Hell

[Jedi4Yahweh]

5 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

Neither of those quotes about PEOPLE but the devil and the false prophet...you are trying to cross a gap between people and the devil and his angels that has no bridge

No it says and THEM that worshipped his image.  This is referring to people.

Rev 19:20 KJV - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Your saying there is no bridge. Jesus makes this connection as well, that people will be going to the same place that was intended and prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mat 25:41, 46 KJV - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

If the fire and punishment is just temporary being that at some point you will cease to exit then why did Jesus bother to mention that its everlasting punishment and eternal fire?  Why not just say they were punished and cast in a fire and consumed.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Riverwalker]

58 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

No it says and THEM that worshipped his image.  This is referring to people.

Rev 19:20 KJV - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Your saying there is no bridge. Jesus makes this connection as well, that people will be going to the same place that was intended and prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mat 25:41, 46 KJV - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Again everlasting punishment is the second death

And it is saying that the devil and the false prophet deceived THEM

The BOTH referring to the devil and the false prophet....who suffer eternally because they cannot meet the second death

and the hamster wheel spins

 

[Your closest friendnt]

 

16 hours ago, Hobie_ said:

The eternal fire burns up eternally, so the wicked will die, or cease to exist, forever. Even Satan, the cause of evil, is finally consumed along with his minions.

Then we will be free to do whatever we want. 

And we will not need the Holy Spirit, because we have the books of wisdom. 

And we will not need anymore "TO TEST THE SPIRITS".

A world without the Devil and with the knowledge of good and bad.

And with the knowledge of the Chronicles of the Devil and his biography. 

But the craftiness of man still will be around.

What kind of world would that be?

The kind of world that the people will start praying to God to bring the Devil back to Life and into our world. 

But the God of the dead was always around.

I did not say to bring back the God of the dead, because he was always around and he will always be around.  

[DeighAnn]

22 hours ago, Hobie_ said:

"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly." 2 Peter 2:6.

Something you might want to add.  You have to be alive to me tormented forever...that isn't death, that is torture, that is not of GOD.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

The lake of fire was of the former things.  

I CAN'T imagine anything a human could do that would require burning forever.  God is a CONSUMING fire.   

2654. katanaliskó ►
Strong's Concordance
katanaliskó: to use up
Original Word: καταναλίσκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katanaliskó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-an-al-is'-ko)
Definition: to use up
Usage: I use up, spend, consume (as with fire).
HELPS Word-studies
2654 katanalískō (from 2596 /katá, "down, according to," intensifying 355 /analískō, "consume") – properly, consume all the way ("up to down"), i.e. exactly (decisively, conclusively). 2654 (katanalískō) means "to consume utterly, wholly (kata, intensive)" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 125) and only occurs in Heb 12:29.

 

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

2654. katanaliskó ►
Strong's Concordance
katanaliskó: to use up
Original Word: καταναλίσκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katanaliskó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-an-al-is'-ko)
Definition: to use up
Usage: I use up, spend, consume (as with fire).
HELPS Word-studies
2654 katanalískō (from 2596 /katá, "down, according to," intensifying 355 /analískō, "consume") – properly, consume all the way ("up to down"), i.e. exactly (decisively, conclusively). 2654 (katanalískō) means "to consume utterly, wholly (kata, intensive)" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 125) and only occurs in Heb 12:29.

Just found some of this interesting


ETERNAL
166. aiónios ►
Strong's Concordance
aiónios: agelong, eternal
Original Word: αἰώνιος, ία, ιον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: aiónios
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-o'-nee-os)
Definition: agelong, eternal
Usage: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 166 aiṓnios (an adjective, derived from 165 /aiṓn ("an age, having a particular character and quality") – properly, "age-like" ("like-an-age"), i.e. an "age-characteristic" (the quality describing a particular age); (figuratively) the unique quality (reality) of God's life at work in the believer, i.e. as the Lord manifests His self-existent life (as it is in His sinless abode of heaven). "Eternal (166 /aiṓnios) life operates simultaneously outside of time, inside of time, and beyond time – i.e. what gives time its everlasting meaning for the believer through faith, yet is also time-independent. See 165 (aiōn).

[166 (aiṓnios) does not focus on the future per se, but rather on the quality of the age (165 /aiṓn) it relates to. Thus believers live in "eternal (166 /aiṓnios) life" right now, experiencing this quality of God's life now as a present possession. (Note the Gk present tense of having eternal life in Jn 3:36, 5:24, 6:47; cf. Ro 6:23.)]

 

EVERLASTING
5769. olam ►
Strong's Concordance
olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity
Original Word: עוֹלָם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Definition: long duration, antiquity, futurity

always, ancient time, any more, continuance, eternal, for, everlasting, long time,
Or lolam {o-lawm'}; from alam; properly, concealed, i.e. The vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always -- alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-))ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare netsach, ad.



Forever
5331. netsach ►
Strong's Concordance
netsach: eminence, enduring, everlastingness, perpetuity
Original Word: נֶצַח
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: netsach
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-tsakh)
Definition: eminence, enduring, everlastingness, perpetuity 

[Hobie_]

On 1/27/2022 at 11:28 AM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

No, the second death is not annihilation.   Check out the following scriptures:

Rev 19:20 KJV - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 KJV - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Lake of Fire is not annihilation but eternal torment.  Says they were cast alive into the lake of fire to be tormented forever.

Well, I found the tread I had on this issue, if you would like to take the discussion there... 

 

[TheBlade]

Have to forgive me.. worthychristianforums.. then to see how some are treated and we don't blind a eye...praise God. 

In Rev we know no believer will fall or give in and worship then take the mark for just before whats written we find those (US) whos names are in the Lambs book from the foundation of the world will not worship the beast. The reason they are lost forever those that worship and take the mark they know that they know that they know GOD is real and they are saying no to Him and yes to Satan and the false prophet and Antichrist. Lol I don't see anyone lost because they went to the wrong Church or believed the wrong doctrine. Since most of us know duh we have the real truth we try to get people to see understand that truth they can't see right? HAHA

Most are blind and being blind you would have no sin you say you see your sin remains. So Hell(forgive me Father) in Rev all those against God tossed in forever and ever. If thats not true then believers will not as Rev also says live forever and ever. In this case they are the same. Both are forever and ever. We get no say in it God is the best judge there is HE already took away the sin of the world. Not something I ever really think about.. I trust Him. What ever He does it will be just. 

[Hobie_]

On 1/28/2022 at 6:57 AM, DeighAnn said:

Something you might want to add.  You have to be alive to me tormented forever...that isn't death, that is torture, that is not of GOD.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

The lake of fire was of the former things.  

I CAN'T imagine anything a human could do that would require burning forever.  God is a CONSUMING fire.   

2654. katanaliskó ►
Strong's Concordance
katanaliskó: to use up
Original Word: καταναλίσκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katanaliskó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-an-al-is'-ko)
Definition: to use up
Usage: I use up, spend, consume (as with fire).
HELPS Word-studies
2654 katanalískō (from 2596 /katá, "down, according to," intensifying 355 /analískō, "consume") – properly, consume all the way ("up to down"), i.e. exactly (decisively, conclusively). 2654 (katanalískō) means "to consume utterly, wholly (kata, intensive)" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 125) and only occurs in Heb 12:29.

 

Didnt ever think of it being included in the former things, but thats true...

[RV_Wizard]

On 1/22/2022 at 8:59 AM, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

This has been on my mind for a while...if God is everywhere, if God created a hell, wouldn’t he be there as well?

Darkness is the absence of light.  Cold is the absence of heat.  Evil is the absence of good.  Hell is the absence of God.  Not all who die unsaved will go there.  He who is outside of the law will be judged outside of the law.  Many will be consumed in the fire; the second death.  Hell is for those who know of Christ and reject Him, and for those whose sins are such an abomination eternal damnation is well deserved.

[Starise]

On 1/30/2022 at 5:38 PM, TheBlade said:

What ever He does it will be just.