forget or forgive.

Democracies have, throughout history, always failed and ended up in Dictatorships in which life for the general public is miserable.    Why would any sane person forgive and forget and let a group of people do that to them.

If the public get to vote for who they want as their representatives, that is democracy. There are loopholes in democracy because often the majority of voters are swayed by promises that are not kept, and their elected representatives pursue agendas that do not adhere to righteous policies and laws. 

As to who decides on what the constitution of a nation will be, historically this has been a source of tension, if not conflict, but I'm just the messenger. Those with discernment will be able to decide whether God is asking Americans afresh to put aside their differences and lead quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and honesty.

1Ti 2:1-4  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;  (2)  For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.  (3)  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  (4)  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

[other one]

11 hours ago, Michael37 said:

If the public get to vote for who they want as their representatives, that is democracy. There are loopholes in democracy because often the majority of voters are swayed by promises that are not kept, and their elected representatives pursue agendas that do not adhere to righteous policies and laws. 

As to who decides on what the constitution of a nation will be, historically this has been a source of tension, if not conflict, but I'm just the messenger. Those with discernment will be able to decide whether God is asking Americans afresh to put aside their differences and lead quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and honesty.

1Ti 2:1-4  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;  (2)  For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.  (3)  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  (4)  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Read through the Federalist Papers and we can talk.

[TheBlade]

Thanks Michael37 "America must forgive past grievances perhaps, the short comings of leaders maybe. Someone should make a list. Funny what names are given to political parties, and what things make them jump up and down saying things like the recent Capitol Riot was an assault on democracy."

No ones going to disagree when it comes to forgiveness but there seems to be some agenda going on here Biden's team has to know so many of those ex orders (by far the most in history on a presidents first day) that were signed will not can not help America. Be one thing if the world was on one page and the USA was not. God our Father wanted to be Israels king but they picked someone else... I know Hes God yet we are made in His image so for me that would hurt.. I always wondered how God truly felt with that anyway I wonder if God let us do what we wanted and will now have to reap the reward. 

I remember in this small bible study Jean.. grandmother that prayed 4 hours a day would say to me that repenting is turning over a knew leaf. So I picture forgiveness would be so wonderful but a change has to happen. And all this is mute for just like love true forgiveness comes from Him. He has to be at the start of it. So with out Him.. no one will ever mean it. By that I mean Christ is the vine.. no branch can have any fruit by its self. It HAS to start with Him. So no matter what man tries to do..it GOD is not at the heart to get all the glory it will as it always has failed.  We best be praying..

[Michael37]

5 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Thanks Michael37 "America must forgive past grievances perhaps, the short comings of leaders maybe. Someone should make a list. Funny what names are given to political parties, and what things make them jump up and down saying things like the recent Capitol Riot was an assault on democracy."

No ones going to disagree when it comes to forgiveness but there seems to be some agenda going on here Biden's team has to know so many of those ex orders (by far the most in history on a presidents first day) that were signed will not can not help America. Be one thing if the world was on one page and the USA was not. God our Father wanted to be Israels king but they picked someone else... I know Hes God yet we are made in His image so for me that would hurt.. I always wondered how God truly felt with that anyway I wonder if God let us do what we wanted and will now have to reap the reward. 

I remember in this small bible study Jean.. grandmother that prayed 4 hours a day would say to me that repenting is turning over a knew leaf. So I picture forgiveness would be so wonderful but a change has to happen. And all this is mute for just like love true forgiveness comes from Him. He has to be at the start of it. So with out Him.. no one will ever mean it. By that I mean Christ is the vine.. no branch can have any fruit by its self. It HAS to start with Him. So no matter what man tries to do..it GOD is not at the heart to get all the glory it will as it always has failed.  We best be praying..

Those seem like good thoughts to me, @TheBlade God does indeed allow nations to have their way, warning of consequences, and grieving at times as a Father chastening children in love.  Hebrews 12:3-9

[other one]

On 1/22/2021 at 2:39 PM, just_abc said:

However my earlier post was simply to try to point out that the terms 'republic' and 'democracy' can sometimes have a different meaning / definition outside the Usa... compared to how those words are often used inside the Usa.  

that's why it's nearly impossible to have a conversation about it because even after one defines what they mean by Democracy and Republic, everyone keeps throwing all the exceptions.  Most people I know that have studied politics consider the term Democracy to be a pure democracy and a Republic to be a representative form of government.

In general it is dangerous not to teach people the difference for if they don't understand they will think that the majority rules in all cases...   when a country/nation gets to that point they are doomed to failure.

[Justin Adams]

23 minutes ago, other one said:

that's why it's nearly impossible to have a conversation about it because even after one defines what they mean by Democracy and Republic, everyone keeps throwing all the exceptions.  Most people I know that have studied politics consider the term Democracy to be a pure democracy and a Republic to be a representative form of government.

In general it is dangerous not to teach people the difference for if they don't understand they will think that the majority rules in all cases...   when a country/nation gets to that point they are doomed to failure.

Early on I believe 'mob-ocracy' was frowned upon so the idea of a representative republic seemed far more equitable.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Michael37]

8 hours ago, other one said:

that's why it's nearly impossible to have a conversation about it because even after one defines what they mean by Democracy and Republic, everyone keeps throwing all the exceptions.  Most people I know that have studied politics consider the term Democracy to be a pure democracy and a Republic to be a representative form of government.

In general it is dangerous not to teach people the difference for if they don't understand they will think that the majority rules in all cases...   when a country/nation gets to that point they are doomed to failure.

I hope you will forgive these dictionary publishers for their captions and definitions, other one.

Source: The Free Dictionary by Farlex.

democracy

government by the people: The United States is a democracy.

Not to be confused with:

anarchy – the absence of laws or government: The fall of the empire was followed by chaos and anarchy.

aristocracy – rule by elite or privileged upper class: The governing body was composed of the country’s most powerful aristocracy.

oligarchy – government by the few: The citizens have no voice in an oligarchy.

plutocracy – government in which the wealthy class rules: In a plutocracy, there is little regard for the poor.

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de·moc·ra·cy

  (dĭ-mŏk′rə-sē)

n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

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[French démocratie, from Late Latin dēmocratia, from Greek dēmokratiā : dēmos, people; see dā- in Indo-European roots + -kratiā, -cracy.]

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