Futurism

[leah777]

5 minutes ago, Alive said:

I will say this about that: In my 47 years 'In Christ' while the Lord has taught me much in scripture, I have never either been led to study Revelation or been able to make any sense of it. Of course I have read it many times over the years, but there was never any witness or sense in it--for myself.

I always wondered about that and a year or so ago, asked the Lord for clarity---crickets.

I can't honestly intellectually or otherwise conclude anything of this---but it hangs out there in front of my face.

:-)

It is not your time to be taught to make sense of it yet. God has other uses for you for now. Blessing to you.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, leah777 said:

It is not your time to be taught to make sense of it yet. God has other uses for you for now. Blessing to you.

Thank you, sister.

[Justin Adams]

4 minutes ago, Alive said:

I can't honestly intellectually or otherwise conclude anything of this---but it hangs out there in front of my face.

:-)

You are not alone. Considering the travesty of 'some' writers and their attempts at a definite futurism view of Daniel and Revelation, I find that is disingenuous at best and misleading at worst. I am listening to the topic of Josephus' accounts of the fall of Jerusalem and around that time of 70AD. It was/is horrific and I can only take a few minutes at a time of that. Now THAT is apocalyptical for sure.

Why was I never taught that in church? If you can answer that question then we both slide into the twilight zone.

[David1701]

6 minutes ago, Alive said:

I will say this about that: In my 47 years 'In Christ' while the Lord has taught me much in scripture, I have never either been led to study Revelation or been able to make any sense of it. Of course I have read it many times over the years, but there was never any witness or sense in it--for myself.

I always wondered about that and a year or so ago, asked the Lord for clarity---crickets.

I can't honestly intellectually or otherwise conclude anything of this---but it hangs out there in front of my face.

:-)

The first three chapters of Revelation are easily understood; and much of the symbolism in the rest of the book has already been used in the OT.  Parts are still very difficult (and I'm unsure about some of it), but then it is supposed be a book that requires wisdom to understand (more so than the other NT books).

[David1701]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

You are not alone. Considering the travesty of 'some' writers and their attempts at a definite futurism view of Daniel and Revelation, I find that is disingenuous at best and misleading at worst. I am listening to the topic of Josephus' accounts of the fall of Jerusalem and around that time of 70AD. It was/is horrific and I can only take a few minutes at a time of that. Now THAT is apocalyptical for sure.

Why was I never taught that in church? If you can answer that question then we both slide into the twilight zone.

Some assemblies do teach Historicism, but they tend also to teach God's sovereignty in salvation (and many professing Christians don't want to accept this). 

The "free will" places almost all seem to teach Futurism.

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, David1701 said:

The "free will" places almost all seem to teach Futurism.

Sadly, you may be correct. They finish their closing prayer with, "see you next week unless the rapture happens.."

That always grated on me!

[leah777]

7 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

I am listening to the topic of Josephus' accounts of the fall of Jerusalem and around that time of 70AD. It was/is horrific and I can only take a few minutes at a time of that. Now THAT is apocalyptical for sure.

Why was I never taught that in church?

because its just about a bunch of Jesus hating Christ killing Jews so who cares if they died in horrible ways!!! (yes, sarcasm and sadness in tone for that)

There is much anti-Semitism in some churches even now : (

[David1701]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

Sadly, you may be correct. They finish their closing prayer with, "see you next week unless the rapture happens.."

That always grated on me!

When I attended "free will" places, I thought that Futurism was true (because I was very young in the faith and that's what everyone said), so that kind of thing didn't grate; but it would now!

I believe that Darby was a sincere man, who sought God and had some insight (in other areas); but, his Dispensationalism has caused widespread damage.

[Alive]

24 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

You are not alone. Considering the travesty of 'some' writers and their attempts at a definite futurism view of Daniel and Revelation, I find that is disingenuous at best and misleading at worst. I am listening to the topic of Josephus' accounts of the fall of Jerusalem and around that time of 70AD. It was/is horrific and I can only take a few minutes at a time of that. Now THAT is apocalyptical for sure.

Why was I never taught that in church? If you can answer that question then we both slide into the twilight zone.

What part are you reading?

[Justin Adams]

11 minutes ago, leah777 said:

There is much anti-Semitism in some churches even now : (

I have felt it. My dad that I never knew was Israeli, and I have a soft/hard spot for the peoples of Israel. But it is something almost spiritual, because I have crossed paths in my much travelled life as an engineer - with some people's overt aggression that would spring forth for no apparent reason. It is scary and takes me by surprise.