Futurism

[Diaste]

24 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Thank you.  Who did they say they were being made to worship?  or didn't they think that part was important?  ( that being the only thing that tells 'the season' so seems unreasonable to skip)

That's the thing, the prophecies are usually broken into constituents and examined in isolation avoiding connection to the whole. We shouldn't approach eschatology in bits and pieces with a microscope, it's an amazing look into a future where everything works together for a purpose.

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

Our future seems to be a Cosmic battle for all the marbles.

However, I am old and may die first so will not see it all.

Yes, so there is a lot that has been prophesied and pictured in type that is still to occur sometime in earth's future and only God knows the day and the hour.  It hasn't all been fulfilled yet.  So what is wrong with being a "futurist" or at least a "partial futurist"?  (not that I like labels and pigeon holes).  I don't get it.  Just that some things have been fulfilled, but with plenty more to come.....the biggest most important things that will wrap up the age, and fulfill so many prophecies, are still to come apparently.  I don't see there needs to be a quibble with "futurism" in that case.

[Justin Adams]

39 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

For us to be in the millennium right now, then there would be no flesh and blood because no flesh and blood in the Kingdom of God.  

Yeshua said, "Behold the kingdom is nigh unto you".

The apostle said, "You have been translated into the kingdom of His Dear Son".

Furthermore, Yeshua has been seated at the right hand of the Father. He is ruling and reigning right now. His Kingdom is established. RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS NOW and not some future story. The futurist hinders the gospel and probably helps people procrastinate. Especially the rapture stuff - "don't worry, we will be outta here soon. Just don't get involved in this fallen world."

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Luke 22:69 ESV 

But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

Romans 8:34 ESV 

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Psalm 110:1 ESV 

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

Colossians 3:1 ESV 

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 12:2 ESV 

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Matthew 26:64 ESV 

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 2:33 ESV 

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

1 Peter 3:22 ESV 

Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Hebrews 10:12 ESV 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 8:1 ESV 

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Mark 16:19 ESV 

So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 ESV 

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Revelation 3:21 ESV 

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Matthew 22:44 ESV 

“‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet’?

Acts 7:55-56 ESV

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Ephesians 1:20 ESV 

That he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Mark 14:62 ESV 

And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 5:31 ESV 

God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 28:18 ESV 

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Hebrews 1:13 ESV 

And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

1 John 2:1 ESV 

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

John 10:30 ESV

I and the Father are one.”

Isaiah 62:8 ESV 

The Lord has sworn by his right hand and by his mighty arm: “I will not again give your grain to be food for your enemies, and foreigners shall not drink your wine for which you have labored;

Exodus 15:6 ESV 

Your right hand, O Lord, glorious in power, your right hand, O Lord, shatters the enemy.

Isaiah 48:13 ESV 

My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

Hebrews 10:12-13 ESV 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.

Luke 20:42 ESV 

For David himself says in the Book of Psalms, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,

Psalm 60:5 ESV 

That your beloved ones may be delivered, give salvation by your right hand and answer us!

Acts 7:55 ESV 

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 2:34 ESV 

For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,

John 20:17 ESV 

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 14:28 ESV 

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:9 ESV 

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Hebrews 7:25 ESV 

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Colossians 2:9 ESV 

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

John 4:24 ESV 

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 3:16-17 ESV 

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

John 1:1 ESV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psalm 98:1 ESV 

A Psalm. Oh sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things! His right hand and his holy arm have worked salvation for him.

John 20:28 ESV 

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:14 ESV 

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Mark 12:36 ESV 

David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet.’

Matthew 25:31 ESV 

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

Psalm 44:3 ESV 

For not by their own sword did they win the land, nor did their own arm save them, but your right hand and your arm, and the light of your face, for you delighted in them.

Psalm 16:8 ESV

I have set the Lord always before me; because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken.

John 5:18 ESV 

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

1 Kings 2:19 ESV

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:18 ESV 

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV 

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Psalm 118:15-16 ESV 

Glad songs of salvation are in the tents of the righteous: “The right hand of the Lord does valiantly, the right hand of the Lord exalts, the right hand of the Lord does valiantly!”

Psalm 109:31 ESV 

For he stands at the right hand of the needy one, to save him from those who condemn his soul to death.

Psalm 89:13 ESV 

You have a mighty arm; strong is your hand, high your right hand.

Psalm 73:23 ESV 

Nevertheless, I am continually with you; you hold my right hand.

Psalm 63:8 ESV 

My soul clings to you; your right hand upholds me.

Revelation 1:1 ESV 

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Acts 2:38 ESV 

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Kingdom is HERE, right NOW.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Diaste]

44 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

The errors of futurism are impossible to cover in a single post. One reason why certain topics accumulate a staggering burden of pages has to do with repetition: new posters arrive asking old questions; other posters respond with old answers; 13 pages becomes 50 which turns into 85. The longer a topic, the more difficult it is to become apprised of the contents. I liken it to a merry-go-around that never stops spinning. 

Therefore it's necessary to address one issue at any given time. Most are probably familiar with the harmony of the scriptures --- scripture does not disagree with scripture --- and this harmony is something which futurism often violates. For example, let's look at the reign of Jesus Christ.

A popular futurist view: the Lord returns to establish the millennial kingdom on earth prior to the resurrection of the dead (the White Throne judgment). This view violates the harmony of the scriptures. Not an exhaustive list, but it will do. 

The kingdom of God is not of this world. 

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” (John 18:36 NKJV)

The kingdom of God is not observed with these eyes. 

Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:20-21 NKJV)

Jesus Christ ascended to heaven to sit with our Father. God's throne is in heaven; the Lord reigns over all of creation from His throne. He is the Almighty for all things serve Him. 

So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. (Mark 16:19 NJKV) 

But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” (Acts 7:55-56 NKJV)

“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?"
(Isaiah 66:1 NKJV)

‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers,
And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know
That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will,
And sets over it the lowest of men.’
(Daniel 4:17 NJKV) 

Forever, O Lord,
Your word is settled in heaven.
Your faithfulness endures to all generations;
You established the earth, and it abides.
They continue this day according to Your ordinances,
For all are Your servants.
(Psalm 119:89-91 NKJV)

This belief in a geopolitical kingdom of the earth was a stumbling stone for those who called themselves Jews (but weren't), who expected the Messiah to come and re-establish the Davidic kingdom of old. That Peter (who was indeed a Jew) harbored such an expectation himself is demonstrated in his rebuking of the Lord (Matthew 16:23) and his drawing of a sword to strike those who arrived to arrest our Savior (John 18:10). 

It persists to this day in the futurist belief that modern geopolitical Israel is the same Israel of God which it is clearly not; Israel is not accounted after the flesh for we are Jews inwardly (Romans 2:29). Peter and the apostles were demonstrated to be Jews as were those Hebrews who believed in the Son whom our Father sent (yes, even some of the Pharisees were Jews). We, being wild branches --- gentiles --- are grafted into the same tree to which our Hebrew brethren belong (Romans 11:17). 

Christ started to reign when He ascended to sit with our Father in heaven. Those who were Jews (but were not) stumbled again, not grasping that the Word made flesh is the Son of David and also his Lord! (Matthew 22:41-45)

The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies!
(Psalm 110:1-2 NKJV)

Not an exhaustive treatment by any means, but then much of this has already been covered in this topic so the merry-go-round continues to spin.  

Not sure how any of the above abrogates physical fulfillment of eschatology. What you posted is overarching spiritual truths about the kingdom, true Israel and the person Jesus Christ and His nature and kingship, not a refutation of the indications eschatological utterance will be literally fulfilled.

The ancient prophecies of Jesus of Nazareth were literally fulfilled or there is no covering for sin or a resurrection. Those prophecies were fulfilled in a real and physical time/space moment but eschatology is are spiritually fulfilled? Or in the deep past? Or not at all?

 

[Diaste]

10 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Yeshua said, "Behold the kingdom is nigh unto you".

The apostle said, "You have been translated into the kingdom of His Dear Son".

Furthermore, Yeshua has been seated at the right hand of the Father. He is ruling and reigning right now. His Kingdom is established. RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS NOW and not some future story. The futurist hinders the gospel and probably helps people procrastinate. Especially the rapture stuff - "don't worry, we will be outta here soon. Just don't get involved in this fallen world."

________________

Luke 22:69 ESV 

But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

Romans 8:34 ESV 

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Psalm 110:1 ESV 

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

Colossians 3:1 ESV 

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 12:2 ESV 

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Matthew 26:64 ESV 

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 2:33 ESV 

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

1 Peter 3:22 ESV 

Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Hebrews 10:12 ESV 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 8:1 ESV 

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Mark 16:19 ESV 

So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 ESV 

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Revelation 3:21 ESV 

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Matthew 22:44 ESV 

“‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet’?

Acts 7:55-56 ESV

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Ephesians 1:20 ESV 

That he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Mark 14:62 ESV 

And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 5:31 ESV 

God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 28:18 ESV 

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Hebrews 1:13 ESV 

And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

1 John 2:1 ESV 

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

John 10:30 ESV

I and the Father are one.”

Isaiah 62:8 ESV 

The Lord has sworn by his right hand and by his mighty arm: “I will not again give your grain to be food for your enemies, and foreigners shall not drink your wine for which you have labored;

Exodus 15:6 ESV 

Your right hand, O Lord, glorious in power, your right hand, O Lord, shatters the enemy.

Isaiah 48:13 ESV 

My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

Hebrews 10:12-13 ESV 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.

Luke 20:42 ESV 

For David himself says in the Book of Psalms, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,

Psalm 60:5 ESV 

That your beloved ones may be delivered, give salvation by your right hand and answer us!

Acts 7:55 ESV 

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 2:34 ESV 

For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,

John 20:17 ESV 

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 14:28 ESV 

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:9 ESV 

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Hebrews 7:25 ESV 

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Colossians 2:9 ESV 

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

John 4:24 ESV 

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 3:16-17 ESV 

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

John 1:1 ESV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psalm 98:1 ESV 

A Psalm. Oh sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things! His right hand and his holy arm have worked salvation for him.

John 20:28 ESV 

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:14 ESV 

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Mark 12:36 ESV 

David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet.’

Matthew 25:31 ESV 

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

Psalm 44:3 ESV 

For not by their own sword did they win the land, nor did their own arm save them, but your right hand and your arm, and the light of your face, for you delighted in them.

Psalm 16:8 ESV

I have set the Lord always before me; because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken.

John 5:18 ESV 

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

1 Kings 2:19 ESV

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:18 ESV 

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV 

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Psalm 118:15-16 ESV 

Glad songs of salvation are in the tents of the righteous: “The right hand of the Lord does valiantly, the right hand of the Lord exalts, the right hand of the Lord does valiantly!”

Psalm 109:31 ESV 

For he stands at the right hand of the needy one, to save him from those who condemn his soul to death.

Psalm 89:13 ESV 

You have a mighty arm; strong is your hand, high your right hand.

Psalm 73:23 ESV 

Nevertheless, I am continually with you; you hold my right hand.

Psalm 63:8 ESV 

My soul clings to you; your right hand upholds me.

Revelation 1:1 ESV 

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Acts 2:38 ESV 

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

Truth. But what about this:

"11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and TRUE, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12<1161> His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies [which were ] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." -Rev 19

"Behold, the Lord is coming with myriads of His holy ones 15to execute judgment on everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of every ungodly act of wickedness and every harsh word spoken against Him by ungodly sinners." - Jude

"On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south. 5You will flee by My mountain valley, for it will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with Him." - Zech 14

"Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.d 17And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, then the rain will not fall on them. 18And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter in, then the rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."

You post the truth, just not all of it.

 

[Justin Adams]

7 minutes ago, Diaste said:

The ancient prophecies of Jesus of Nazareth were literally fulfilled or there is no covering for sin or a resurrection. Those prophecies were fulfilled in a real and physical time/space moment but eschatology is are spiritually fulfilled? Or in the deep past? Or not at all?

There is precious little about the first advent for a very good reason. "Had they but known, they never would have killed the Lord of Glory".

So it will be cryptic for the second advent and meanwhile the futurists distract us from proclaiming the gospel and invent rapture stuff and all kinds of ideas to ignore the Kingdom and have us worrying about an unclear future. Read the Geneva commentaries and not the Darby ones or Scofield.

[Marathoner]

Yes indeed, the kingdom of God is within us (Luke 17:21). Who dwells with us? The Spirit of Christ. Who dwells with Christ? Us! Furthermore, we are a royal priesthood and a holy nation.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10 NKJV)

Blessed and holy are those who have a part in the first resurrection: the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, the first born of many brethren (Romans 8:29). We are buried with Him in death; we are raised with Him in Life (Colossians 2:12). 

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 NKJV)

 

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1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

There are many variations. I do not see inspiration as a paranormal event. I see it as a process. It continues even today.

God will do as He pleases and His Spirit is well able to work around human fragility and foolishness.

My wife asked me just a few moments ago--if I read enoch along with the Bible and why enoch was not included in the Bible. I reminded her that both Peter and Jude quoted enoch and the the Lord allowed that into the canon we now have as our bible.

She asked again, why the folks back when didn't include enoch---I said that I don't really know, but that we are always and continually learning and that perhaps Enoch will have more to teach the Church as events unfold and shine additional light on what we will be seeing and experiencing. Something else that has been roaming in my mind is what Jude said about the body of Moses. Where did Jude learn about that and why did the Lord allow it to be included in our bibles.

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6 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Yeshua said, "Behold the kingdom is nigh unto you".

The apostle said, "You have been translated into the kingdom of His Dear Son".

Furthermore, Yeshua has been seated at the right hand of the Father. He is ruling and reigning right now. His Kingdom is established. RIGHT NOW.

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Luke 22:69 ESV 

But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

Romans 8:34 ESV 

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Psalm 110:1 ESV 

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

Colossians 3:1 ESV 

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 12:2 ESV 

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Matthew 26:64 ESV 

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 2:33 ESV 

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

1 Peter 3:22 ESV 

Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Hebrews 10:12 ESV 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 8:1 ESV 

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Mark 16:19 ESV 

So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 ESV 

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Revelation 3:21 ESV 

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Matthew 22:44 ESV 

“‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet’?

Acts 7:55-56 ESV

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Ephesians 1:20 ESV 

That he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Mark 14:62 ESV 

And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 5:31 ESV 

God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 28:18 ESV 

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Hebrews 1:13 ESV 

And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

1 John 2:1 ESV 

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

John 10:30 ESV

I and the Father are one.”

Isaiah 62:8 ESV 

The Lord has sworn by his right hand and by his mighty arm: “I will not again give your grain to be food for your enemies, and foreigners shall not drink your wine for which you have labored;

Exodus 15:6 ESV 

Your right hand, O Lord, glorious in power, your right hand, O Lord, shatters the enemy.

Isaiah 48:13 ESV 

My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

Hebrews 10:12-13 ESV 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.

Luke 20:42 ESV 

For David himself says in the Book of Psalms, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,

Psalm 60:5 ESV 

That your beloved ones may be delivered, give salvation by your right hand and answer us!

Acts 7:55 ESV 

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 2:34 ESV 

For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,

John 20:17 ESV 

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 14:28 ESV 

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:9 ESV 

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Hebrews 7:25 ESV 

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Colossians 2:9 ESV 

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

John 4:24 ESV 

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 3:16-17 ESV 

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

John 1:1 ESV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psalm 98:1 ESV 

A Psalm. Oh sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things! His right hand and his holy arm have worked salvation for him.

John 20:28 ESV 

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:14 ESV 

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Mark 12:36 ESV 

David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet.’

Matthew 25:31 ESV 

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

Psalm 44:3 ESV 

For not by their own sword did they win the land, nor did their own arm save them, but your right hand and your arm, and the light of your face, for you delighted in them.

Psalm 16:8 ESV

I have set the Lord always before me; because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken.

John 5:18 ESV 

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

1 Kings 2:19 ESV

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:18 ESV 

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV 

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Psalm 118:15-16 ESV 

Glad songs of salvation are in the tents of the righteous: “The right hand of the Lord does valiantly, the right hand of the Lord exalts, the right hand of the Lord does valiantly!”

Psalm 109:31 ESV 

For he stands at the right hand of the needy one, to save him from those who condemn his soul to death.

Psalm 89:13 ESV 

You have a mighty arm; strong is your hand, high your right hand.

Psalm 73:23 ESV 

Nevertheless, I am continually with you; you hold my right hand.

Psalm 63:8 ESV 

My soul clings to you; your right hand upholds me.

Revelation 1:1 ESV 

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Acts 2:38 ESV 

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Even here is states the 'difference' between the two.  

So that isn't Christ.  EVERY eye is not seeing Him right now, are they?    Or do you believe the Holy Spirit sent  is actually the only manifestation of Christ to ever be on the earth again?


He was walking and talking and eating and in a body
and it says 


Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Acts 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.


AS He left is as he is returning.  
the HOLY SPIRIT right now,  it is all nigh unto us.  That is very different than IN PERSON Lord and Saviour. 

Lord of lord and King of kings, The kingdom of God.  Remember if they would have accepted Him then, then HE WOULD have never left and would be here in body walking and  talking and teaching and performing miracles and all the rest.


I asked a bunch of questions a few pages ago any progress on those so far?

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2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

There is precious little about the first advent for a very good reason. "Had they but known, they never would have killed the Lord of Glory".

So it will be cryptic for the second advent and meanwhile the futurists distract us from proclaiming the gospel and invent rapture stuff and all kinds of ideas to ignore the Kingdom and have us worrying about an unclear future. Read the Geneva commentaries and not the Darby ones or Scofield.

If the prophecies are reliable then the future is seen with great clarity and is not clouded in the least. The Revelation, et.al., lays out a clear future with Christ at the head, many ministers, millions of believers, a pristine earthly plane, in a glorious peaceful eternity. How is that either unclear or undesirable?

People make up stuff all the time. Who cares? Are we going to fret about made up stuff in the name of Jesus and ignore the lies with which we are bombarded every moment by the news, corporations, employers, family, friends and lovers?

God is still our Father, Jesus is still the King, the Holy Spirit is our sure guide and all three can be relied on unequivocally. I care not for the wisdom of mankind and neither should any believer.