Who is the anti-christ?

[grumix8]

For this modern times people say Putin and Trump but also the black pope could be the antichrist. The one who is behind the vatican they could be the anitchrist but who knows.

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, luigi said:

The antichrist is everything that is contrary to what Christ is and lived. He is anti love, as God is love. He would therefore be a hate your neighbor individual.

I think it is much more specific than just against love. 

Jesus Christ (the anointed one) and disciples after Pentecost are anointed with the Holy Spirit - there are many anti-Christs refers to people and heresies that oppose the need for Holy Spirit baptism with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Supposed disciples were already denying the truth. See 1John.

The anti-Christ - the number of a man - has been with us for over a thousand years; for He (his office, his doctrines, his authority) opposes the truth of scripture. That disciples MUST be born new by full immersion water baptism with a confession of their faith in Christ Jesus as their Lord and Saviour [babies find this bit hard to do] and born from above by the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.

The Popes and all that they represent oppose the gospel once delivered to the saints.  And the women clad in scarlet and purple is a city that sits on seven hills - Rome. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

Rev 16:12  The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 
16:13  And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 
16:14  For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 

the dragon > Satan and his lot

the beast > Rome and the Papacy - worldly power? NATO ? 

the false prophet > Mohammed the prophet of God [a.k.a. Allah] 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 hours ago, Waggles said:

the dragon > Satan and his lot

the beast > Rome and the Papacy - worldly power? NATO ? 

the false prophet > Mohammed the prophet of God [a.k.a. Allah] 

The Dragon - Satan (Spiritual) force behind the Beast and False Prophet

The Beast - One World Government (European/Islamic Alliance) Iron mixed with clay. 

The False Prophet - One World Religious Leader (Maybe Pope or an Islamic Leader or a combination of the two trying to bring all religions under one)  Islam with see the person as their promised Mahdi and many Roman Catholic, Jews and Christians will see him as the Messiah.

Edited March 8, 2021 by Jedi4Yahweh

[David1701]

19 hours ago, JohnD said:

1 John 2:18 (AV)
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Yes, there are many anti-Christs; but, only one office of anti-Christ.  There are many men of sin, but only one Man of Sin.  There are many who are sons of perdition, etc.

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I studied Dave Hunt's material on the subject and as I said the ultimate antichrist may be crowned as pope in addition to the rest of the god titles he will bestow upon himself (2 Thessalonians 2:4). But that will only be after he reneges on his covenant with the Jews (Daniel 9:27) some 1185 days later resulting in the abatement of Temple sacrifice (Daniel 12:11).

The anti-Christ sits in the temple of God (i.e. has a seat of great authority, in the professing Church).  He has to be a professing Christian, in great authority.

The so-called "Pope" claims to the Vicar of Christ (which means "Instead of Christ", which is the same meaning as "anti-Christ") and Holy Father, titles of blasphemy, one belonging to the Lord and the other to God the Father.  He calls on false religions to unite in purpose and to tolerate each other (i.e. as one in authority over them).

Daniel 9.27 is a very difficult verse, one upon which I would not want to hang my hat; however, I will note that some interpret it to refer to the the Lord Jesus and not the anti-Christ.  Jesus started his ministry about 3 1/2 years before the cross, which ended the OT sacrifices, then, for about another 3 1/2 years the apostles still reached out to the Jews, until Acts 13:46-48.

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Revelation 13:18 is a sign about the first Jewish Temple builder 666. Two of the four references to the number 666 in all of scripture point to Solomon (his gold wage). The first and second Temples were destroyed 666 (360-day prophetic) years apart to the day (Tisha b'Av). Revelation 13:18 indicates he will be the builder of what some call the Tribulation Temple.

How do you suppose a Pope will accomplish this?

 

Rev. 13:18 is another very difficult verse, with numerous interpretations and attempts to identify who, or what, is represented by 666.

[David1701]

18 hours ago, Waggles said:

The Papacy as we know it - the Bishop of Rome being the supreme bishop over all others began with Pope Boniface III -

Pope Boniface III was a man who served as the 66th pope in February 607. He only held the position for 266 days before he died in November 607 AD.

In an official decree issued by the pope, he made Rome the head or the supreme church over all churches in the Byzantine Empire. This decree also stated that the bishop of Rome was the Universal Bishop, and had authority on doctrine, etc. over all other bishops.

Boniface's other notable act resulted from his close relationship with Emperor Phocas. He sought and obtained a decree from Phocas which restated that "the See of Blessed Peter the Apostle should be the head of all the Churches". This ensured that the title of "universal bishop" belonged exclusively to the bishop of Rome, and effectively ended the attempt by Patriarch Cyriacus of Constantinople to establish himself as "universal bishop".

That would be a confirmation and establishment of the authority conveyed on the Bishop of Rome, by Emperor Justinian, in 538 A.D..

[Deadworm]

Great harm has come to the cause of Christ by reading biblical prophecy as a newspaper of current events.  Throughout the last 2 centuries, preachers have argued that all the biblical signs have been fulfilled for Christ's return and the coming of the Antichrist.  Israel took control of Jerusalem in the War of 1967 and that generation was supposedly the generation (40 years) of Christ's return.  Yet that generation has passed away now with no fulfillment.  As a youth, I was very excited about modern fulfillment of Bible prophecy.  But preachers have futilely cried "Wolf!" for so many decades that I now wonder if thousands of years will pass with no return of Christ.  Unfulfilled biblical prophecy has forced me to  contend with an unwanted spirit of cynicism about all such matters.  I  no longer expect Christ's imminent return and content myself with the hope I will be in His presence after death.

As for the Antichrist's identity, consider the scholarly consensus that "666" is the numerical equivalent of "Emperor Nero" in Hebrew by gematria.  Then when the Bible was translated into Latin, the number was changed to "616," the numerical equivalent of "Emperor Nero" in Latin.  The Beast of Rev. 13 is mortally wounded and miraculously brought back to life to finish off Christians.  Well, after Nero's suicide, there 3 Nero impersonators who terrified believers by trying to regain control of the Empire.  So Nero is "the Beast" and the only question is whether we must anticipate a new Antichrist with the same spirit as Nero in modern times.

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, Waggles said:

Rev 16:12  The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 
16:13  And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 
16:14  For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 

the dragon > Satan and his lot

the beast > Rome and the Papacy - worldly power? NATO ? 

the false prophet > Mohammed the prophet of God [a.k.a. Allah] 

Now please understand I have NOT studied Revelation but I can offer a uninformed comment (which is probably as good as my informed comments, but that is another story).... I don't believe the "false prophet" is in any way Mohammed..... there have been many false prophets - Buddha, the gazillion ones within the Hindu religion, Confucius, on and on.... so why would one isolate on Mohammed? The false prophet, in my opinion, is one who will attempt to be one "like Jesus". He will "come in His Name", speak lies, etc. Meaning he will not just be ANOTHER nutcase, he will take God's Word and mix in his own words..... just like satan did in the desert when he tempted Jesus... use God's own Words against Him.... 

I don't see folks looking at Mohammed as Jesus.... he and all the rest were just confused.......  

Just my thoughts, Charlie  

[canada]

I believe the Vatican hierarchy is the "false prophet".

The word "vatic" means ... prophet or prophesy.

Each and every pope is considered to be the living speaking "image" of peter.  Peter died ... yet comes back to life as the papal "peter".

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

17 hours ago, Deadworm said:

Great harm has come to the cause of Christ by reading biblical prophecy as a newspaper of current events.  Throughout the last 2 centuries, preachers have argued that all the biblical signs have been fulfilled for Christ's return and the coming of the Antichrist.  Israel took control of Jerusalem in the War of 1967 and that generation was supposedly the generation (40 years) of Christ's return.  Yet that generation has passed away now with no fulfillment.  As a youth, I was very excited about modern fulfillment of Bible prophecy.  But preachers have futilely cried "Wolf!" for so many decades that I now wonder if thousands of years will pass with no return of Christ.  Unfulfilled biblical prophecy has forced me to  contend with an unwanted spirit of cynicism about all such matters.  I  no longer expect Christ's imminent return and content myself with the hope I will be in His presence after death.

As for the Antichrist's identity, consider the scholarly consensus that "666" is the numerical equivalent of "Emperor Nero" in Hebrew by gematria.  Then when the Bible was translated into Latin, the number was changed to "616," the numerical equivalent of "Emperor Nero" in Latin.  The Beast of Rev. 13 is mortally wounded and miraculously brought back to life to finish off Christians.  Well, after Nero's suicide, there 3 Nero impersonators who terrified believers by trying to regain control of the Empire.  So Nero is "the Beast" and the only question is whether we must anticipate a new Antichrist with the same spirit as Nero in modern times.

Sounds like you have changed your views to a preterist view where biblical prophecy regarding the second coming has already been fulfilled in 70AD with the destruction of the Jerusalem and Emperor Nero was the Anti-Christ. 

I am not a preterist but I do believe some biblical prophecy has been fulfilled  in 70 AD.  Mat 24, Luk21, Mark 13 are addressing two different events asked by the Apostles and Jesus addressed both issues.

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down." As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, AND what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" - Mat 24:1-3 ESV

1 )   When will be the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. 
     --Most of this is addressed in the first part of the Mat24. 
     --And has been fulfilled around 70AD.
     --There will not be a third temple before his coming. 

2)  And what will be the sign of your coming and the end of age.
     --Most of this is addressed in the later part of Mat24, Luk21 and Mark 13.
     --Regarding the Signs of his coming. 
        --Gospel Preached to Ends of the Earth, Great Tribulation upon whole world, Sun and Moon Darkened, Great Signs in the Heaven and Earth,  Great Earth Quake, Second Coming, Gathering of the elect from the 4 corners of the earth.
     --This has yet to be fulfilled.   

We Christians like to lump them together as the same event but not so in my opinion, first part of the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem happened in 70AD under Emperor Nero the rest has yet to happen.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Jedi4Yahweh