As in the Days of Noe.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

4 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

You are arguing against scripture....I offer it yet again...

Heb_9:16  For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb_9:17  For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

You can not impart to others before the death of Christ something that had no strength or effectiveness. It had no effect until His death therefore it was not effectual for them before His death.

Rom_16:25  Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Eph_3:4  Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph_3:9  And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col_1:27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Do not fear for them before His death because Christ descended to the lower parts of the earth were they were held in bondage until the mystery of Christ was revealed to set the captives free by His gospel. 

Eph 4:9  (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 
Eph 4:10  He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 

You are talking in Circles, literally!

Both Testaments are of Christ.   The Death took place at the Cross, but it became retroactive back to Adam like it is currently retroactive into the Future.

And all you are doing is talking in Circles and making No Sense.   I want Proofs of Works by humans [like you want us to believe] because the only proofs of Work you CAN provide are by what we already know, the WORKS done by God!

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Sorry and thank you for bringing this to my attention, need to learn to reread my posts like I am sobody else and asked my self...one moment what this guy wants to say? And edit or correct the post. 

You and me both. 

But here's my problem.  When I do re read to fix mistakes, it ends up getting longer and longer, so when I know it is already too long I just leave the mistakes. So depending on the situation, I chose between mistakes and length.  Can't have it both ways it seems.  Thank you for letting me know.  I thought about for just a little bit and made myself quit knowing I would just make myself crazy trying to figure it out.  Yea.   d  

[DeighAnn]

25 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

 I want Proofs of Works by humans [like you want us to believe] because the only proofs of Work you CAN provide are by what we already know, the WORKS done by God!

The works done by God are already completed, yes?  or  no?  

The works done by humans are the ones we do to spread the gospel. The Charity we do.  The taking care of the old and the widow.  The standing, overcoming, enduring to the end etc. ....... 

I am sure that you don't believe the Holy Spirit  does all the works Himself do you?  

Because here is the OUT COME of such a belief.  

Judgment day everyone walks up to their Judgment to find out how well the Holy Spirit worked within you.  Some people the Holy Spirit tore it up in and they get to be vessels of gold unto honor GREAT REWARDS FOR THEM.  The next guy walks up and the Holy Spirit just didn't feel like doing much at all through this guy so this guy gets very little rewards and is a vessel of wood unto dishonor, poor dude to have had the Holy Spirit only on totally down days.  He is walking away thinking THAT ISN'T JUST IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.  AT least if He could have had something to do with it He would have gone whole hog and WON the race.  Too bad for him.  And of course, Just another boring day judging Himself over and over and over and over and over again.  No, our works are all we can take with us and THEY ARE OURS.  BUT if you follow the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit your works don't feel like work at all.  They just feel good and bring you and your neighbor and brethren joy and peace and good will and it's just life cause you are walking holy and righteous and even perfect sometimes.  

Now that I have written all this out I am PROBABLY ever so wrong so I am just going to Apologize RIGHT NOW for assuming such a thing.  I am sorry and I hope you don't mind me leaving this here.  I thought I felt inspired when maybe all I felt was tired.  So again sorry and good night.   d

 

[Retrobyter]

On 11/13/2021 at 9:59 AM, Josheb said:

Salvation is not, never has been, and never will be by works. A god who can be reached by finite human effort is not a God. Logic alone should preclude everyone from ever thinking works could or ever would save. 

If righteousness could come from the law, or any law for that matter, then Jesus died needlessly (Gal. 2:21). Paul makes it very clear salvation is by grace and if by grace then no longer by works (Rom. 11:6). Seeking to be justified by the law is evidence one has fallen from grace! not the other way around (Gal. 5:4). No law has been given which can impart life (Gal. 3:21).  

 

@Retrobyter, @AandW_Rootbeer, do you recall what we were discussing about the works-based soteriology of Dispensationalism? There it is. 

Hi, Josheb.

Actually, the problem is found in equating the physical acts with the "seeking to be justified by the Law." That's an assumed equivalence that is not truly equal. All three of us (and others, too, I'm sure) know that God doesn't  judge righteousness by anything we can do. So, rest assured that God is smarter than we are and knows all about how to call us "justified" and "righteous."

So, GIVEN that we are justified by God outside of the deeds of the Law, a satisfied requirement by God, when God then demands that a Temple be constructed and operated in the way that is described in Ezekiel 39-44 (which has yet to happen), then we have no choice but to believe that the Temple and its activities after the Messiah has returned are not related to how God justifies an individual nor about one being righteous or even being declared "righteous." Instead, one must look to the other reasons for qorbanowt (sacrifices), namely for thanksgiving, for feeding the Levi'iym, and for feasts. God loves a sweet savor! He loves the scent of a good barbecue! Some of His feasts were solemn occasions, times to reflect and repent, but other feasts were just good ol' parties, meant to be enjoyed by the participants!

On 11/13/2021 at 9:59 AM, Josheb said:

No, Noah was saved by grace, through faith. Having been chosen by God beforehand, he built an ark in obedience to the God Who saved him. 

Salvation is not and has never been saved-by-works-for-grace-to-have-faith. Neither has it ever been faith-in-works-for-grace. Nor has it ever been works-demonstrating-faith-to-receive-grace. We are saved by grace through faith and it is NOT of ourselves. Having been saved by grace through faith were are created in Christ for good works that God had already planned for us to perform before He saved us. 

BY grace.
THROUGH faith. 
FOR works. 

That is the prescribed order. 

The English words aside, the prepositions used with these words are not that important. What is important is the meaning of each of these words, "grace," "faith," and "works." While the prepositions provide additional information, we don't worship the prepositions. They're not "locked in stone." The word "by," for instance, in Ephesians 2:8's "by grace" is bound in the ending of the Greek word "chariti," a form (dative, feminine, singular noun) of "charis" meaning "grace" or "kindness." I've heard it defined as "unmerited favor." In context, it means "by grace," but in other passages, like Colossians 4:6, it's translated as "with grace." 2 Timothy 2:1 the word used with "en" is translated "in the grace."

Ephesians 2:8 also uses the Greek word "dia" with the word for "faith" usually meaning "through," but "dia" can have other meanings based on context, such as "on account of" or "because of." Those would not be rendered wrongly here. Think about it: "because of faith" or "on account of faith."

The KJV says that "epi" in verse 10, used with "good works," was translated as "unto good works." The English Standard Version, the New King James Version, and the New American Standard Version all translate this to "for good works." But, the word "epi" usually means "on" or "upon" or "above."

All I'm saying is that one should not get hung up on the prepositions. It's GOD'S grace given to us; we trust (have faith) in GOD; and "the end result of the work of GOD'S Holy Spirit within us that enables us to do good works.

On 11/13/2021 at 9:59 AM, Josheb said:

Ephesians 2:4-10
"But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,  even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),  and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,  so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.  For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;  not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." 

 

BY grace.
THROUGH faith. 
FOR works. 

That is the prescribed order.  

There's not a single individual in the entire Bible that came to God for salvation not already enabled by God for that purpose. No on seeks God; no one does good (Ps. 14:3, 53:2; Rom. 3:10-11). God is THE initiator of every covenant between God and man. God's  mercy does not depend on the will or the works of a man; it is dependent solely on God's will and purpose (Rom. 9). 

 

 

The fact remains: in the days of Noah the ones who remained were those who went on to live in a covenant relationship with God. It was those taken away that were destroyed. Matthew 24 and Luke 17 are not rapture texts. 

This is absolutely true.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

Both Testaments are of Christ.   The Death took place at the Cross, but it became retroactive back to Adam like it is currently retroactive into the Future.

Jesus Christ died for all, one Savior for all, from the first man to died the righteous Abel for all the people inclusive every one till the death of Jesus to everyone who lived at the time and for everyone not yet born.

I think we are saying the same things in a deferent way when it comes to the main point.

That God has provide only one Savior for the whole world and everyone needs to believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. 

Jesus played was punished for everyone sins, but every one is not Saved for the condemnation of his sins unless he believes that Jesus Christ died for his sins.

From that time on, that individual is under the Blood of Jesus Christ. While he lives he may or he will sin again and his sins must be recognized and acknowledged we must admit to our sins while we live as believers in Jesus Christ in that the Holy Spirit is helping us to correctly identify our "sin" and also is helping us to grow out over an ultra sensitive conscience to sin.

Thinking that we have sin when we have not sin.

Man some times can be a machine manufacturing sins

(and some preachers often help in that)

because we have figure out how to confess. 

As believers we have our own individual righteousness evaluate by our selves and others and we also have our own responsibility evaluated by what Jesus Christ has asked us to walk in this life which is ever changing according to a lot of variables, a very individual and very distinct walk with him taylor's specialty by the Lord for each and everyone of us. 

And we also stand in his righteousness found blameless because he is blameless. We also are in his Inheritance because we are in him and we are not in our sins. Or our sins can not condemn us when we died we are under in him because we believe in him. 

Then how can we believe and not be in our sins when we died if Jesus did not died first and how can we believe after Jesus Christ death unless someone preach to us about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

When everything was in place that was the time Jesus Christ Comission his disciples to go to the whole world which includes that he died for the sins of the whole world. 

Jesus Christ he send them not to the Jews around the world but he send them to inclusive everyone. 

Jesus Christ did not send to those who had died before him "to the dead" of the world or to the dead of God's family according to Abraham and the people of God who were gathered to Abraham. Who were separated from the dead of the world because they were still alive to God. 

God was their God not only while they lived but he continued to be their God after their death even though they were separated from him, even in life they were separated from him they could not be one with him in the old. 

We said that Jesus did not send his disciples to go to the place of the dead to preach the Gospel because that was his mission to preach the Gospel to the dead to all who had died before him beginning with Abraham and everyone who was there waiting for him. 

This is what was foretold and that what happened for three days Jesus Christ preach the Gospel to the dead.

If you can figure out what happened when the dead believed as they without their bodies Jesus invited them to believe in him for the forgiveness of their sins. 

They were saved by believing in him alone for it was impossible for them to do any works. It is one way to be saved for everyone in the same way by faith alone without any works because we are saved the moment we believe. 

[Justin Adams]

7 hours ago, The Light said:

Who teaches you guys this stuff.

It is called independent study. Maybe try it sometime yourself... 

NOT DOCTRINE from xyz pulpit pounders and seminaries that are steeped in Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Darby, Scofield et al.

[AnOrangeCat]

9 hours ago, Bawb said:

Yes brother, yes! I believe you have hit the nail right on the head! They have "humanized mice", Elon Musk is bound and determined to put a chip into someone's head. He's already done it to a video game playing monkey. For all we know he may even have one in his head.

This sort of thing is definitely further along than most realize. An interesting and frightening development is that they've actually made a new form of life in a lab. Do a Google search for xenobots. They're grown from frog cells and spliced with machines to become a programmable sort of life. It's scary to think of what corrupt worldly governments will do with this when the technology is further down the line some 20 or 30 years from now.

[The Light]

5 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

It is called independent study. Maybe try it sometime yourself... 

NOT DOCTRINE from xyz pulpit pounders and seminaries that are steeped in Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Darby, Scofield et al.

Great. I'm all for independent study.

Now use some of that independent study and tell me when the abomination of desolation was set up that Daniel spoke of.

Matt 24

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

[Justin Adams]

20 minutes ago, The Light said:

Matt 24

Read the Luke account it is more accurate.

[Bawb]

5 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

This sort of thing is definitely further along than most realize. An interesting and frightening development is that they've actually made a new form of life in a lab. Do a Google search for xenobots. They're grown from frog cells and spliced with machines to become a programmable sort of life. It's scary to think of what corrupt worldly governments will do with this when the technology is further down the line some 20 or 30 years from now.

The way things are going, I believe Yeshua's kingdom will be here by then. I don't see this world not flinging itself apart within the next 5 years. But only time will reveal the truth...