Russia Preparing for War.

[Retrobyter]

14 hours ago, teddyv said:

Some volcanoes have probably built up in a thousand years. But mountains like the Rockies, Appalachians,  Alps or Himalayas built up over a long time.

Shalom, teddyv.

OR, so we've been told! Actually, most of the mountain chains we now have were formed in the few years following the global Flood during Noach's time.

A Scripture verse most don't understand can explain this:

Psalm 104:5-9 (KJV)

5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

This passage is about the Flood, and verse 8 in Hebrew reads:

יַעֲל֣וּ הָ֭רִים יֵרְד֣וּ בְקָעֹ֑ות אֶל־מְ֝קֹ֗ום זֶ֤ה ׀ יָסַ֬דְתָּ לָהֶֽם׃

The transliteration of this verse is:

8 Ya`luw haariym yeerduw bqaa`owt el-mqowm zeh | yaacadtaa laahem:

Translated word-for-word it becomes:

8 Went-up the-mountains went-down in-valleys to-a-place which You-founded for-them:

Verbs in Hebrew are usually placed before the nouns that act as a subject in the sentence. Direct objects are prefaced by the word "et" (spelled alef-tav). Therefore, "the mountains" is the subject and they "went up!" They also "went down in valleys" until they got down to the place where YHWH God founded for them.

This passage is about the aftermath of the Flood:

5 The foundations of the land were laid so they wouldn't be removed ever.
6 However, the land was completely covered with water; they even stood above what mountains were there!
7 When God "bawled them out," the waters drained away; at the vibration of His voice, the waters soaked into the ground!
8 The mountains rose and pushed down into the valleys (a see-saw effect) to a place where God had decided they would go.
9 God set a boundary that the waters could never pass over again, these would be the continental shelves, and they (the waters) would never cover the earth again.

If one will notice, the mountains have been built at approximately the same distance inland from the shore as the continental shelves are out in the water from the shore. And, the highest mountains seem to have been formed when the continental peninsula which is India "snapped" into its current position from a once-more-southerly position. This seems to have happened during the days of `EeVer ("Eber") and Peleg, whose name means "earthquake":

Genesis 10:25 (KJV)

25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg ("earthquake"); for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

`EeVer, spelled "`ayin-vet-reish," is the source of the word `IyVrit, spelled "`ayin-yod-vet-reish-tav," translated as "Hebrew," which means "a region beyond." Lexicons and dictionaries say that it means a "region beyond" the Jordan River, but THIS MAKES NO SENSE since his great-great-great-grandson Terah took his family, including AVram ("Abram"), `EeVer's great-great-great-great-grandson, to Haran for the first time!

Since `EeVer's great-grandfather was Shem, who went through the Flood, landed on Mount Ararat in Turkey, and migrated southeast into the Tigris-Euphrates land known as Mesopotamia, Terah or AVram was probably the first in the family to have SEEN the Jordan River! `EeVer, named by his father, Salah, was in Mesopotamia, either in or traveling to Ur! 

FLOOD (in 2348 B.C.)
Shem 2 years after the FLOOD begat Arphaxad;
Arphaxad 35 years after he was born begat Salah;
Salah 30 years after he was born begat `EeVer; and
`EeVer 34 years after he was born begat Peleg (when the Earthquake happened).

So, 101 years after the FLOOD, this Earthquake happened.

Peleg 30 years after he was born begat Reu;
Reu 32 years after he was born begat Serug;
Serug 30 years after he was born begat Nahor;
Nahor 29 years after he was born begat Terah; and
Terah 70 years after he was born begat AVram ("Abram"), and he moved with his family to Haran in what is now Syria. He MAY have been the first to see the Jordan River, although his son, AVram, told by God to leave his father's family, and his own family (and nephew) were the first to actually go into what is now the Land of Israel, traveling from Haran.

So, `EeVer was probably more named for the "region beyond" the EUPHRATES RIVER from the trek from Mount Ararat, and may signal when Salah first moved into the land of Mesopotamia!

Edited February 5, 2022 by Retrobyter
to add a detail

[Marilyn C]

https://www.rt.com/russia/548286-ships-drills-navy-port/

 

Six large Russian Navy amphibious ships have arrived at Syria’s port of Tartus after completing a European passage of 6,000 nautical miles (more than 11,000 kilometers). 

On arrival at Tartus, which has served as the logistics support point for the Russian Navy since Soviet times, the ships began to replenish stocks with necessary supplies before carrying on with their duties, the ministry said.

Large amphibious ships are designed to make landfall on unequipped coastlines, carrying troops and cargo by sea. They are also capable of transporting various types of armored vehicles.

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

In today's modern warfare the claim that wooden, Shields, Bows, Arrows, Spears, would be used in battle today?

That claim would make santa claus and the tooth fairy blush 

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

One can't assume what conditions will be like during this war. We try to make sense of prophecy based on what we know, experience and education. I'm betting nothing we have seen or heard comes close to the fulfilling of end of the age prophecy.

So it probably won't be anything like modern war. But here's a crazy sounding prophecy and a few calcs.

"And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles. - New American Standard Version (1995)" Rev 14

It's maybe a bit morbid to dig into this but the numbers are staggering and incomprehensible to us. If this prophecy is to play out exactly as written and literal blood will be as deep and the horses bridles for 200 miles then we have something happening beyond any experience of any person.

Let's say horse's bridles are 4'. Let's say 4' deep in the Jordan is about 200 yds wide on average. In 200 miles that's 2.5 billion cubic feet. If it's all human blood that would equal 12 billion people. If it's equal amounts of horses and people that would be 1.4 billion horse and rider units. 

Staggering and impossible seeing as how there are an estimated 60 million horses in the world today.

I guess we could shrug it off as allegory, this blood 4' deep in the Jordan for 200 miles. That would fix the problem. 

The fact is there's no indication it is allegory, parable, simile or metaphor. Then it is an event that will come to pass and it's well beyond our understanding how it will manifest.

 

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

One can't assume what conditions will be like during this war. We try to make sense of prophecy based on what we know, experience and education. I'm betting nothing we have seen or heard comes close to the fulfilling of end of the age prophecy.

So it probably won't be anything like modern war. But here's a crazy sounding prophecy and a few calcs.

"And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles. - New American Standard Version (1995)" Rev 14

It's maybe a bit morbid to dig into this but the numbers are staggering and incomprehensible to us. If this prophecy is to play out exactly as written and literal blood will be as deep and the horses bridles for 200 miles then we have something happening beyond any experience of any person.

Let's say horse's bridles are 4'. Let's say 4' deep in the Jordan is about 200 yds wide on average. In 200 miles that's 2.5 billion cubic feet. If it's all human blood that would equal 12 billion people. If it's equal amounts of horses and people that would be 1.4 billion horse and rider units. 

Staggering and impossible seeing as how there are an estimated 60 million horses in the world today.

I guess we could shrug it off as allegory, this blood 4' deep in the Jordan for 200 miles. That would fix the problem. 

The fact is there's no indication it is allegory, parable, simile or metaphor. Then it is an event that will come to pass and it's well beyond our understanding how it will manifest.

 

Thats where we disagree

its not what the war "Will Be Like" but what the war "Has Been Like"

You can't take what's seen and change it, as the scripture clearly identifies a historical war, with wooden weapons of warfare, Shields, Bows, Arrows, and Spears, that were burned long ago

There isn't a future war seen, but a historical war that has been fought

To suggest that today's modern warfare will see these historical wooden weapons on the battle field? 

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Ezekiel 39:9-10 clearly teaches the battle seen below is "Historical" with wooden weapons , Shields, Bows, Arrows, Spears, these weapons were burnt in the fires of Israel long ago

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by truth7t7

[Diaste]

4 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Thats where we disagree

its not what the war "Will Be Like" but what the war "Has Been Like"

You can't take what's seen and change it, as the scripture clearly identifies a historical war, with wooden weapons of warfare, Shields, Bows, Arrows, and Spears, that were burned long ago

There isn't a future war seen, but a historical war that has been fought

To suggest that today's modern warfare will see these historical wooden weapons is far fetched to say the least

 

Okay. Then where is the evidence such a war was fought with those weapons, and Israel burned those weapons for 7 years, and took no wood from the forest nor cut down any tree, for those 7 years?

And the army has to come from the far north, fall on the mountains of Israel, be eaten by bird and beast, fall on the open  field; and fire sent to the coastlands and then the burning of the weapons and during the burning of the weapons Israel buries the rest of the bodies and bones for 7 months.

 

Must be some biblical reference. Maybe some historical reference? Something.

 

[Last Daze]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

I guess we could shrug it off as allegory, this blood 4' deep in the Jordan for 200 miles. That would fix the problem. 

The fact is there's no indication it is allegory, parable, simile or metaphor. Then it is an event that will come to pass and it's well beyond our understanding how it will manifest.

Interesting calculations.  I see the 100 pound hailstones figuring in too as they melt and carry rivers of diluted blood for miles.  Just a thought.

[Diaste]

4 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Interesting calculations.  I see the 100 pound hailstones figuring in too as they melt and carry rivers of diluted blood for miles.  Just a thought.

I mean, I don't KNOW. It just seems so outrageous to think about. No matter how you look at it, that's a lot of blood. Blows my mind. 

The other thing is the speed at which it has to occur.

Maybe it is just the Jordan turned red with blood. 

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Okay. Then where is the evidence such a war was fought with those weapons, and Israel burned those weapons for 7 years, and took no wood from the forest nor cut down any tree, for those 7 years?

And the army has to come from the far north, fall on the mountains of Israel, be eaten by bird and beast, fall on the open  field; and fire sent to the coastlands and then the burning of the weapons and during the burning of the weapons Israel buries the rest of the bodies and bones for 7 months.

 

Must be some biblical reference. Maybe some historical reference? Something.

 

No need for other biblical reference or world history books, the scripture is very clear and in context

The battle in Ezekiel 39 was fought around the time of the Babylonian Captivity, historical long ago

The scripture clearly teaches Israel went into "Captivity" and the Lord will bring again the "Captivity" of Jacob, Israel will return from the Babylonian Captivity, simple, clear, and before your eyes

Wooden Weapons + Babylonian Captivity = Historical

Ezekiel 39:23-25KJV

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Jeremiah 46:26-27KJV

26 And I will deliver them into the hand of those that seek their lives, and into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of his servants: and afterward it shall be inhabited, as in the days of old, saith the Lord.

27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.

Edited February 6, 2022 by truth7t7

[existential mabel]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

https://www.rt.com/russia/548286-ships-drills-navy-port/

 

Six large Russian Navy amphibious ships have arrived at Syria’s port of Tartus after completing a European passage of 6,000 nautical miles (more than 11,000 kilometers). 

On arrival at Tartus, which has served as the logistics support point for the Russian Navy since Soviet times, the ships began to replenish stocks with necessary supplies before carrying on with their duties, the ministry said.

Large amphibious ships are designed to make landfall on unequipped coastlines, carrying troops and cargo by sea. They are also capable of transporting various types of armored vehicles.

Russia getting busier also the ground is hardening up which will  help with other equipment. now the prophecy of the  dry river Euphrates that must be in the other war (Armageddon) after this one

[existential mabel]

i thought the blood that passed the horses bridle was in Armageddon and not in the soon to be Russian War.