Futurism

[Justin Adams]

33 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

"yes but not yet understanding"

The 'already but not yet' figures abundantly in scriptures. From the Lord High God's Perspective it is Already; and from ours it not quite yet but in faith it is YES. A done deal because, "IT IS FINISHED". The cosmos is under repair and Yeshua is ruling right now.

(Ya can't have a Kingdom with a King on His Throne that just twiddles His fingers all day long.)

Edited April 11, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Justin Adams]

35 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

I agree with the point that there has been too much emphasis and at least partial wrong-headedness on eschatology in recent times, and it has been a diversion.

Yes. A major red herring that takes attention from the Lord's Kingdom and puts it on an imaginary beast and MOB stuff ad infinitum. Eschatology is often just a waste of time. Anyone that says they have it all figured out can be safely ignored.

[Alive]

41 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Anyone that says they have it all figured out

This has got to be held to be true...its evident by the myriad of offerings.

:-)

[Heleadethme]

4 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Yes indeed, the kingdom of God is within us (Luke 17:21). Who dwells with us? The Spirit of Christ. Who dwells with Christ? Us! Furthermore, we are a royal priesthood and a holy nation.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10 NKJV)

Blessed and holy are those who have a part in the first resurrection: the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, the first born of many brethren (Romans 8:29). We are buried with Him in death; we are raised with Him in Life (Colossians 2:12). 

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 NKJV)

 

Amen....I see what you're saying here.  However, Paul did not consider that he had yet attained to the first resurrection and he was a believer so already raised to life spiritually.  There is a way to look at these things spiritually, as well as in a literal sense.  It's not always a case of either/or.

 

[David1701]

5 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen....I see what you're saying here.  However, Paul did not consider that he had yet attained to the first resurrection and he was a believer so already raised to life spiritually.  There is a way to look at these things spiritually, as well as in a literal sense.  It's not always a case of either/or.

 

Paul was talking about his own, physical resurrection.  That is what he had not already attained.

Phil. 2:11,12 (MKJV)

  11 if by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead.
  12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect, but I am pressing on, if I may lay hold of that for which I also was taken hold of by Christ Jesus.

Paul, in verse 11, refers to the general resurrection of the dead, which happens when the Lord returns.

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen....I see what you're saying here.  However, Paul did not consider that he had yet attained to the first resurrection and he was a believer so already raised to life spiritually.  There is a way to look at these things spiritually, as well as in a literal sense.  It's not always a case of either/or.

 

David covered the portion about Paul well enough in his response. 

As to viewing things spiritually and in a literal sense, I have this to say:

The first resurrection was indeed literal for Jesus Christ, the Son of Man --- the second Adam come down from heaven --- rose from the dead. According to the same scriptures we are buried with Christ in death and then raised with Him in Life, which is spiritual. Therefore, we who were drawn to the Son by the Father do indeed have a part in the first resurrection for did we not join Him in death? Have we not been raised to Life by Him? The apostle of Jesus Christ affirms that we have. 

The confusion centers upon this body of dust --- that which was sown in corruption --- which will return to dust from whence it came. We believe the Living One who said we will never see death. This is what I heard when the Lord baptized me with His Spirit saying, You will never taste death. The scripture affirms that word I heard spoken from His mouth. 

This body of corruption is not the body which is resurrected, dear sister. We are raised incorruptible as Retrobyter pointed out in one of his posts. Our brother Roy is quite correct. It may be viewed the following way:

First the natural man, Adam, that body of dust sown in corruption. The first Adam was the natural man and this describes that body we inhabit on this earth. Adam returns to the dust from whence he came. 

Then the spiritual Man, the second Adam, a life-giving spirit come down from heaven. Jesus Christ is the second Adam, the Son of Man who was raised incorruptible, the first born of many brothers and sisters. He is the first resurrection.  

 

[Marathoner]

To tie it all together in a manner clearly at odds with the futurist viewpoint, we are affirmed to be a holy nation, a royal priesthood who are seated in the heavenly places with Jesus Christ. 

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 2:4-7)

The passage from Peter's first letter, a reference to us as the Third Temple and the holy priesthood:

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:4-5)

The harmony of the scriptures expressing the truth of our estate:

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 NKJV)

We are in Christ and with Him here and now; we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places and know that Christ is seated at the right hand of our Father upon His throne. The scripture testifies of these things as being the present reality in those who lives are hidden in Jesus Christ.

When we are born again --- no one may inherit the kingdom unless they are born again --- we are buried with Him in death and subsequently raised with Him in Life. This is our part in the first resurrection... we will never see death.


Therefore Revelation 20 describes us as we are now. Christ reigns and we reign with Him as His Body on earth.   

Edited April 11, 2021 by Marathoner
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[Keras]

5 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Armageddon will be a sword fest slaughter.  God's Ultimate Spoken WORD being the Sword itself.   Your CME introduction seems plausible to what Peter was discussing, but that is when the old Earth becomes purified and renewed like it originally was [SINLESS].

I was not referring to Armageddon. 

The Lord will send fire on His sudden and shocking Day of wrath. Amos 1, Malachi 4   It will be 'as in the days of Noah', another reset of our civilization. 

The earth does not become sinless until after the Millennium. Revelation 21

[Marathoner]

15 minutes ago, SONshine said:

Revelation 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

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Rev. 20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

@Marathoner  Greetings once again 

The overcomers, those who have stayed faithful to Christ, will take part in the first resurrection at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

There are two groups who sit upon the thrones:

The first group are the martyrs down through the ages, those who have been beheaded, killed or executed for the the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God. It will include the two witnesses also.  The second group are those of this final generation who have the seal of God in their foreheads and who overcome the beast.  
 

There was a time when I understood things in such a manner, too. We don't always have to agree. You know I won't argue.  

I'm blessed by the precious faith our Lord has bestowed upon you and this stands out above all else, @SONshine. You are by far one of the most pleasant siblings in Christ I have been honored to encounter on this earth. You're a shining jewel in His hand, dear sister. 

I know you don't foster a desire to argue either. The Lord never ceases working in us, does He? I certainly don't think I know everything... ha! Are you kidding? If the Lord told me to catch a plane at such and a time...

Well, I'd probably end up falling on the tarmac!  

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

David covered the portion about Paul well enough in his response. 

As to viewing things spiritually and in a literal sense, I have this to say:

 

 

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The first resurrection was indeed literal for Jesus Christ, the Son of Man --- the second Adam come down from heaven --- rose from the dead. According to the same scriptures we are buried with Christ in death and then raised with Him in Life, which is spiritual. Therefore, we who were drawn to the Son by the Father do indeed have a part in the first resurrection for did we not join Him in death? Have we not been raised to Life by Him? The apostle of Jesus Christ affirms that we have. 

The confusion centers upon this body of dust --- that which was sown in corruption --- which will return to dust from whence it came. We believe the Living One who said we will never see death. This is what I heard when the Lord baptized me with His Spirit saying, You will never taste death. The scripture affirms that word I heard spoken from His mouth. 

This body of corruption is not the body which is resurrected, dear sister. We are raised incorruptible as Retrobyter pointed out in one of his posts. Our brother Roy is quite correct. It may be viewed the following way:

First the natural man, Adam, that body of dust sown in corruption. The first Adam was the natural man and this describes that body we inhabit on this earth. Adam returns to the dust from whence he came. 

Then the spiritual Man, the second Adam, a life-giving spirit come down from heaven. Jesus Christ is the second Adam, the Son of Man who was raised incorruptible, the first born of many brothers and sisters. He is the first resurrection.  

 

We all going to die, there is no escape from death. 

What happened to Elijah to be abducted from Abraham it will never happen again to no one. 

The chances of that happening again is zero percent. 

Any chances of that happening again ended with Jesus Christ. 

From "dust to dust" is forever more without any exception. 

Elijah was not excepted, only he escaped that promise because he was taken from the earth before he died. 

Even Jesus Christ was subjected to this promise, but his Heavenly Father made it clear that what happened to Elijah won't happen to him and that he had to die on Cross.  

After his death when three days had pass Jesus was raised from the dead before his body show corruption. 

Like many other people who died and were raised from the dead, who escaped from the promise "from dust to dust" only for a while, till they died again and this time were also included to the promise "from dust to dust". 

A lot were burned or something else happened to them but all were included in the same promise " there is no way back", from the earth to the earth. 

Only Jesus Christ the Son of God was  the only exception to the rule "from dust to dust" because he was raised from the dead before his body see corruption and from that time on he was in an incorruptible body. 

He is not only the FIRST but he is only the LAST.  

Edited April 11, 2021 by Your closest friendnt