Anyone get vaccinated?

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

I'm back from my second shot. Nothing to report. It was uneventful thank God.

I had a 30 minute wait to see if there would be any reactions. None. 

I am apprehensive about the next 24 hours because a few of my friends reported feeling sick for a short time. We'll see. I hope I'm one of the fortunate ones.

If you got the Pfizer my first shot I had a headache, and then I was chilled for about an hour but when I woke up everything like vanished.

 

The second shot I was told would be twice the reaction.

 

Nothing!

 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

I'm back from my second shot. Nothing to report. It was uneventful thank God.

I had a 30 minute wait to see if there would be any reactions. None. 

I am apprehensive about the next 24 hours because a few of my friends reported feeling sick for a short time. We'll see. I hope I'm one of the fortunate ones.

If you got the Pfizer my first shot I had a headache, and then I was chilled for about an hour but when I woke up everything like vanished.

 

The second shot I was told would be twice the reaction.

 

Nothing!

 

 

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, just_abc said:

um.... Wookies howl?   

( ponders searching for somewhere to hide on worthy forums  )

hehe.. just kidding  @Starise  @Justin Adams

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On a different note.. some thoughts..

There are several different Covid vaccines that are used in countries around the world.. and not just the particular ones that are used in the Usa....  

There are also different types of Covid vaccines.  Some are um 'old fashioned' type vaccines ..not mRNA ones..

Since worthy is international.. and there are folk from different countries even on this thread.. I thought it might be helpful / interesting  to see a list of some of the different Covid vaccines that are possibly being used in some countries..

I came across this link (though not sure how comprehensive it might be though)  But I think it is interesting

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-pfizer-used-in-different-countries/100058960

 

Also this following link has info on some of the vaccines.. including a chart indicating what 'type' some of the different vaccines are.. (I am not sure how to post the chart alone.. if that is even possible.. so i am posting link to the article itself..  )

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55748124

 

(A small note.  The Indian covid vaccine Covaxin is apparently an 'old fashioned' type vaccine.. not an mRNA one.. )

Anyways just wanted to mentioned that.

Thanks.

 

 

The J&J is just the hollowed out Adeno virus, so it already has a spike protein.  The mRNA 'vaccines' constructs a spike protein.  No vaccines are supposed to have a spike protein.

The difference between the two types is akin to a programmer who writes a program to delete a file, versus a programmer who writes a program but asks Windows to delete the file on their program's behalf (via an API call).  In the end, both programs will delete the file, using different methods.

Both types of vaccines will alter DNA, in the end.  One cannot alter DNA but will build a tool that can alter it, and the other will just do the work because it can already do it.

The problem with the old style vaccines and Corona viruses specifically is something called antibody-dependent enhancement, which to have it, would be worse than death.  

We have already seen this happen with vaccines made in around 2002 for SARS-CoV-1, MERS, HIV, Zika, and dengue infection.  ADE wrecks the immune response and can cause massive inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storms every time the person is exposed to the real virus.  A person with ADE has antibodies, but they don't work and so they have no protection from the real virus.  People with ADE will never build immunity.  It's why they cancelled those vaccines in 2002.

[other one]

3 hours ago, Whyme said:

 have a nice day.

Is that the same as saying, "bless his/her/ your heart" in the south

[Whyme]

Just now, other one said:

Is that the same as saying, "bless his/her/ your heart" in the south

I dont know. (:

[other one]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

I'm back from my second shot. Nothing to report. It was uneventful thank God.

I had a 30 minute wait to see if there would be any reactions. None. 

I am apprehensive about the next 24 hours because a few of my friends reported feeling sick for a short time. We'll see. I hope I'm one of the fortunate ones.

Had my second shot March 3rd.  My wife and 5 or six of my friends had the vaccine that week and no one had any serious side effects....   No one grew extra appendages that they mentioned and no one died.   All had the Pfizer.

[one.opinion]

6 hours ago, Sparks said:

That was easy to disprove. 

There is a distinct difference between swelling (inflammation) and spasming (muscle contraction). Having said that, I should have considered the smooth muscle contraction in the walls of coronary arteries. On the flip side, you have not presented anything supporting the statement that the vaccine has caused heart attack by any sort of mechanism.

5 hours ago, Sparks said:

You might be confusing a vaccine with the gene therapy Covid 19 shots.

No, let's check out how the CDC defines a vaccine. 

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

As you see, although traditional vaccines involve introduction of part (or all) of a pathogen-specific antigen, the key to a vaccine is in the immune response, not the substance that directs the immune response. The Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines are just as much of a vaccine as the AstraZeneca.

Notably, all of these vaccines carry a miniscule risk compared to COVID. I'll repeat this point because it is important - you cannot think about this rationally and refuse the vaccine because of the risk.

[one.opinion]

5 hours ago, Still Alive said:

Define "minimize". 

By minimize, what I mean is having a normal visit with my parents, without masks, including hugs and sharing a meal, etc, while doing what I can to reduce the risk of exposing them to a deadly virus.

5 hours ago, Still Alive said:

That is, if you were in separate rooms with a glass wall between you, that would minimize it further. 

You are making a silly point to combat a pretty straightforward comment.

5 hours ago, Still Alive said:

I think that my mother is relatively safe by meeting with me face to face. The price paid by wearing a mask or putting a barrier between us is too high - especially considering just how much improvement in safety (virtually none) that it brings. 

Relatively, sure. That relative risk would be even lower if you were vaccinated.

5 hours ago, Still Alive said:

Destroying quality of life to "perhaps" increase it a few months or days is not a good tradeoff IMO, especially considering Paul's quote. 

Then why would you possibly NOT want to get a vaccine? The CDC still recommends a few precautions until all parties are fully vaccinated, but that's the whole point of the vaccine - to help us bring life closer to the way we used to experience it. The only issue with vaccination is that there are way too many people that are either apathetic or anti-vax. The more people delay/avoid vaccination, the longer this pandemic will last and the more disease, suffering, and death will occur.

I'm not saying we should fear death. Personally, I'm looking very much forward to the next life! However, I do not want to contribute in any way to the illness, suffering, or death of anyone else. I'm fully vaccinated more because I can care for others that way, rather than the personal benefit to myself.

6 hours ago, Still Alive said:

If I thought they actually helped, I'd feel differently.

Do you have any sort of reason for this opinion, or is it basically just intuition? Most people have been very willing to wear masks this year and check out what happened to the flu (in red). Flu cases dropped like a lead balloon once people started wearing masks and have not yet picked back up again. MASKS. WORK. Again, if you want to move on to life after mask-wearing then great, go get vaccinated and encourage others to do the same. Herd immunity only works when a high majority (we don't know what that number is for this novel pathogen) of the herd actually acquires immunity.

6 hours ago, Still Alive said:

However, there are real risks, but not from the virus: Breast-fed Baby passes away after being poisoned by Mother who had taken the Pfizer Covid Vaccine

I won't even bother arguing with the conspiracy theories. The honest truth is that there have been adverse reactions. However, the rate of these incidents is something along the order of 5 in 1,000,000 vaccinations. The risk of the virus is much greater. You cannot think about this rationally and refuse the vaccine because of the risk.

[one.opinion]

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

The J&J is just the hollowed out Adeno virus, so it already has a spike protein.  The mRNA 'vaccines' constructs a spike protein.  No vaccines are supposed to have a spike protein.

The J&J uses the adenovirus to introduce DNA that encodes the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The adenovirus spike protein IS NOT the agent that elicits the development of immunity. 

Spike proteins are very common on viruses and typically initiate binding to a target cell at the beginning of a viral replication cycle. Some vaccines, like the traditional flu vaccine, do target one of these binding-type proteins. The spike protein equivalent on the influenza virus is called hemagglutinin.

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

Both types of vaccines will alter DNA, in the end.

This is false. No vaccines work by altering the DNA of the recipient. Vaccines work by introducing a target for the host immune system to build a response to. Traditionally, this has been done by direct introduction of a specific antigen. The new mRNA vaccines do this indirectly - essentially introducing a recipe for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Human cells are then able to make the protein and initiate an immune response to it. That way, the body is already prepared to fight off the virus, should it be encountered.

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

We have already seen this happen with vaccines made in around 2002 for SARS-CoV-1, MERS, HIV, Zika, and dengue infection.  ADE wrecks the immune response and can cause massive inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storms every time the person is exposed to the real virus.  A person with ADE has antibodies, but they don't work and so they have no protection from the real virus.  People with ADE will never build immunity.  It's why they cancelled those vaccines in 2002.

ADE has been a problem and related safety issues did stop trials for vaccines against dengue and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). However, this has not been an issue with the current COVID vaccine. It is true that there have been bad reactions to the vaccines, that is indisputable. However, the incidents are extremely rare and present an extremely limited risk compared to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. You cannot think about this rationally and refuse the vaccine because of the risk.

[Sparks]

10 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

The J&J uses the adenovirus to introduce DNA that encodes the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The adenovirus spike protein IS NOT the agent that elicits the development of immunity.

It is what will change your DNA.   Vaccines are supposed to be antigens, and water.  Antigens from bacteria and viruses are not active.  A virus is active.  Huge difference.

Nice chatting with you.